Bill Bennett quote

[conjur]

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Gotta love Genx87's comic relief!

 

[rickn]

who cares what the context was, the message was still the same. Obviously this idiot was still thinking it. maybe people should try harder to think before they speak.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: rickn
who cares what the context was, the message was still the same. Obviously this idiot was still thinking it. maybe people should try harder to think before they speak.

Context makes a big difference. You start snipping parts of somebody's speech or sentences and you can make what they were saying something it clearly isnt.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I dont remember many Kerry quotes being taken out of context. Most of his were pretty blatenet. The quotes from the 70s imo were lame to use but his speeches on Saddam and on various news shows were pretty damning.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Seriously laughing out loud at this one.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: Genx87

Is flip-flopping the same as using a selective quote?

When you take the quote out of context then it is.

Then bash the person about it

I dont remember many Kerry quotes being taken out of context. Most of his were pretty blatenet. The quotes from the 70s imo were lame to use but his speeches on Saddam and on various news shows were pretty damning.

Riiiiight...

The whole "He voted for the war then he did not" crap..

If you read the whole quote he supported the war but not how it was funded...

But you already knew that...

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: rickn
who cares what the context was, the message was still the same. Obviously this idiot was still thinking it. maybe people should try harder to think before they speak.

Context makes a big difference. You start snipping parts of somebody's speech or sentences and you can make what they were saying something it clearly isnt.

sure, you can make things sound worse if you nip and cut selective words, but this was his own words in a single sentence. His message was clear, and gives an view about what he thinks about blacks. He was thinking it, if he didn't believe in what he was saying he'd not have been thinking it! think before you speak!

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

he's a conservative, what do you expect.

These guys get paid to say what all the conservatives think. I'm not surprised.

He is just your average Republican

this is basically why I have changed my tune on abortion. I've given in to the fact that most aborted babies are the offspring of undesireables, and have a high chance of themselves becoming undesireables.

Also, more abortions = less democrats so I'm all for that

WTF is wrong with you people? :disgust:

I have always associated the Conservatives with racism and bigotry... just have.. I am not exactly sure why either

 

[NeoV]

Genx....lame lame lame

We've all read the ENTIRE discussion now - that doesn't change the fact that it was pretty assinine of him to say what he said, regardless of his attempt to tone it down in the next few sentences - you just don't say those type of things.

Stop defending him just because his views are typically in line with yours - what is it, contagious with you people? On the left and the right, people on your side DO IN FACT make mistakes, get over it.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
WTF is wrong with you people? :disgust:

I have always associated the Conservatives with racism and bigotry... just have.. I am not exactly sure why either

I suppose the fact that you at least recognize the irrationality of your beliefs is better than nothing.

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Is anyone that damned him at first willing to listen and comment on his interview at foxnews.com on H & C? Besides, he stated that it was a morally reprehensible thing in the first place so I don't get the issue. He never stated anything that would lead a logical thinking person to say "He's racist" unless they just listened to the libs in congress only half quote his statement.

I can take any statement made by Ghandi and make him sound like a death loving Hitler if I don't use his statements in context. Not that I expect most people on this board to understand a statement can be true, negative AND not supported by the person that makes the statement. That would be insensitive and should never be spoken. It might offend someone that isn't able to use logic to understand what is being said.

Do you think the Black Community is going to look at it that way? As a spokesman and Champion for the Conservative movement in America I think it was a very stupid thing for him to say.

I work with 3 blacks (office of 30 employees of many nationalities). I will ask 2 of them that come in today at 9 Central and see what they think. I'll report back and let you know.

What do I think the outcome will be? They are educated and don't knee jerk so I am confident that they will not see anything wrong.

I will ask them the following questions:

1. What do you think of this quoted statement?
2. Should the person quoted have used "A single race or gender"?

Alright... life imitates ATP&N (More on that at the end of this post.)

1. What do you think of this quoted statement?
coworker 1 "At first glance, it is damning but if you read it, it makes sense."
coworker 2 "I don't see anything wrong with it. I wouldn't have mentioned a race myself"

2. Should the person quoted have used "A single race or gender?"
Coworker 1 "That would have just pissed off the anti abortion crown but it would have been more politically correct.
Coworker 2 "No difference.

I am not blindly thinking that there wont be some people offended by his remark but then again, blind people bitched about the movie Magoo (I think is the name of it. Redo of the old cartoon).

Now onto what floored me and why it has taken me so long to post the "results". There is a woman on the other side of the cube where we were talking. She heard us talking about abortion and immediately went to the manager and told him that we were talking about abortion in a flippant manner and that it was offensive.

Short story about that is that the three of us are now scheduled for company sensitivity training. I find it pathetically ironic in the context of this discussion. Turns out that there is nothing you can talk about without burning in hell.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Soooooo......she ws fine with you talking about killing blacks....just not by way of abortion? Gotta love some of the pro-lifers.

 

[johnnobts]

i'm sick of all of this political correctness...

all political correctness does is censor people from hearing the truth and actually considering the truth. Dr. Bennet was making a blunt point, but it was also true (based on statistical facts). obviously he wasn't being serious, as we all know Dr. Bennet is already an "evil Republican" b/c he doesn't believe in abortion in the first place... get over it.

political correctness is the liberal way of suppressing freedom of speech and freedom of coversation.

 

[techs]

Bill Bennet is a seriously flawed human being. Assuming the role of self styled moralist for the country as Secretary of Education and then with his foundation to encourage morality while at the same time he was a compulsive gambler.
He should be pitied. And people should boycott his radio show so he can focus on his biggest problem.
Himself.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Soooooo......she ws fine with you talking about killing blacks....just not by way of abortion? Gotta love some of the pro-lifers.

Soooooo......discussing the insensitive comments of a radio talk-show host is now "talking about killing blacks" with your co-workers?

Maybe you and that pro-lifer should get together for a rousing game of "Jumping to Conclusions - Irrational Hyperbole Edition."

 

[johnnobts]

Bill Bennet is a seriously flawed human being...


show me a human being who is not seriously flawed... wait, i guess that would be jesus.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
WTF is wrong with you people? :disgust:

I have always associated the Conservatives with racism and bigotry... just have.. I am not exactly sure why either

I suppose the fact that you at least recognize the irrationality of your beliefs is better than nothing.

CK - do you agree with this statement:

Most racists are Republican, but most Republicans are not racist.

 

[johnnobts]

like saying most eco-terrorsits are democrats, but not all democrats are eco-terrorists.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
like saying most eco-terrorsits are democrats, but not all democrats are eco-terrorists.

Eco-terrorists? Are you talking about Greenpeace? They have nothing to do with the Democratic party.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
like saying most eco-terrorsits are democrats, but not all democrats are eco-terrorists.

I bet they are either Democrats or Anarchists.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
WTF is wrong with you people? :disgust:

I have always associated the Conservatives with racism and bigotry... just have.. I am not exactly sure why either

I suppose the fact that you at least recognize the irrationality of your beliefs is better than nothing.

CK - do you agree with this statement:

Most racists are Republican, but most Republicans are not racist.

I don't have too much trouble accepted that as a truth, no - just as long as you agree with the same type of comment about Democrats when changing "racists" to "infrequently-bathed, tree-hugging, vegetarian, pot-smokers."

Growing up in small, rural towns in the South, I've seen more than my fair share of racism and bigotry. And I've certainly seen it from a variety of people that encompass the entire political spectrum. Racism is a learned state of mind. It has little to do with politics, but many people who believe in self-reliance (limited social programs) also may have learned to associate certain races or cultures with cronically being "poor" or "requiring welfare." That's where the cross-over occurs.

I certainly don't think that the same relationship between racism and Conservativsm exists as, say, the one that could be drawn between priesthood and pedophilia. There's little to no cause-and-effect scenario in the former, IMO.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Soooooo......she ws fine with you talking about killing blacks....just not by way of abortion? Gotta love some of the pro-lifers.

Soooooo......discussing the insensitive comments of a radio talk-show host is now "talking about killing blacks" with your co-workers?

Maybe you and that pro-lifer should get together for a rousing game of "Jumping to Conclusions - Irrational Hyperbole Edition."

Amazing that you take something out of context while condemning others for taking Bennett's remarks out of context.

Now onto what floored me and why it has taken me so long to post the "results". There is a woman on the other side of the cube where we were talking. She heard us talking about abortion and immediately went to the manager and told him that we were talking about abortion in a flippant manner and that it was offensive.

That was the quote that prompted mine. Notice the bolded part? She was offended about abortion. The OP of that did not make any reference to her being offended by the racist remarks at all. Now, he and his coworkers have to go to sensitivity training because they were discussing abortion.

Hmmmm.....

racist remarks != problem
talk of abortion == major issues

I think that I just passed GO and want my $200! Or is that a different game?

 

[HomerJS]

If someone got on the radio and said, "I believe the federal leadership in this country has led us to hell in a handbasket and we would be better off if someone put a bullet in the head of (not going to say name). Now I would never really advocate that."

How long would it take the Secret Service to show up at that persons door? Their reason would be a perceived threat. They wouldn't care if it were qualified in the second sentance.

Bennett's statement is hostile, stupid and could be perceived threatening.

 

[digiram]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
i'm sick of all of this political correctness...

all political correctness does is censor people from hearing the truth and actually considering the truth. Dr. Bennet was making a blunt point, but it was also true (based on statistical facts). obviously he wasn't being serious, as we all know Dr. Bennet is already an "evil Republican" b/c he doesn't believe in abortion in the first place... get over it.

political correctness is the liberal way of suppressing freedom of speech and freedom of coversation.

It's funny that you mention that b/c the daily show and real time are all so politically correct.....rofl.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well as usual, people don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Some caller came on and argued FOR abortion, using the logic that it would lower the crime rate. The response from Bennett (which I heard) was that was a lousy argument for it. It would be like saying abortion would be justified if they aborted all black babies because it would lower crime. He used that as an absurd example that everyone would get as being reprehensible.

Bill Bennett happens to be RIGHT on this issue. It IS immoral to argue for abortion on this basis. He never argued for it, he argued against it. Most violent crime in the inner cities is caused by blacks. Get rid of them, and the crime goes away, just as if you lined them against the wall and shot everyone. No one argued for that as a way of crime control.

At least get your facts straight, and get off this PC BS.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Most violent crime in the inner cities is caused by blacks. Get rid of them, and the crime goes away, just as if you lined them against the wall and shot everyone.

replace crime with money and black with jew, and you'd be labeled anti-semetic for even thinking it. so that either makes you a racist just like Bill Bennett, or you don't know what you're talking about.

No one argued for that as a way of crime control.

he obviously gave it some thought, that is good enough motivation for me. Maybe people shouldn't stay stupid things, course then he'd have no show.