BF3 CPU bottleneck? Really?

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moonbogg

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Looks like you would benfit from upgrading to socket 2011.

Have you seen a comparison in BF3 multiplayer with one of those $600.00 CPUs? Thats a lot to spend (for me) on a CPU if it isn't going to make a big difference. Oh hell, who am I kidding. I am sticking with my 2600K. I'm done with this thread unless someone posts some 3930k numbers.
 

skipsneeky2

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Have you seen a comparison in BF3 multiplayer with one of those $600.00 CPUs? Thats a lot to spend (for me) on a CPU if it isn't going to make a big difference. Oh hell, who am I kidding. I am sticking with my 2600K. I'm done with this thread unless someone posts some 3930k numbers.

The beauty of the situation is that like me,you got this uber gpu set up that runs fine but shows this bottleneck only a i7 3930k or a next generation processor could really help you out with,me it excites me knowing the hemi has a limiter chip right now and now we have to do these extreme overclocks or consider a whole platform to open it up more,so its batsh*t crazy.

Welcome to the highend complication red zone!
 

oddlyinsane

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I just wanted to know: I am planning to get a 7850. But i dont know what processor to get. I first thought a core i5 3450 is enough but reading this thread i think it is not enough for BF3 multiplayer.

But i want to make sure. Would a 3450 be enough or would a 2500k overclocked yield me better minumum and/or better fps overall?

Plus, i will be willing to overclock 7850 to 7950 levels so yeh.

Regards

Edit: BTW is this bottlenecking mainly because of the SLI or BF3 MP in general?
 
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SickBeast

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I just wanted to know: I am planning to get a 7850. But i dont know what processor to get. I first thought a core i5 3450 is enough but reading this thread i think it is not enough for BF3 multiplayer.

But i want to make sure. Would a 3450 be enough or would a 2500k overclocked yield me better minumum and/or better fps overall?

Plus, i will be willing to overclock 7850 to 7950 levels so yeh.

Regards

Edit: BTW is this bottlenecking mainly because of the SLI or BF3 MP in general?
If you care about BF3 multiplayer, without question get at least a 2500k or a 3750k or whatever the Ivy one is called.

Think about it; a 2500k at 4.5ghz is 36% faster than one at stock.
 

oddlyinsane

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If you care about BF3 multiplayer, without question get at least a 2500k or a 3750k or whatever the Ivy one is called.

Think about it; a 2500k at 4.5ghz is 36% faster than one at stock.

I can see you have a 7850

Well, personally, do you get better fps from a stock 2500k to oc'ed to 4.5 in BF3 MP? And if yes, then by how much? Minimum? Average? etc...

Thanks
 

SickBeast

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I can see you have a 7850

Well, personally, do you get better fps from a stock 2500k to oc'ed to 4.5 in BF3 MP? And if yes, then by how much? Minimum? Average? etc...

Thanks
Someone else tested this recently and they gained a lot by going from 4.3ghz to 4.8ghz AFAIK.
 

moonbogg

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I just wanted to know: I am planning to get a 7850. But i dont know what processor to get. I first thought a core i5 3450 is enough but reading this thread i think it is not enough for BF3 multiplayer.

But i want to make sure. Would a 3450 be enough or would a 2500k overclocked yield me better minumum and/or better fps overall?

Plus, i will be willing to overclock 7850 to 7950 levels so yeh.

Regards

Edit: BTW is this bottlenecking mainly because of the SLI or BF3 MP in general?

Well i was supposed to be done with this thread, but at least I can help you. Honestly the minimum CPU for BF3 multiplayer in my opinion should be i7 2500k or the ivy bridge equivalent. Then, I strongly suggest overclocking it to 4.3ghz minimum.
Regarding the bottleneck I am seeing, its because of the demanding nature of BF3 multiplayer on the CPU. The cpu, in many situations can't keep up with two cards like the gtx 670's at 1080p. Raising resolution would shift the bottleneck to the cards, but then i'd have to sell them and get the 4 gig versions because 2gb isnt enough Vram for anything over 1080p.

EDIT: actually, with a single 7850 that card will be your bottleneck, so you can leave the CPU at stock i'm sure. Overclocking won't help you unless you have two of those cards.
 
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oddlyinsane

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Well i was supposed to be done with this thread, but at least I can help you. Honestly the minimum CPU for BF3 multiplayer in my opinion should be i7 2500k or the ivy bridge equivalent. Then, I strongly suggest overclocking it to 4.3ghz minimum.
Regarding the bottleneck I am seeing, its because of the demanding nature of BF3 multiplayer on the CPU. The cpu, in many situations can't keep up with two cards like the gtx 670's at 1080p. Raising resolution would shift the bottleneck to the cards, but then i'd have to sell them and get the 4 gig versions because 2gb isnt enough Vram for anything over 1080p.

EDIT: actually, with a single 7850 that card will be your bottleneck, so you can leave the CPU at stock i'm sure. Overclocking won't help you unless you have two of those cards.

Thanks this is what i am loooking for. But im not sure if overclocking wont help the minumum fps? would it for a single 7850? and if i should just leave it at stock clock, then im kind of getting the sense that a core i5 3450 is enough (quite identical to the 2400)?

Regards
 

moonbogg

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Thanks this is what i am loooking for. But im not sure if overclocking wont help the minumum fps? would it for a single 7850? and if i should just leave it at stock clock, then im kind of getting the sense that a core i5 3450 is enough (quite identical to the 2400)?

Regards

A single 7850 would likely have dips into the low 30's on ultra. I am pretty sure a stock 2500K could manage mins around or above that. I would get the 2500K (or equivalent) so that you have the OC headroom if you need it. I am pretty certain that a stock 2500K could keep a 7850 pegged at 99% usage all the time.
 

skipsneeky2

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A single 7850 would likely have dips into the low 30's on ultra. I am pretty sure a stock 2500K could manage mins around or above that. I would get the 2500K (or equivalent) so that you have the OC headroom if you need it. I am pretty certain that a stock 2500K could keep a 7850 pegged at 99% usage all the time.

A 7850 is slower then a gtx570 and i had both a gtx570 and a stock clocked 2500k and they worked perfectly fine together,i even had the first gtx670 pegged at 99% usage with the 2500k prior to moving to 3770k and sli gtx670.
 

Don Karnage

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A 7850 is slower then a gtx570 and i had both a gtx570 and a stock clocked 2500k and they worked perfectly fine together,i even had the first gtx670 pegged at 99% usage with the 2500k prior to moving to 3770k and sli gtx670.

A 7850 is slower at stock clocks



But do alittle overclocking on stock voltage




Max the card out...



The 570 is a HORRIBLE buy
 

skipsneeky2

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A 7850 is slower at stock clocks



But do alittle overclocking on stock voltage




Max the card out...



The 570 is a HORRIBLE buy

Nice numbers and yeah i forgot to mention the 7850 is faster when overclocked and yup besides the gtx670,the 7850 is the next best deal going on at the moment but can't wait to see what nvidia is cooking up,perhaps the 7850 will be cheaper and the stuff of legend.
 

guskline

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moonbogg: Buy an aftermarket cooler CM 212+EVO with a push/pull fan sytem and OC the 2600 K to 4.5. I have both of my 2500ks set at 44 x 103 for a 4532 OC. You can surely go higher. With the hardware you have, 2600k, 2 GTX 670s in SLI you should be flying, even in BF3.
 

moonbogg

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moonbogg: Buy an aftermarket cooler CM 212+EVO with a push/pull fan sytem and OC the 2600 K to 4.5. I have both of my 2500ks set at 44 x 103 for a 4532 OC. You can surely go higher. With the hardware you have, 2600k, 2 GTX 670s in SLI you should be flying, even in BF3.

I'm at 4.6 on air easy. Still massively CPU bottlenecked. Only hope is 3930K but I have seen no evidence of it actually helping yet.
 

moonbogg

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Correct. FPS doesn't change at that intense location between 1080p totally maxed with 4x MSAA and 720p no AA.

It seems my FPS will never EVER drop far below 60, occasion drops into 50's. No reason to complain, but i'm not done. Below are posted benchmarks from Oman to see SLI benefit with real numbers and to see if minimums are any better with SLI despite the CPU bottleneck. Something special about these runs; they are worst case with chopper blasting rockets right down on me and screen filled with smoke and total chaos with 60-64 players at construction site area. I had the luck of the chopper action being very similar for both runs. This is about the most CPU intense actual gameplay scenario I could find apart from standing in one spot on the hotel or TV station. This reflects CPU limited situations of actual gameplay.

Benches @ 4.6ghz HT on (will do HT off later)

SINGLE CARD
MIN: 38
MAX: 128
AVERAGE: 80

SLI
MIN: 51
MAX: 178
AVERAGE: 103

This is roughly a 25% improvement in a very cpu limited situation. I'll take it. The difference between 38 and 51 is enough to make gameplay much smoother thanks to the additional GPU headroom, but with a faster CPU it could be much better of course.

Sorry to bump and quote myself, but I had to in order to share the details.

New specs: Asus P9X79 Pro, 3930K, 16gb corsair 1600mhz 9-9-9-24-2T, corsair H80 cooler.

OK, 3930K @ 4.5 HT on. Did two runs on Oman. These were two full games from start to finish, 1200 tickets! First run had 64 players, second run had between 40 and 50 players. Of course, during a 1200 ticket game every immaginable scenario was encountered. A LOT of time was spent up high on buildings overlooking the whole map as I am primarily a sniper. During gameplay FPS seems to be generally higher on average and I am seeing at times max FPS a lot higher than before, possibly due to increased PCI-E bandwidth. Appearant CPU bottlenecked situations seem roughly the same however. These situations are in teh same spots as before, where GPU usage falls off sharply to arouns 60%.
I noticed at times, that even though I am behind a building and stare at the wall, the FPS falls and GPU usage falls if the rest of the map is infront of me behind that building. It seems the game is rendering things that aren't necessary for what you are looking at, and perhaps there is some game optimization that needs to be done. So, BF3 was helped only marginally with the 3930K leaving me to believe that its either the game itself (most likely IMO) or the game only scales to 4 cores at a maximum and more IPC is needed. Either way I am happy with the new rig for a variety of reasons and will be keeping the new hardware and will sell my 2600K setup promptly. No reformat was done upon new hardware installation however. Windows just started right up and i installed drivers. Maybe it would help to format, but I doubt it. Finally, here are the two runs I have done so far.

Run 1 - SLI on and 64 players
MIN: 51
MAX: 181
AVERAGE: 107

Run 2 - SLI and 40-50 players
MIN: 56
MAX: 201
AVERAGE: 121

EDIT: I have heard some people from actual hardware review sites claim that the 3930K is useful in BF3 multiplayer. Perhaps under some circumstances it may be helpful, maybe with 3 or more cards or something of that nature. But based on this first test run, I would not at all recommend anything over a 2500K for this game. Now, if things change from a reformat or some other factor comes into play, my thinking may change. But for now BF3 seems to have no clue that it has 2 more cores to use based SOLELY on the back to Karkand maps and in certain spots of those maps. Standard maps might be different.
 
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Termie

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LOL, this shows determination! Thanks for the report. Can you do exactly the same tests that you did with your 2600k? That would help nail down whether you really didn't get any benefit.

BTW, I assume you didn't have an OEM version of Windows, since you were able to move to a different motherboard. I kind of regret buying OEM all these years, because I get stuck with a single motherboard.
 

AtenRa

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LOL, this shows determination! Thanks for the report. Can you do exactly the same tests that you did with your 2600k? That would help nail down whether you really didn't get any benefit.

BTW, I assume you didn't have an OEM version of Windows, since you were able to move to a different motherboard. I kind of regret buying OEM all these years, because I get stuck with a single motherboard.

I believe you can change the motherboard (if you stay with the same CPU family, for example from Intel Socket 1155 H61 to Intel Z68 etc) even with DSPs.
 

Rvenger

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I change hardware all the time and as long as you only use your copy of Windows on one computer, it will activate just fine. You may just have to use the phone option.
 

cmdrdredd

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Cool test moonbogg and thanks for sharing. I have some questions for you though that I'll have to ask through PM since they are irrelevant to this topic. I am interested in this discussion because I have heard people say BF3 can benefit a lot from a 6core CPU.

One thing though that is relevant, did you try turning HT off and testing the same way? I've read that HT causes loss of performance sometimes and I'd like to know if this was true.
 

moonbogg

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Cool test moonbogg and thanks for sharing. I have some questions for you though that I'll have to ask through PM since they are irrelevant to this topic. I am interested in this discussion because I have heard people say BF3 can benefit a lot from a 6core CPU.

One thing though that is relevant, did you try turning HT off and testing the same way? I've read that HT causes loss of performance sometimes and I'd like to know if this was true.

Yes, I did same testing with HT off and there was just no measurable difference.
 

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what $75 GPU should I get to play BF3 on low setting at 720p? BTW I have an AMD Phenom II 965BE, 8GBs of Gskill Ripjaws 1333 RAM, and a Biostar A880G+ motherboard. I also have a SeaSonic 80 plus 450 watt motherboard.
 

2is

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So they take you at your word that it's the same computer, just a new motherboard? I'd really love to do a drop in upgrade like the OP, rather than buying a new OS and doing a fresh install.

Mobo is the one piece of hardware you aren't suppose to change. Though I suppose you could leave that bit of info out
 
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