Bill Bennett quote

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87
lmao this feeding frenzy is hilarious.

You have to admit it was a very foolish thing of him to say.

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Is anyone that damned him at first willing to listen and comment on his interview at foxnews.com on H & C? Besides, he stated that it was a morally reprehensible thing in the first place so I don't get the issue. He never stated anything that would lead a logical thinking person to say "He's racist" unless they just listened to the libs in congress only half quote his statement.

I can take any statement made by Ghandi and make him sound like a death loving Hitler if I don't use his statements in context. Not that I expect most people on this board to understand a statement can be true, negative AND not supported by the person that makes the statement. That would be insensitive and should never be spoken. It might offend someone that isn't able to use logic to understand what is being said.

Do you think the Black Community is going to look at it that way? As a spokesman and Champion for the Conservative movement in America I think it was a very stupid thing for him to say.

I work with 3 blacks (office of 30 employees of many nationalities). I will ask 2 of them that come in today at 9 Central and see what they think. I'll report back and let you know.

What do I think the outcome will be? They are educated and don't knee jerk so I am confident that they will not see anything wrong.

I will ask them the following questions:

1. What do you think of this quoted statement?
2. Should the person quoted have used "A single race or gender"?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
lmao this feeding frenzy is hilarious.

You have to admit it was a very foolish thing of him to say.

I havent read the entire thread but do we know what the caller was asking? And what his entire quote is? Selective quoting is lame.

Do you think the Black Community is going to look at it that way? As a spokesman and Champion for the Conservative movement in America I think it was a very stupid thing for him to say.

I dont expect them to given the current story. But once the feeding frenzy starts logic and reasoning goes out the door.

 

[Genx87]

1. What do you think of this quoted statement?
2. Should the person quoted have used "A single race or gender"?

I suggest finding the entire interview before showing them that quote.
Once you find the entire interview show them that. Then show them this flimsy article and ask what they think of selective quoting?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Is anyone that damned him at first willing to listen and comment on his interview at foxnews.com on H & C? Besides, he stated that it was a morally reprehensible thing in the first place so I don't get the issue. He never stated anything that would lead a logical thinking person to say "He's racist" unless they just listened to the libs in congress only half quote his statement.

I can take any statement made by Ghandi and make him sound like a death loving Hitler if I don't use his statements in context. Not that I expect most people on this board to understand a statement can be true, negative AND not supported by the person that makes the statement. That would be insensitive and should never be spoken. It might offend someone that isn't able to use logic to understand what is being said.

How about if he put it in a nice little wrapper like this:

"I think that you are a total f*ckwad and you mother is the spawn of some wh$re who should have been aborted. But, of course, I mean no offense by that statement because it would sound bad and could be taken the wrong way."

Would his negation of meaning any harm at the end of that sentence made the statement any less damning, rude, ignorant or just plain stupid?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I've heard the entire thing in context.

I don't really think Bennett's comment was racist (though I think he's a hypocritical, sanctimonious turd), but I do think it was almost unbelievably unwise, and was made largely to play to the racist sensibilities of a certain percentage of his audience (just as I think Rush's "Mayor Nager" comment was meant to be funny to the racists among his listener base).

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Is anyone that damned him at first willing to listen and comment on his interview at foxnews.com on H & C? Besides, he stated that it was a morally reprehensible thing in the first place so I don't get the issue. He never stated anything that would lead a logical thinking person to say "He's racist" unless they just listened to the libs in congress only half quote his statement.

I can take any statement made by Ghandi and make him sound like a death loving Hitler if I don't use his statements in context. Not that I expect most people on this board to understand a statement can be true, negative AND not supported by the person that makes the statement. That would be insensitive and should never be spoken. It might offend someone that isn't able to use logic to understand what is being said.

How about if he put it in a nice little wrapper like this:

"I think that you are a total f*ckwad and you mother is the spawn of some wh$re who should have been aborted. But, of course, I mean no offense by that statement because it would sound bad and could be taken the wrong way."

Would his negation of meaning any harm at the end of that sentence made the statement any less damning, rude, ignorant or just plain stupid?

Your post is half witted and deserves no reply other than... You made no sense with your analogy. You used a direct attack analogy against a general statement.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Is anyone that damned him at first willing to listen and comment on his interview at foxnews.com on H & C? Besides, he stated that it was a morally reprehensible thing in the first place so I don't get the issue. He never stated anything that would lead a logical thinking person to say "He's racist" unless they just listened to the libs in congress only half quote his statement.

I can take any statement made by Ghandi and make him sound like a death loving Hitler if I don't use his statements in context. Not that I expect most people on this board to understand a statement can be true, negative AND not supported by the person that makes the statement. That would be insensitive and should never be spoken. It might offend someone that isn't able to use logic to understand what is being said.

That was just the old "wink wink" trick.

Conservative host says" You know we need to kill all those lousy stinking lazy ni**ers"
Conservative host next says "Some people say that but I would never say that"
Ditto heads react to first sentance "You know he right. He just can't say it cause all that political correctness stuff goin' on out there"

 

[digiram]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Is anyone that damned him at first willing to listen and comment on his interview at foxnews.com on H & C? Besides, he stated that it was a morally reprehensible thing in the first place so I don't get the issue. He never stated anything that would lead a logical thinking person to say "He's racist" unless they just listened to the libs in congress only half quote his statement.

I can take any statement made by Ghandi and make him sound like a death loving Hitler if I don't use his statements in context. Not that I expect most people on this board to understand a statement can be true, negative AND not supported by the person that makes the statement. That would be insensitive and should never be spoken. It might offend someone that isn't able to use logic to understand what is being said.

Please explain his logic, and the context of his message. I'm willing to listen.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Is anyone that damned him at first willing to listen and comment on his interview at foxnews.com on H & C? Besides, he stated that it was a morally reprehensible thing in the first place so I don't get the issue. He never stated anything that would lead a logical thinking person to say "He's racist" unless they just listened to the libs in congress only half quote his statement.

I can take any statement made by Ghandi and make him sound like a death loving Hitler if I don't use his statements in context. Not that I expect most people on this board to understand a statement can be true, negative AND not supported by the person that makes the statement. That would be insensitive and should never be spoken. It might offend someone that isn't able to use logic to understand what is being said.

How about if he put it in a nice little wrapper like this:

"I think that you are a total f*ckwad and you mother is the spawn of some wh$re who should have been aborted. But, of course, I mean no offense by that statement because it would sound bad and could be taken the wrong way."

Would his negation of meaning any harm at the end of that sentence made the statement any less damning, rude, ignorant or just plain stupid?

Your post is half witted and deserves no reply other than... You made no sense with your analogy. You used a direct attack analogy against a general statement.

After reading it, you are right. The analogy is completely without merit against the type of statement that it was meant to be compared to. Allow me to rephrase:

"I think that, if you wanted to truly eliminate the chance of a social security deficit, we could just reinstitute slavery and not offer the blacks anything but a place to sleep without any chance of payment or retirement benefits. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your chances would go down."

the libs asked for a link to the article and they got one. now they have made every excuse why these stats are wrong. bennett's words were blunt, but they were true.
but the bleeding heart libs would rather you tell a lie under the guise of social justice.

He is trying to make his case on a bigoted, racists and ill-informed crowd in a bigoted, racist and ill-informed manner. If you would really dissect the stats, you would see that it is poverty, not race that dictates crime rates. I am willing to bet that, if you compare the percentage of whites that live at/below the poverty line with the number of crimes committed by whites, you will see just as big of a percentage as you do with blacks.

Just to prove what I am suggesting:

Poverty stats

Blacks outpace whites anywhere from 4:1 to 6:1 by these charts/graphs that are based on Census Bureau statistics. A more recent measure from 2003 has them at 3:1.

Let's compare that to the crime stats provided:

If you look at the breakdown from the DoJ here on the second page, you will see that the makeup of inmates in prisons was 36% white, 40.1% black.

Now look at the chart on page 6. It shows that whites in prison are more likely to have served a prior sentence. If you look at the chart on page 7, you will see that white also have a higher rate of prior alcohol use at the time of offense. On page 8, they have a higher rate of drug use.

What does all of this tell us? It tells us a crime is way more likely to be committed by a white person that is living in poverty than any other race. Considering you have to multiply the number of crimes committed by whites by 3:1 - 6:1 to make up for the ratio of blacks in poverty to whites. Also, can you tell me of a black serial killer? I think that whites seem to have a stranglehold (pun intended) on that sector of the criminal market at well.

As you can see, slyedog, this is no "denial" of the "stats". Merely putting them in context that maybe you could understand since you couldn't seem to do that with the other posts. I think that this is more than enough evidence to show that Bennett is completely wrong and you are completely ignorant for taking him at his word without doing any followup research.

Audio of Bennett (in context)

Edit: formatting error.

 

[conjur]

Not to be outdone by the AM radio talking heads, Alphonso R. Jackson, secretary of housing and urban development, during a visit with hurricane victims in Houston, said New Orleans would not reach its pre-Katrina population of "500,000 people for a long time," and "it's not going to be as black as it was for a long time, if ever again."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050929-114710-8545r.htm


A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: conjur
Not to be outdone by the AM radio talking heads, Alphonso R. Jackson, secretary of housing and urban development, during a visit with hurricane victims in Houston, said New Orleans would not reach its pre-Katrina population of "500,000 people for a long time," and "it's not going to be as black as it was for a long time, if ever again."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050929-114710-8545r.htm


A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days.

Yes I liked the audio from some dittohead at CNN when crying about NO.

"They are so poor, and they are so black"

Lets turn this thread into a selective quotefest.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Yes I liked the audio from some dittohead at CNN when crying about NO.

"They are so poor, and they are so black"

Lets turn this thread into a selective quotefest.

i've heard a fair amount of what bennett said around the exact statement in question and there is little doubt he's an idiot to even utter those words. i mean - can i say anything as long as i stick a POS disclaimer on the end and expect to not be judged on what i say? the context is pretty clear:

-talking about a relationship in the book "freakanomics" about abortion and crime rate
-bennett says it is garbage
-then bennett goes on to say what would lower crime is less black people

genius!!!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur
Not to be outdone by the AM radio talking heads, Alphonso R. Jackson, secretary of housing and urban development, during a visit with hurricane victims in Houston, said New Orleans would not reach its pre-Katrina population of "500,000 people for a long time," and "it's not going to be as black as it was for a long time, if ever again."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050929-114710-8545r.htm


A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days.

Yes I liked the audio from some dittohead at CNN when crying about NO.

"They are so poor, and they are so black"

Lets turn this thread into a selective quotefest.

That was Wolf Blitzer. Like I said, "A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days." Thanks for proving me right.

 

[cKGunslinger]

he's a conservative, what do you expect.

These guys get paid to say what all the conservatives think. I'm not surprised.

He is just your average Republican

this is basically why I have changed my tune on abortion. I've given in to the fact that most aborted babies are the offspring of undesireables, and have a high chance of themselves becoming undesireables.

Also, more abortions = less democrats so I'm all for that

WTF is wrong with you people? :disgust:

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur
Not to be outdone by the AM radio talking heads, Alphonso R. Jackson, secretary of housing and urban development, during a visit with hurricane victims in Houston, said New Orleans would not reach its pre-Katrina population of "500,000 people for a long time," and "it's not going to be as black as it was for a long time, if ever again."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050929-114710-8545r.htm


A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days.

Yes I liked the audio from some dittohead at CNN when crying about NO.

"They are so poor, and they are so black"

Lets turn this thread into a selective quotefest.

That was Wolf Blitzer. Like I said, "A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days." Thanks for proving me right.

If anyone can't see the differecnce between "they are so black" and "abort all black babies" you are missing a few brain cells.

 

[Spamela]

is this more of the fabled Republican "outreach" to the Black community?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur
Not to be outdone by the AM radio talking heads, Alphonso R. Jackson, secretary of housing and urban development, during a visit with hurricane victims in Houston, said New Orleans would not reach its pre-Katrina population of "500,000 people for a long time," and "it's not going to be as black as it was for a long time, if ever again."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050929-114710-8545r.htm


A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days.

Yes I liked the audio from some dittohead at CNN when crying about NO.

"They are so poor, and they are so black"

Lets turn this thread into a selective quotefest.

That was Wolf Blitzer. Like I said, "A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days." Thanks for proving me right.

If anyone can't see the differecnce between "they are so black" and "abort all black babies" you are missing a few brain cells.

If anyone cant see using selective quotes is lame you are missing your entire brain.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur
Not to be outdone by the AM radio talking heads, Alphonso R. Jackson, secretary of housing and urban development, during a visit with hurricane victims in Houston, said New Orleans would not reach its pre-Katrina population of "500,000 people for a long time," and "it's not going to be as black as it was for a long time, if ever again."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050929-114710-8545r.htm


A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days.

Yes I liked the audio from some dittohead at CNN when crying about NO.

"They are so poor, and they are so black"

Lets turn this thread into a selective quotefest.

That was Wolf Blitzer. Like I said, "A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days." Thanks for proving me right.

If anyone can't see the differecnce between "they are so black" and "abort all black babies" you are missing a few brain cells.

If anyone cant see using selective quotes is lame you are missing your entire brain.

Let me guess you never complained about Kerry Flip-Flopping then....

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur
Not to be outdone by the AM radio talking heads, Alphonso R. Jackson, secretary of housing and urban development, during a visit with hurricane victims in Houston, said New Orleans would not reach its pre-Katrina population of "500,000 people for a long time," and "it's not going to be as black as it was for a long time, if ever again."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050929-114710-8545r.htm


A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days.

Yes I liked the audio from some dittohead at CNN when crying about NO.

"They are so poor, and they are so black"

Lets turn this thread into a selective quotefest.

That was Wolf Blitzer. Like I said, "A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days." Thanks for proving me right.

If anyone can't see the differecnce between "they are so black" and "abort all black babies" you are missing a few brain cells.

If anyone cant see using selective quotes is lame you are missing your entire brain.

Let me guess you never complained about Kerry Flip-Flopping then....

Is flip-flopping the same as using a selective quote?

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: conjur
Not to be outdone by the AM radio talking heads, Alphonso R. Jackson, secretary of housing and urban development, during a visit with hurricane victims in Houston, said New Orleans would not reach its pre-Katrina population of "500,000 people for a long time," and "it's not going to be as black as it was for a long time, if ever again."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050929-114710-8545r.htm


A lot of foot-in-mouth disease going on on the right these days.

the bigot spigot runneth over

 

[shuan24]

that joke has been around longer than I can remember: what do you call a black woman having an abortion?














crimestoppers! :shocked:


disclaimer: It is definitely wrong for anybody to say that in a serious context. Racism is bad, mmkay?

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Is flip-flopping the same as using a selective quote?

When you take the quote out of context then it is.

Then bash the person about it

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Is anyone that damned him at first willing to listen and comment on his interview at foxnews.com on H & C? Besides, he stated that it was a morally reprehensible thing in the first place so I don't get the issue. He never stated anything that would lead a logical thinking person to say "He's racist" unless they just listened to the libs in congress only half quote his statement.

I can take any statement made by Ghandi and make him sound like a death loving Hitler if I don't use his statements in context. Not that I expect most people on this board to understand a statement can be true, negative AND not supported by the person that makes the statement. That would be insensitive and should never be spoken. It might offend someone that isn't able to use logic to understand what is being said.

That was just the old "wink wink" trick.

Conservative host says" You know we need to kill all those lousy stinking lazy ni**ers"
Conservative host next says "Some people say that but I would never say that"
Ditto heads react to first sentance "You know he right. He just can't say it cause all that political correctness stuff goin' on out there"

Damn that was way to predictable. The fathead Limbaugh took 2 minutes before he blamed it on political correctness.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: Genx87

Is flip-flopping the same as using a selective quote?

When you take the quote out of context then it is.

Then bash the person about it

I dont remember many Kerry quotes being taken out of context. Most of his were pretty blatenet. The quotes from the 70s imo were lame to use but his speeches on Saddam and on various news shows were pretty damning.