big bang theory - many problems

[glen]

Originally posted by: fredtam


Actually all of the questions on that site can be answered with current theories based on observations and experiments. If someone hasn't tore his theories completely apart by morning I will. Unfortunately I have to be up in 3 hours. Hopefully the universe and ATOT will still be here when I wake up.

Didn't SilverPig and I tear them up enough?
Do they need more tearing up?
I am not trying to be mean or insult anyone, but seriously, if one took high school level physics, one ought to shoot that web site full of holes.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: glen

Big Bang Theory: The Major Problems in Summary
The Big Bang Theory has some significant problems. First of all, the Big Bang Theory does not address the question at hand: "Where did everything come from?"

True.
It also does not tell use who will win the super bowl.
It does not proport to do either of these things, therefore NOT doing them, is not a problem.
Believeing it is supposed to explin these things, IS a problem.

I agree. People love to knowingly misinterpret to come out on top.

THe Bing Bang, IMO, which is open to criticism, as i openly admit I am not 100% informed on the subject, attempts to explain what happened.

THe analogy I liek to use is a binary. YOu can of course attempt to find the source code from that, but the range of possibilities as to what the original variables is not within our capabilities. DOes this discount then the fac that we can decompile the binary? NO.

PLEASE STOP blaming theories ofr not being "all that and a bag of chips" THe big bang theory attempts to explain one facet of existance....how our existance started.....it does not address conclusively where everything came FROM.

As I posted vefore, please take these for what they are: THEORIES>

Believeing in God will keep you warm at night. Believing otherwise will not. EIther way, that is IMO not an acceptable reason to override intellectual hypothesis that might have some merit.

IMO, believe what you want to believe, but realize that it will not be the end of the world if you are proiven worng one day.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: warcrow

The Big Bang Theory has some significant problems. First of all, the Big Bang Theory does not address the question at hand: "Where did everything come from?" Can nothing explode?

Exactly. I'm not really a religious man (even though I was raised to be, and was baptised), but this is what keeps me from being an atheist. Where did it all start? The universe had to come from somewhere. Something had to create it. Not just some huge explosion. It just doesnt make sense to me.

Good link, thanks!

It is actually my opinion that the universe didn't come from somewhere.

Time is human conceptualization. I think there is probably a good possibility that things have always just been... that there was no beginning. The "big bang" might have been A beginning though.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: warcrow

The Big Bang Theory has some significant problems. First of all, the Big Bang Theory does not address the question at hand: "Where did everything come from?" Can nothing explode?

Exactly. I'm not really a religious man (even though I was raised to be, and was baptised), but this is what keeps me from being an atheist. Where did it all start? The universe had to come from somewhere. Something had to create it. Not just some huge explosion. It just doesnt make sense to me.

Good link, thanks!

It is actually my opinion that the universe didn't come from somewhere.

Time is human conceptualization. I think there is probably a good possibility that things have always just been... that there was no beginning. The "big bang" might have been A beginning though.

Or maybe just our beginning.


I don;t know about you, but I have no problem dealing with the fact that we could have possibly evoled from slime. I am not popous enough to hinder science in the name of humanities "glorious" self-image.

 

[Goosemaster]

DP

 

[flexy]

another one of these "OMG it's 3:00am and what the heck am iDOING writing this? - threads...

a) BB is not a given fact, its a THEORY

b) if there was a BB, then there could also have been SOME.....maybe INFINITE.

Universe is supposed to collapse soener or later (i think i read that once ANOTHER BB might create a new univsere then.

Infiniite BBs: Would need a change of thinking since infinite BBs make it harder to think "who started it"...its just a rule of nature so to speak that BBs happen and universes collapse after some time.

There is no need for "the first ever" BB.

Also..the elimination of the "first ever" BB would NOT eliminate the questioning of "God"....since there are other things which legitmate to question whether "God" is behind things.

Eg. the fact that everything sooner or later lgets highly organized and gets a conciousnes/intelligence (with the ability to ask such questions .....so...what's the motor behind that everything sooner ot later becomes "intelligent" - the motor behind life itself etc...the drive which puts cells together and creates brains ?

BB is simplified thinking IMHO....

 

[flexy]

genius flash:

Maybe its antimatter universe and matter universe balancing out each other !

the one sucks in the other...when its gone (eg. the matter universe) it will 'soon' be reborn again out of the anti-matter universe.
A neverending cycle.

I am standing good with my theory since (IMHO) anti-matter is a proven fact - so is the fact that more anti-matter exists right now in the univ. than matter.
Which would nicely fit in my theory

 

[RobCur]

humanity cannot exist without a god, and man is not self existent. no man is apelike and ape are a million times inferior. science prove nothing except throught experimentation that the impossible can happen which further give more evidences to god's existent. man likes to be destructive like create weapons of mass destruction(nukes) without thinking of the consequences, he himself is a fool and not realize his own error more than a decade ago which will ultimately destroy us all in the end and we are nearing that time. nuff said.

 

[Chaotic42]

Perhaps we are all living on 3-dimensional strings floating in a 4 or 5 dimensional multiverse and our existance came from the collision of two of these strings.

Perhaps quantum fluxuation created an extremely massive, extremely small point that rapidly expanded.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: RobCur
humanity cannot exist without a god, and man is not self existent. no man is apelike and ape are a million times inferior. science prove nothing except throught experimentation that the impossible can happen which further give more evidences to god's existent. man likes to be destructive like create weapons of mass destruction(nukes) without thinking of the consequences, he himself is a fool and not realize his own error more than a decade ago which will ultimately destroy us all in the end and we are nearing that time. nuff said.

Is English your second language? I'd like to know before I start making fun of you.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: RobCur
humanity cannot exist without a god, and man is not self existent. no man is apelike and ape are a million times inferior. science prove nothing except throught experimentation that the impossible can happen which further give more evidences to god's existent. man likes to be destructive like create weapons of mass destruction(nukes) without thinking of the consequences, he himself is a fool and not realize his own error more than a decade ago which will ultimately destroy us all in the end and we are nearing that time. nuff said.

Thanks for the "explanation."

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: RobCur
humanity cannot exist without a god, and man is not self existent. no man is apelike and ape are a million times inferior. science prove nothing except throught experimentation that the impossible can happen which further give more evidences to god's existent. man likes to be destructive like create weapons of mass destruction(nukes) without thinking of the consequences, he himself is a fool and not realize his own error more than a decade ago which will ultimately destroy us all in the end and we are nearing that time. nuff said.

Thanks for the "explanation."

Yeah dude, like WTF.

You have given no conclusive proof that humanity requires a god. If you are talking about the necessity for a supernatural dogma in society to prolong our existance(reason to live), I'll agree to an extent, but scientifically, that argument is baseless.

Why exactly are apes inferior? Why exactly are we not? Perhaps they are a million times inferior, but that is because we have had 1 million years of evolution that they have not. Evolution, although a theory, is quite easy toi see in everyday life, from the long necks of African Giraffes to the posenous slime of tree frogs.

Nukes were created with thinking in mind. Keep in mind that fusion and fission are energy sources that will most likely power our future.


Bringing that "science prove nothing except throught experimentation that the impossible can happen which further give more evidences to god's existent" crap in here is stupid and petty. Fission has been a long process which is now probably powering the computer you are typing at. As for the introduction of the concept of evil, it somewhat confirms the limits of our humanity. Perhaps we are like apes, so intent on quelling our physical and mental desires...?

JUST BECAUSE OUR THEORIES ARE NOT IRONCLAD DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE MUST REVERT TO YOURS. THAT IS THE CONCEPT OF A THEORY. AND EDUCATED AND SOMEWHAT PROVEN HYPOTHESIS.

EVERYDAY SCIENCE CONTINUALLY FINDS MORE AND MORE ANSWERS. IF YOU WILL BE AS PETTY AS TO REFUTE MY THEORY WIHTOUT FIRST REFUTING YOUR OWN, PLEASE LEAVE THE THREAD.

Notice I haven't refuted christianity and creationism. I will criticize all I wnat, but I will not refute, because I ACCEPT THAT BOTH ARE THEORIES>


Damn fools piss me off with there "iam right so shutup" crap

 

[GoodToGo]

Originally posted by: fitzhue
Does anyone in here read Discover magazine? They had an article a couple months back about a theory of the universe that somewhat includes the big bang theory but greatly expands upon it. Here is a link to the beginning: Link

I can post the whole thing in .pdf if anyone wants it.

That would be great, wants me to subscribe to read the article.

 

[Cashmoney995]

Hinduism can actually explain the Big bang. I wont go into it, but someone has written a book in hindi about it, and its currently being translated to english. Science is Science, it exists whether or not the church believes in it. HOWEVER, you can believe that science is nothing more than rules created by none other than him. Thats why hinduism is not just a regular, do it or go to hell religion. First its completely contestable. You're supposed to refute anything you dont want to believe in. Second its current form is half culture half way of life. Third, its an exploration of inner self.

There is some retarded church that started a fitness center in houston and was like "We dont believe in the spirituality of yoga, we just believe in the excersize benefits so we're gonna call it yogod." Idiots, if you don't believe in self examination, meditation, and focus then your missing half the benefit. Yoga isnt just stretching your ying yang on to your yang ying.

I used to curse god for things that happened to me. Now I understand its just a set of rules. Whether or not he made them or not I dont care anymore. Its just all about the rules. Unfortunately there is no handbook written on paper. Most of it is in your head, there are books though that can help you understand yourself. That's why following A book is even worse, because your completely limiting your view point to one that is dictated to you. Experiance changes our perception of the rules. A smart man should and must question dictations. This dumb website fails to realise that the atomic bomb is the obviety of recognition of the ability for pretty much inert matter to release energy in such violent reaction.

That's why Im pretty much against Islam because it is not a religion for the smart person. It has a fierce dictation of what is wrong and wright and no ifs ands or buts about it. Religion is a learning process. If you can read a scripture and be like "Ok this is what some dead guy said a long time ago about x topic, hmm now what do I think about it, how does it apply to my life...interesting." and walk on, then you have gained much more than dictation can ever hope to teach you. I think about those kids who can do nothing but recite the quran and its heartbreaking. They are illiterate and have absolutely no ability to percieve things for themselves. Questioning is never bad, it doesnt neccesarily mean your against it, it means that you want to learn a little more about it before you go head first into it.