Bigots United . . .

[DerwenArtos12]

I dare any one of you flag waiving pacifists to take a short trip out here to arizona. Live here for one month and simply conduct yourself in the same fasion you would at home and see if illegal immigration affects you in any way. The opinions of people from washington to new jersey have no place in this problem. I live in arizona, I have to deal with the illegal immigrants on a daily basis, they are on my roads and in my fast food restaurants. I'm one of the people who has to support them, not you people. Name a day in the last week and I can give you an example of them affecting me. Today I was just driving to work, on my day off, to pickup my paycheck and I was nearly sideswiped by one and not but 10 minutes later almost t-boned by another. Civil rights implies rights guarinteed to any CITIZEN of this great country, if you're not a citizen, you have no rights under the laws of this country. I am all for people seeking out a better life for themselves, that is what every one of our ancestors did but, I know for damn sure that mine did it legally.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Today I was just driving to work, on my day off, to pickup my paycheck and I was nearly sideswiped by one and not but 10 minutes later almost t-boned by another.

How did you know the other drivers were illegal immigrants?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
I dare any one of you flag waiving pacifists to take a short trip out here to arizona. Live here for one month and simply conduct yourself in the same fasion you would at home and see if illegal immigration affects you in any way. The opinions of people from washington to new jersey have no place in this problem.

In 1957 in Little Rock Arkansas, most people agreed with what your saying here. Almost Fifty years later most of us look at those 9 students as heros.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
I dare any one of you flag waiving pacifists to take a short trip out here to arizona. Live here for one month and simply conduct yourself in the same fasion you would at home and see if illegal immigration affects you in any way. The opinions of people from washington to new jersey have no place in this problem.

In 1957 in Little Rock Arkansas, most people agreed with what your saying here. Almost Fifty years later most of us look at those 9 students as heros.

This has nothing to do with race, those 9 students were american citizens and therefore protected by the rights that go with that, the border jumpers are not citizens, we do not collect taxes on their wages yet we give them money and food and a place to stay, they are a drain on our economy.

I know they were illegals because one did not have a license plate on his car, not a temp plate, not any plate and the other was a license plate from Mexico. In AZ, you have 10 days to transfer your drivers license and plates, thats how I know.

Where are you from Earl? What state? Does your state have a population of illegal immigrants nearing 30%? Do you have non-citizens in your state that deal drugs on middle school campuses? Do you have illegal immigrants that come here to work and send 50% of the money they make back to mexico, a further drain on our economy? Have you ever been t-boned by an illega immigrant going 45 miles an hour with no insurance who, escaped any kind of responsibility for his actions by just driving a couple hours south back to mexico?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
This has nothing to do with race, those 9 students were american citizens and therefore protected by the rights that go with that, the border jumpers are not citizens, we do not collect taxes on their wages yet we give them money and food and a place to stay, they are a drain on our economy.

Those students did not have those rights until some guys in another state decided that it would be best for America is what I'm trying to say. How do you think it turned out?

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
This has nothing to do with race, those 9 students were american citizens and therefore protected by the rights that go with that, the border jumpers are not citizens, we do not collect taxes on their wages yet we give them money and food and a place to stay, they are a drain on our economy.

Those students did not have those rights until some guys in another state decided that it would be best for America is what I'm trying to say. How do you think it turned out?

I know how it turned out, it's a matter of historical fact but, they are completely different situations. African Americans are Americans. This is not a matter of civil rights. Latino or Hispanic Americans are americans and have their civil rights, mexicans(a citizen of the country of mexico) do not have the same rights as any american and should not.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
I know how it turned out, it's a matter of historical fact but, they are completely different situations. African Americans are Americans. This is not a matter of civil rights. Latino or Hispanic Americans are americans and have their civil rights, mexicans(a citizen of the country of mexico) do not have the same rights as any american and should not.

I don't have the answer to your illegals problem. But I'm willing to bet a bunch of

of people from washington to new jersey have no place in this problem.

are going to give them amnesty, and then your just going to have to deal with more Hispanic Americans driving crazy with no plates. And other people driving bad with out of state plates.
Who knows, maybe one day people will look back on it (like the civil rights movement) and think it was a good thing. Or not?
Meanwhile, I hope you don't get t-boned


ps- When you see this going on

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Do you have non-citizens in your state that deal drugs on middle school campuses?

you should give the police a call, they love a good bust like that

 

[DerwenArtos12]

The school campus I was refering to is just two blocks from my gramma's house where my dad went to grade school almost 40 years ago and there are drug busts within a one mile raduis multiple times a week. I've spent many nights at her house and a night where screaming, gunshots or a drug bust pretty much don't exist. That particular grade school also hase one english class per grade versus 3 ESL(english as a second language) classes. If that is not a perfect example of how illegal immigrants are a drain on our sosciety/economy I don't know what is. The public education system here in AZ has become a joke. I blame it on two things: teacher salaries are as low here as any other state in the union, if not lower, and that easily 1/3 of our highschool graduates read at a 9th grade level and with they way they speak english, even that gradelevel is amaizing. I work at a car dealership and we have as many latino/hispanic americans employed as we do every other race combined and I have no problem with a single one of them, every one of them moved here legally, some more than 20 years ago and some less than 20 days ago(literally) and every one of them is either a citizen or a green card holder and all but one speak english, fluently, and the one that doesn't tries, I know that because when we're talking, he'll often stop me to explain what I said. Those are the type of people who should be immigrating here and who I am happy to work with, I would prefer any one of them watching my back to some of the white people on my team.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

bah, forget it. I know where I stand, and it has NOTHING to do with race, regardless of how many times Steeplerot says so.

Oh course not, the law is a great way to hide behind this issue.

This is why this illegal arguement is pounded into the racist part of america, it's a easy cop-out.

Trust me, the average germans had their own cop-outs just like this to condemn the jews.

I mean it was "the law" and has nothing to do with race. riiight, same deal as labeling muslims insane, just another easy way to dehumanize for your own agenda.

ahahaha, you're an idiot, go end your self.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Today I was just driving to work, on my day off, to pickup my paycheck and I was nearly sideswiped by one and not but 10 minutes later almost t-boned by another.

How did you know the other drivers were illegal immigrants?

Does it really matter? Because, when you get down to it, you're missing the entire meaning behind his statement. The fact is that most people who are against illegal immigration are so ticked off about the issue that anyone who looks like they could be an illegal IS an illegal from their perspective. You can blame the illegal immigrants and those who allow it for this new breed of hate mongering.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Today I was just driving to work, on my day off, to pickup my paycheck and I was nearly sideswiped by one and not but 10 minutes later almost t-boned by another.

How did you know the other drivers were illegal immigrants?

Because they looked 'mexican' I'm sure. Racial profiling FTW!

 

[CaptnKirk]

The Gathering

We're not trying to be more mainstream ? mainstream has found us," said Stephen Eichler, the group's executive director. "They're saying, 'These guys actually have teeth, they don't all chew tobacco, they don't all have a gun rack in the back of their truck.' They're saying, `They believe what I believe,' and they're joining us."

Lisonbee, a registered Republican, said only one issue matters to her now.

"My vote will go to the candidate who's the toughest on immigration, whether they're Democrat or Republican," she said from her home in Orem, Utah. "Before, we were pretty much the types of people who would call our congressmen and not take to the streets. But that's all changed now."

The Minuteman Project first gained attention last year when Orange County resident and former tax accountant Jim Gilchrist helped lead its first 30-day patrol of the border in Arizona. The group has added mainstream political tools, including a network of local chapters and e-mail lobbying campaigns.

In December, Gilchrist, a former Republican, ran as a third-party candidate in a special House election in Orange County, Calif., finished a respectable third with 25 percent of the vote.

Since this spring's huge pro-immigrant rallies, 300 people nationwide have applied to start local chapters, according to Eichler. The group's goal is 500 chapters by December and a membership of 1 million within 1 1/2 years, Eichler said.

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Wow, 1 million in a nation of 300 million, that's a whole 1%

 

[DerwenArtos12]

If either of you two would bother reading the entirety of my posts you would know I had very good justifications for assuming they are illegals. Everyone who attacks the group of us who are trying to get the country back for it's citizens don't live in an area that is heavily affected by it, if even affected at all. And you're god damned right I'm pissed off about it, again, if you would bother to read all of my posts in this thread you would see I have GREAT reasons to be pissed off about it. You'd also read that I do not strickly racially profile all latino/hispanic people into the illegal category. You want to see racial profiling, look at your own statements. "Because they looked 'mexican' I'm sure" mexican is a definition of citizenship, the only way you can look 'mexican' in on your green card, visa or passport. Mexicans are citizens of the country of mexico, latino's are people with heritage form latin america and hispanic people are able to trace their heritage to hispania, spain. Know what you're talking about before you decide to flame someone who does.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

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Wow, 1 million in a nation of 300 million, that's a whole 1%

It's 1/3 of 1% actually, and it doesn't take the entire country to cover 1000 miles of fenceline, 1/3 of 1% should do nicely.

 

[Mail5398]

Read about how Mexico treats their illegal immigrants.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_...3BYQr7sF;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-


Let's start raping them, taking all their money and then beating them. That's what Mexico does to their illegal immigrants.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Mail5398
Read about how Mexico treats their illegal immigrants.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_...3BYQr7sF;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-


Let's start raping them, taking all their money and then beating them. That's what Mexico does to their illegal immigrants.

Make them feel right at home.

 

[thecoroner]

From my own experience, so called "illegals" are much harder workers than "American workers."

Whenever I have someone, such as a plumber, come to my house, they well, redneck. Once, a stove repairman once talked about how he got drunk during Hurricane Katrina as he swore at the stove!

When my house had a new roof put on, the man we contracted to do the roof (who also put a roof on the local Catholic school), was using hispanic workers (I won't calll them Mexicans because they could be Americans or from another hispanic country). They worked harder and were more polite than any worker I've seen.

Jobs should be based on who's willing to work the hardest. America is all about working hard. If one man is willing to work harder than another, he is more deserving of a job.

Besides that, our country wouldn't survive without cheap labor. If you go back in history, you'll find tons of instances of cheap labor such as slaves in the south, children in cities, and immigrants.

People who are against "illegals" need to open their eyes and take a look at their family trees. Where the hell do you think all Americans came from? Definately not from the United States!

 

[Mail5398]

My response to those who like cheap labor. Do not come on here and complain when you can't get more than $10 an hour.

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


t's bad enough that I must pay for the underprevileged within my own country

You show right there how you do things to help but you really only do them for your own self-serving reasons as you don't really want to shooting yourself in the foot with the martyr stor in your next post..

Textbook case of a selfish person, and this country is overun by this. Matter of fact people celebrate it through right-wing pundits you are so fond of, it comes as no surprise.

Being selfish is the best and most worthy way to live. Giving something for nothing always has another motive. Ann Ryand's books (esp. Atlas Shrugged) are great books.

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: JacobJ
I would say the "illegality" of what defines "Them" is only valid from an ignorant perspective. These are people -- they are not defined by laws. Laws are irrelevant in the definition of who they are.

I literally laughed when I read this.

Me too. It's a sentence written by someone with no reason and no sense of accountability.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Like a bad penny . . . it's back with a vengance


It's a fact, Jack

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Like a bad penny . . . it's back with a vengance


It's a fact, Jack

LOL, this is newsworthy in your opinion? From YOUR article:

The building tension over illegal immigration's impact on America comes at a time when the FBI says that the number of hate-crime victims in 2004 ? the last year for which figures are available ? was 9,528, up nearly 5% from 2003.

The numbers don't approach the 12,020 hate-crime victims reported in 2001, when there were a rash of attacks against Muslims across the nation in the weeks after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Let's see, the FBI says that hate crime is up 5% from 2003. The number of illegals is up at least that since 2003. And your point is??

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Like a bad penny . . . it's back with a vengance


It's a fact, Jack

LOL, this is newsworthy in your opinion? From YOUR article:

The building tension over illegal immigration's impact on America comes at a time when the FBI says that the number of hate-crime victims in 2004 ? the last year for which figures are available ? was 9,528, up nearly 5% from 2003.

The numbers don't approach the 12,020 hate-crime victims reported in 2001, when there were a rash of attacks against Muslims across the nation in the weeks after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Let's see, the FBI says that hate crime is up 5% from 2003. The number of illegals is up at least that since 2003. And your point is??

His point is that he is attempting to revive an old thread with useless information and tell us that we're all bigots if we're against illegals. Yet another illegal sympathizer who pulls the race card when it has no relevance in this debate.

And please fix the title of this thread, it's BIGOTS not BIGGOTS. How old are you? Amazing that a thread can go for 11 pages and this guy still hasn't fixed it.

 

[CaptnKirk]

OK Speedy - fixed the 'Spelling Nazi' thing for you -

Now on to more refined Nazis.


The retrevial now, as the origin way back a month ago - is and was to point out that hate groups and paranoids
are using this as a ralling point to expand their narrowminded and BIGOTED agenda.

Do you think that just last Tuesday some 11 million (or as Pat Buchanan says 30 Million) mexicans swam the Rio Grande ?

The Clinton Administration prosecuted 1900 businesses for hiring non-legal imigrants in 2000, while the
Bush Administration only went after 3 businesses last year for their hiring practices.

The 'Problem' isn't with the 'Mexicans' - the problem is with Corporate Americas exploitation of the system to get cheap labor.

Not jobs to cross for - no crossings gonna happen.

Hey, just like Nazi Germany - you have to rally your bigots to hate a common enemy so you can control them - read your history.

 

[Puffnstuff]

This is so retarded to call those who support enforcement of the law racist. Well let me just say that I'm not white and I want the law enforced. I want immigration laws enforced, I want lobbying laws over the congress enforced, I want our constitutional rights to unlawful search and siezure enforced and so on. I have black friends who want the law enforced, they aren't racist, they just want the government to abide by and enforce the law. Without a standard to live by there is no order and without order there is chaos.