Bigots United . . .

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: CaptnKirkIt could be even more effective with our Southern border - we already have manufacturing facilities
in Mexico built to deliver goods to the US - especially in the automotive industry.
Instead of a wall or a fence being put up, why not put the same amount of energy & investment in
facilities, housing and schools on the Mexican side of the border to provide a way for them to improve their plight there.
It's almost a minimal annexation of the 51st state of Mexico and brings their trade capabilities and
domestic policy in the direction that we have long held with the Canadians, without the damn Hockey. :shocked:

This is all very altruistic and such, but where is all this money going to come from for this plan? We?re already near $9 trillion in the red and financing two occupations with low-yield T-bills. Mexico is a sovereign nation. Why can't THEY be responsible for seeing to the needs and aspirations of their own citizens? Perhaps Mexican?s, being as industrious and saintly as some of you seem to think they are, should dedicate themselves to correcting the obvious political, social and economic problems at home.

Yup, with his solution that would make the Iraq War cost/day look like chump change. Sure, let's just annex Mexico, and then maybe Canada too? LOL. I agree, the US should be pressuring Mexico for reform, it's not coming out of our pockets that are already raped.

 

[Steeplerot]

We are not "wounded" in any way by diversity in our culture, it is the unaccountability that is the problem, this is where you are lost, and btw, show me a quote that says any of my family are not americans your a full of crap once again, Like lay off the sp33d d00d kk?

 

[BlancoNino]

Okay, I'm probably going to be called a racist for this...but I have had my bike, my car stereo, a vcr, and my cell phone stolen throughout my life. All were done by hispanics that knew little english.

Growing up in the schools I always kept my on the students who were recieving lunch paid for by hard-working tax payers. The vast majority were hispanic. I rode a bus where I happened to be 1 of about 4 caucasian students on. It was not uncommon for me to be provoked, taunted, and occasionally pushed around while hearing screams of spanish curse words because I was white.

When I visit neighborhoods that are dominantly hispanic...they are very loud. There are many more cars with modified exhaust that can be heard 2 blocks away. It's not uncommon to see a hispanic family have front-yard barbecues, even when they have an enormous back yard. It is not uncommon for their children to not respect cars that drive down the street.

I work at a pizza restaurant and we have a party room. Myself and a few other employees (two of them were of hispanic origin as well) decided to start taking notes at who rented the party room and what kinds of messes they'd leave. Hispanic families were the only ones noted to have left dirty diapers on the floor (not joking, and has happened several times), food on the floor, broken glasses, etc.


I know what is about to come. I am a racist right? No, I'm just an observer, and EVERYTHING I just wrote down is a fact. I will be the first to admit that people of other races and colors aren't exempt from everything I've listed...but in my observations and experiences growing up, hispanic people (generally non-english, close to poverty ones) have been much more likely to exhibit this sort of behavior.

 

[Steeplerot]

Some cultures celebrate together, I think it is great when the neighborhood is alive and active, to be honest mostly white areas where everything is dead quiet and people suspiciously peep out their windows shows a lot of how screwed up we are. All the things you list are all the same things all people do, especially careless ones.

Any trailer park in america shows the same kind of examples of sloppy people, and yes, white kids bully each other terribly also just as bad if not worse as they know they can get away with much more, heck look at the stuff bush did in college to fraterity brothers during initiations.

Sounds to me like you have a negative view of these people becasue you cannot speak their language you feel an outcast to their culture. Nothing racist about feeling left out and pointing out the feeling in your post.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Some cultures celebrate together, I think it is great when the neighborhood is alive and active, to be honest mostly white areas where everything is dead quiet and people suspiciously peep out their windows shows a lot of how screwed up we are. All the things you list are all the same things all people do, espically careless ones.

Any trailer park in america shows the same kind of culture, and yes, white kids bully each other terribly also, heck look at the stuff bush did in college to fraterity brother initiation.

Sounds to me like you have a negative view of these people becasue you cannot speak their language you feel an outcast to their culture. Nothing racist about feeling left out and pointing out the feeling.

I think it's great when neighborhoods are alive and active as well. But when noise pollution and outright disrespect comes in to the picture nearly every week, there is a problem and there is no way to talk to them.

When I was harassed and shoved around on the bus in middle school, assistant principle acted like he would do something about it until I told him that they were saying they did it because I was white. The school did nothing about it.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Some cultures celebrate together, I think it is great when the neighborhood is alive and active, to be honest mostly white areas where everything is dead quiet and people suspiciously peep out their windows shows a lot of how screwed up we are. All the things you list are all the same things all people do, espically careless ones.

Any trailer park in america shows the same kind of culture, and yes, white kids bully each other terribly also, heck look at the stuff bush did in college to fraterity brother initiation.

Sounds to me like you have a negative view of these people becasue you cannot speak their language you feel an outcast to their culture. Nothing racist about feeling left out and pointing out the feeling.

I think it's great when neighborhoods are alive and active as well. But when noise pollution and outright disrespect comes in to the picture nearly every week, there is a problem and there is no way to talk to them.

When I was harassed and shoved around on the bus in middle school, assistant principle acted like he would do something about it until I told him that they were saying they did it because I was white. The school did nothing about it.

I agree noisy can be bad, but this is part of lving around a lot of people, the only real reason white areas are quiter is becasue white people on a whole live in spaced out areas (suburbia).

My neighborhood I live in now is SOOO loud. I literally hear peoples yelling and trucks banging around and sirens all night, that is part of living in a urban area, I don't pay attention to it anymore to be honest unless I am listening for something outside or there is gonna be a fight.

The kids thing, kids are cruel it has nothing to do with color, when I was a kid I had a giant mohawk of changing colors and the whole punk thing going on, I would constantly be "tried" by whatever minority and "jocks" (white upper class bullys) almost every day, you have to stand up for yourself, it sucks but it is life, granted I would be one who would jump in when people were picked especially for racism reasons so I kinda grew up fighting for the underdog, as I do still.

Since I have grown up I have come to look back on kids as being downright mean hormone enraged struggle for power and pandering to be accepted by peers whacked out tiny microcosoms of adult life to come, just adults play it a bit more low-key.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
We are not "wounded" in any way by diversity in our culture, it is the unaccountability that is the problem, this is where you are lost, and btw, show me a quote that says any of my family are not americans your a full of crap once again, Like lay off the sp33d d00d kk?

I sincerely hope you didn't take my artery/finger bleeding analogy literally to mean that "your culture" is "wounded". If so, you are about as sharp as a bowling ball. And no offense, but your command of English grammar is also about as sharp as a bowling ball (yes, your sentences are run on and incoherent). I seriously hope you were joking when you said you were a public speaker.

You clearly stated that your family had illegals in it, I'm not going to look it up. That clearly invalidates anything you have to say since you are biased and think this is about "Midwest and east coast whites" vs Mexicans. Try again, troll.

 

[Steeplerot]

I already told you this was untrue about my family, so stfu or provide a link.
I am an american as all my family are.
And public speaking has zero to do with my writing, I am usually between customers to bother with formal writing or simple puncuation, (busted shift key) you can always skip that green haired icons posts if you cant deal, it is a easy way to tell and only other regular poster who uses it here is Mugs who never posts in P&N anyhow.

I could care less you as you rant like a 12 year old vomiting right wing talk radio talking points and contribute nothing but flamefests to the immigration issue solely anyhow.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Some cultures celebrate together, I think it is great when the neighborhood is alive and active, to be honest mostly white areas where everything is dead quiet and people suspiciously peep out their windows shows a lot of how screwed up we are. All the things you list are all the same things all people do, espically careless ones.

Any trailer park in america shows the same kind of culture, and yes, white kids bully each other terribly also, heck look at the stuff bush did in college to fraterity brother initiation.

Sounds to me like you have a negative view of these people becasue you cannot speak their language you feel an outcast to their culture. Nothing racist about feeling left out and pointing out the feeling.

I think it's great when neighborhoods are alive and active as well. But when noise pollution and outright disrespect comes in to the picture nearly every week, there is a problem and there is no way to talk to them.

When I was harassed and shoved around on the bus in middle school, assistant principle acted like he would do something about it until I told him that they were saying they did it because I was white. The school did nothing about it.

I agree noisy can be bad, but this is part of lving around a lot of people, the only real reason white areas are quiter is becasue white people on a whole live in spaced out areas (suburbia).

My neighborhood I live in now is SOOO loud. I literally hear peoples yelling and trucks banging around and sirens all night, that is part of living in a urban area, I don't pay attention to it anymore to be honest unless I am listening for something outside or there is gonna be a fight.

The kids thing, kids are cruel it has nothing to do with color, when I was a kid I had a giant mohawk of changing colors and the whole punk thing going on, I would constantly be "tried" by whatever minority and "jocks" (white upper class bullys) almost every day, you have to stand up for yourself, it sucks but it is life, granted I would be one who would jump in when people were picked especially for racism reasons so I kinda grew up fighting for the underdog, as I do still.

Since I have grown up I have come to look back on kids as being downright mean hormone enraged struggle for power and pandering to be accepted by peers whacked out tiny microcosoms of adult life to come, just adults play it a bit more low-key.

I agree with you about kids. I wasn't trying to make a "poor opressed me" case out of the bus deal. I think people (generally students) act like that naturally. I don't believe in "hate crimes" or anything like that.

 

[Steeplerot]

I don't think kids really know any better, it's kind of a pack mentality looking for a reason to pick on someone to gain peer acceptance, race is the easiest and about the dumbest reason to single someone out, if it wasent that it would be something like you have big ears or a ugly shirt that day imo.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Some cultures celebrate together, I think it is great when the neighborhood is alive and active, to be honest mostly white areas where everything is dead quiet and people suspiciously peep out their windows shows a lot of how screwed up we are. All the things you list are all the same things all people do, espically careless ones.

Any trailer park in america shows the same kind of culture, and yes, white kids bully each other terribly also, heck look at the stuff bush did in college to fraterity brother initiation.

Sounds to me like you have a negative view of these people becasue you cannot speak their language you feel an outcast to their culture. Nothing racist about feeling left out and pointing out the feeling.

I think it's great when neighborhoods are alive and active as well. But when noise pollution and outright disrespect comes in to the picture nearly every week, there is a problem and there is no way to talk to them.

When I was harassed and shoved around on the bus in middle school, assistant principle acted like he would do something about it until I told him that they were saying they did it because I was white. The school did nothing about it.

Many poorer areas are like this, but it's also beside the point that many illegals come here to flee the crimes they have committed in their own country. Robbed a bank in your homeland? No problem! Flee to the US and work under the table. Wipe the slate clean! There was a statistic floating around about how many criminals caught were committed by illegals. Quoted from another thread:

<<"Operation Predator is Immigration and Customs Enforcement's comprehensive initiative to safeguard children from foreign national pedophiles, international sex tourists, Internet child pornographers and human traffickers. ( I.C.E.)

In New York City, Probation officers,along with Federal agents arrested 47 criminal alien sex offenders in Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Manhattan as part of the Department of Homeland Security's "Operation Predator."

Of the 47 aliens,36 were here illegally, who've been convicted sex offenders, guilty of rape, sodomy, assault with intent to cause physical injury, sexual abuse and sexual misconduct, endangering the welfare of a child, reckless endangerment, course sex conduct and possessing a sexual performance by a child.

The majority of the arrests under Operation Predator - roughly 85% - have involved foreign nationals in this country whose child sex crimes make them removable from the United States. By matching immigration databases with state Megan?s law directories, ICE agents have arrested more than 1,800 registered sex offenders.

Since Operation Predator began on July 9, 2003, the initiative has resulted in 6,085 child predator arrests throughout the country - an average of roughly 250 arrests per month and eight arrests per day. While arrests have been made in every state, the most have occurred in these states: Arizona (207), California (1,578), Florida (255), Illinois (282), Michigan (153), Minnesota (190), New Jersey (423), New York (367), Oregon (148) and Texas (545).

Those captured are believed to be a drop in the bucket when one realizes most sex crimes -- especially those involving children go unreported.

Some recent ICE arrests involving criminal aliens who committed child sex crimes include Julio Cesar Rabago-Magana, a Mexican man who raped a four-year-old child in the basement of Mercado Central in Minneapolis, Minn. Rabago-Magana pleaded guilty Oct. 23, 2002 to first-degree criminal sexual conduct. After serving his criminal sentence, he was arrested by ICE agents at his St. Paul home on March 3, 2005, and deported six days later.

To date, more than 2,100 of these foreign-born predators have been removed from the United States to their home nations. As part of this process, ICE advises the host nation Governments about the criminal histories of each sex predator it is deporting to their nations. ICE also issues Green Notices through Interpol in appropriate cases. The Green Notice provides information on career criminals who have committed, or are likely to commit, offenses in several countries.">>

 

[Steeplerot]

So now immigrants are sexual predators or criminals running from something, give me a break, this is lame fearmongering crap. Sure we need to screen people but this is pathetic.

There are screwed up people and criminals in every part of every society.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
So now immigrants are sexual predators or criminals running from something, give me a break, this is lame fearmongering crap. Sure we need to screen people but this is pathetic.

There are screwed up people and criminals in every part of every society.

Even when the stats are put in front of your face, you will brush it aside as nothing. How can you "screen people" when they are sneaking in? You just proved my point, that there is no way to screen them unless they get a pen, an immigration form, and do it the legal way. Thanks, you just owned yourself.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I already told you this was untrue about my family, so stfu or provide a link.
I am an american as all my family are.
And public speaking has zero to do with my writing, I am usually between customers to bother with formal writing or simple puncuation, (busted shift key) you can always skip that green haired icons posts if you cant deal, it is a easy way to tell and only other regular poster who uses it here is Mugs who never posts in P&N anyhow.

I could care less you as you rant like a 12 year old vomiting right wing talk radio talking points and contribute nothing but flamefests to the immigration issue solely anyhow.

You are the one that has posted several remarks about people being racist, whitey, or rednecks. If you are a Professional Public Speaker, I am surprised by the lack of factual information you present. I guess you show up and just spout off as many racists comments about white people as you can and call that public speaking. Take public speaking lessons from Jesse Jackson? You are your type do a bigger disservice to your own people than any clan of the KKK.

People opposing ILLEGAL immigration did not bring race into their arguements. You couldn't counter the tons of evidence to support the downside of unchecked immigration into the US so you have to resort you making it a race problem and not the social and economic problem that it is.

 

[Steeplerot]

Sure, it is all the evil invaders fault, why dont you read what has been discussed in here besdies me responding to ignorant trolls, we have been over the social and economic thing many times.

Your just pissed becasue I am not interested in your easy way out of blaming the poor, save it.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
So now immigrants are sexual predators or criminals running from something, give me a break, this is lame fearmongering crap. Sure we need to screen people but this is pathetic.

There are screwed up people and criminals in every part of every society.

Even when the stats are put in front of your face, you will brush it aside as nothing. How can you "screen people" when they are sneaking in? You just proved my point, that there is no way to screen them unless they get a pen, an immigration form, and do it the legal way. Thanks, you just owned yourself.

Where did I saw we should not be screening people coming in? Ok then like I said, show me a quote or go away.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I could care less you as you rant like a 12 year old vomiting right wing talk radio talking points and contribute nothing but flamefests to the immigration issue solely anyhow.

I'm the 12 yr old, eh? Let's see some of the racist stuff that has spewed from your mouth:

1) And now that the majority that settled with no restrictions are white its ok to lock it down and label the migrant people native to the area as illegal, sure..

2) Wrong, only the mainly east coast and midwest whites not affected by this directly are the main ones who support this racist [immigration] law, granted mainstream media is catered for you so you think you are some kind of majority, guess what, your not.

3) Ahh, so its ok to immigrate if you are european or came here in the past 90 years or so unless your a mexican, ok. :roll: ...It is plainly obvious to everyone but white elitests here that this is nothing less then a pure racist attack on our poorest people.

4) It is not I that pulled the racism card, this racist law did.

5) It is nothing less then elitism and to put it bluntly racism, you may not be aware or in denial but this is a racist law period. Sorry if you can't deal with reality but this is a very racist country too. A country of racists that are making racist laws covering up with lame excuses like not wanting to be PC and convienent loopholes hiding behind "the law" (a coward and fools last resort arguement) It is not popular here being a mostly white forum but it is truth.

6) I am noones whipping boy although talking to what I feel are some of the most ignorant people of a white middle class forum of TV fed zombies sure feels like beating my head against a wall sometimes...

7) Quite a few regular forum members are behind me but generally who would want to debate half these whackos and have to tell them it is racism, I take a lot of unpopular stands in here.

6) Millions are saying the same thing as me: No to Racist Bill H4437!

8) I have fought skinheads and racism almost my whole adult life...

All from this thread.
I think it's utterly sad that someone who has fought skinheads all their life is now just as "racist" against a whole group of people (whites) due to a small minority of whites who beat you up/called you names/took your lunch money.

Your race driven posts are only promoting more hate in yourself as evidenced by your comments.

 

[Steeplerot]

And what is racist in there? It is the ignorant hate tv/radio fed and mostly whites who have no clue. So tell me why that is racist? Becasue I point out who is the opposition to these people? Well yeah, duh it's the same wingnuts who are against gay marriage and such also.

Generally yee hah undereduacated white rural folks who have no life experience with minoritys and mexicans who buy the fearmongering off the radio.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
So now immigrants are sexual predators or criminals running from something, give me a break, this is lame fearmongering crap. Sure we need to screen people but this is pathetic.

There are screwed up people and criminals in every part of every society.

Even when the stats are put in front of your face, you will brush it aside as nothing. How can you "screen people" when they are sneaking in? You just proved my point, that there is no way to screen them unless they get a pen, an immigration form, and do it the legal way. Thanks, you just owned yourself.

Where did I saw we should not be screening people coming in? Ok then like I said, show me a quote or go away.

If you support the immigrants in the US that did not enter through the current LEGAL methods, you have implied support of nonscreening.

 

[Steeplerot]

Time machines do not exist so this is not an issue. What I am for is screening them before they get social security cards though. Read the thread and stop jumping to conclusions and wasting both our time.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
So now immigrants are sexual predators or criminals running from something, give me a break, this is lame fearmongering crap. Sure we need to screen people but this is pathetic.

There are screwed up people and criminals in every part of every society.

Even when the stats are put in front of your face, you will brush it aside as nothing. How can you "screen people" when they are sneaking in? You just proved my point, that there is no way to screen them unless they get a pen, an immigration form, and do it the legal way. Thanks, you just owned yourself.

Where did I saw we should not be screening people coming in? Ok then like I said, show me a quote or go away.

Nice try, but you're not wriggling out of this one so easy. So now you say you support screening people? Please enlighten us how this can be done with people hopping fences at 2am, swimming past the Coast Guard, or burrowing in tunnels under churches. Oh wait: you can't! The only way to do it is through the legal process. Now you are starting to see why illegals are a problem, eh?

Let me ask you, what is 1% of 10,000,000 people? 100,000, yup. That is roughly how many illegal criminals (who have committed crimes in their homeland) we have in this country. Yes, that's double the Irish illegals, I know.

 

[Steeplerot]

Go read the thread and quit coming up with this crap, from post #1 of the immigration issue thread I have been for accountability, and stemming the flow of people displaced to come up here has little to do with border security, depending on how we go about solving it.

This is a economic issue down in mexico not a security one on our side for the most part once again.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Time machines do not exist so this is not an issue. What I am for is screening them before they get social security cards though. Read the thread and stop jumping to conclusions and wasting both our time.

Sounds good.

Step 1:They get sent back.
Step 2: They start LEGAL immigration process.
Step 3: Upon approval, they get to be an American and get a SS card.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Time machines do not exist so this is not an issue. What I am for is screening them before they get social security cards though. Read the thread and stop jumping to conclusions and wasting both our time.

Sounds good.

Step 1:They get sent back.
Step 2: They start LEGAL immigration process.
Step 3: Upon approval, they get to be an American and get a SS card.

Ok, but that is a pipe dream. And we have been over why this scenerio is at least 20x in this forum.

Please, both of you get up to "sp33d" on the issue or quit being time wasters.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Time machines do not exist so this is not an issue. What I am for is screening them before they get social security cards though. Read the thread and stop jumping to conclusions and wasting both our time.

Sounds good.

Step 1:They get sent back.
Step 2: They start LEGAL immigration process.
Step 3: Upon approval, they get to be an American and get a SS card.

Ok, but that is a pipe dream. And we have been over why this scenerio is at least 20x in this forum.

Please, both of you get up to "sp33d" on the issue or quit being time wasters.

The only reason it is a pipe dream is because big companies don't want that. The CEOs that makes millions don't feel the negative net effect ILLEGAL immigrants place on the US economy. It will cost a lot upfront to deport those millions but the money drain will stop and we can recoup the loss.