Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Then what's the argument? The Big Bang is science, creationism is not.
Oops, thought you had it, but you missed the points that you yourself made. We may propose infinitely many models to fit any data. Discerning between those models, then, becomes a purely philosophical exercise rather than a scientific one because no observables are predicted to be different by the various models.
Well, I'll hand it to you. You've got me, and probably 500 other people arguing about completely the wrong issue. Your question wasn't about creationism vs the Big Bang - it drives a lot deeper than that and I can only assume that you picked that topic to draw a greater audience.
What I see as your question is whether logic and reason are innate or taught / indoctrinated. If that really is your question, it's far more intelligent than the idiocy we're driving at here.
Dawkins accuses religious people of indoctrinating children, who don't know any better, with religious ideals. He says this is one of the worst crimes that can possibly be perpetrated by an adult on a child. It begs the question, though, is logic indoctrinated as well? Personally, I'd tend to say yes. Rationality, logic, the scientific method are all cornerstones of our society. They've served (and continue to serve) us well. It is, in fact, the belief system that has given us nearly every technical advance in our society. It is the vehicle through which we understand the world we live in.
The problem is that we, as a society, need something to build our understanding of the world. Our chosen tool is logic. Everything we've built stands on it and, if ever proven wrong a lot of it could come crashing down.