Bigger Stronger Faster

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brikis98

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Just got around to watching Bigger Stronger Faster, a movie about steroids, drug use, body image, pop culture and more. I have to admit that the movie had some surprisingly deep points and was unquestionably worth watching. Some of the more memorable points discussed:

* It was interesting to realize that most of what I knew about steroids was just hearsay or what some reporter said on TV. In reality, most of it has very little scientific backing. Or, to be more specific, it's not that we know steroids are good or bad, it's just that few studies have been done (as it would probably be unethical) that really let us know one way or the other.

* It was a bit depressing to really see just how many athletes and cultural icons - how many "childhood heroes" - have used them. We really do live in a culture where you have to cheat just to keep up.

* The movie constantly touched on the point that our culture is obsessed with image, drugs, and competitiveness. Everyone wants a six pack, be famous, be rich and so on and while aspirations like these can be good, we tend to take them to the extremes to our own detriment.

* Finally, there were definitely some interesting points made on the morality of using performance enhancing drugs. I really liked the discussion of whether genetic engineering would be considered cheating if it happened in the future. It was also interesting to consider the fairly arbitrary line between performance enhancing drugs that were legal and those that weren't.

While the movie definitely gave me a different perspective on steroids, I'm still against them for a reason I think was largely overlooked. I just don't think society could handle legal, taboo-free performance enhancing drugs, as it would profoundly, and in my opinion, quite negatively, change everything about athletics. Success would be determined not by hard work and dedication, but by being willing to submit yourself to the latest lab experiment. Athletes would be more lab rat than champion and victories would be engineered rather than earned. Moreover, biology has placed some natural limits on our abilities, whereas many of these limits would be easily surpassed with drugs. I just don't think humanity could handle that and the situation would quickly spiral out of control. Female athletes would turn into males (remember the East German olympians?) and males would turn into monsters (some bodybuilders already are).
 

XZeroII

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Your first point is interesting. I don't see how there could be a debate on whether they are good or bad. There are many reasons why they are good and why they are bad, but the bad far outweigh the good when referring to professional competition.
 

brikis98

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Neat video, definitely mentions a lot of the same issues discussed in Bigger Stronger Faster. I think the key fact was mentioned right at the end: almost all of our evidence, whether its pro steroids or anti steroids, is anecdotal. It would be neat if an anonymous survey (so users wouldn't be afraid to respond to it) could be conducted of all steroid users around the country to collect data on just how many of them have any sort of negative health effects. I doubt it could be done accurately - self reported data is always questionable - but it would give us at least a small sense of how serious the health risks really are.
 
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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Your first point is interesting. I don't see how there could be a debate on whether they are good or bad. There are many reasons why they are good and why they are bad, but the bad far outweigh the good when referring to professional competition.

I'm not for steroids, but this isn't definitively true. Steroids like testosterone allow the body to work harder, heal faster, and grow more quickly. There aren't any studies linking serious health problems to steroids so the bad actually don't outweigh the good in the eyes of athletes. Think about being an elite athlete, but always sub-par to the best. To go from that to being the best just through utilizing steroids to work even harder is worth it for most athletes. The one side effect that is practically confirmed is 'roid rage. Some people use that to their advantage in sports like football as well so it just comes along as an extra perk. I'm already pretty aggressive in sport so that would actually worry me a lot.

Also, it's funny to me that all the people they could find to talk about using steroids were bodybuilders who don't really utilize functional strength, but use steroids for size. I would like to have seen an interview with someone like Marion Jones or Tim Montgomery and see how it actually effected their overall performance and recovery time, etc.

Was it just me or did anybody else notice the crappy form of everybody doing weightlifting in Eric's video? Lol.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Your first point is interesting. I don't see how there could be a debate on whether they are good or bad. There are many reasons why they are good and why they are bad, but the bad far outweigh the good when referring to professional competition.

I'm not for steroids, but this isn't definitively true. Steroids like testosterone allow the body to work harder, heal faster, and grow more quickly. There aren't any studies linking serious health problems to steroids so the bad actually don't outweigh the good in the eyes of athletes. Think about being an elite athlete, but always sub-par to the best. To go from that to being the best just through utilizing steroids to work even harder is worth it for most athletes. The one side effect that is practically confirmed is 'roid rage. Some people use that to their advantage in sports like football as well so it just comes along as an extra perk. I'm already pretty aggressive in sport so that would actually worry me a lot.

Also, it's funny to me that all the people they could find to talk about using steroids were bodybuilders who don't really utilize functional strength, but use steroids for size. I would like to have seen an interview with someone like Marion Jones or Tim Montgomery and see how it actually effected their overall performance and recovery time, etc.

Was it just me or did anybody else notice the crappy form of everybody doing weightlifting in Eric's video? Lol.

What I meant when I said that the bad outweighed the good when it comes to professional competition is that it gives an edge to those who use. Basically, you might as well not even compete if you aren't a steroid user because everyone else is going to be better. By banning these, you're leveling the playing field.
 

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^^^ In a Utopian society that would be true.
In the real world, banning steroids gives the advantages to those who have the best counter drug testing measures like China (they haven't been caught yet - so perhaps they deserve the presumption of innocence?) at the '08 Olympics, the Balco athletes (before they got snitched out) of the 90's - 2000's, and the East Bloc countries of the 50's - 80's.
The U.S. will never win another weightlifting Olympic gold medal because our lifters are subjected to double void random drug tests - thus guaranteeing that we will be competing at a disadvantage against the rest of the world. In '08 out of 15 divisions (male and female) China won 8 golds, and the US won ZERO medals - 0 gold, 0 silver, 0 bronze.
I guess it's a good thing the USOC doesn't hate all our athletes as much as they hate our weightlifters - otherwise we'd be skunked in every event...
That's my 2 cents!
 

EvilYoda

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I watched it a while back...entertaining movie for sure. I watched it just to learn what it's like for people that use and to learn more about steroids in general. Being someone who has always been thin (5'11", 170lb now) and never thought about competing in anything athletic, steroids have never interested me.

BTW, a little movie trivia - the guy who played the wrestler that sold Randy "The Ram" his drugs in "The Wrestler", Scott Siegel, was later arrested for possession and distribution of anabolic steroids, and other charges. doh.
 

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Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
The one side effect that is practically confirmed is 'roid rage. Some people use that to their advantage in sports like football as well so it just comes along as an extra perk. I'm already pretty aggressive in sport so that would actually worry me a lot.

I disagree. Steroids can cause a person to be more aggressive, but it wont turn someone who is fairly passive to an animal; and if you do fly off the handle, it should be controlable. But if you take a person who is naturally an asshole and a nut, and he knows steroids are supposed to make him go crazy, thats how roid rage is born. Ive used REAL testosterone, and my personality didnt change one bit (Im a calm and relaxed person), and a coworker of mine used a BS supplement test booster and claimed he was mad all the time and "roid raging."




Also, the wrestler brother of the author has recently died, from I believe suicide.
 
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