Originally posted by: her209
Since everyone speeds, should the speed limits be increased?Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
You also have to evaluate the repercussions of a law. Is it worse for society to criminalize and punish a large portion of society than to allow them to perform an action?
Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
Originally posted by: her209
Since everyone speeds, should the speed limits be increased?Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
You also have to evaluate the repercussions of a law. Is it worse for society to criminalize and punish a large portion of society than to allow them to perform an action?
Well, does having a speed limit save lives? Does it prevent injury? Does it on a whole provide a net benefit to society by existing? I'd say with the conditions of the roads here in the US, and the lack of driver training, it does.
I don't really see how the criminalization of marijuana provides the same net benefit to society.
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: zach0624
This is my view on pot.
Out of my school of 600 kids I could pick out everykid who smokes pot regularly and gaurantee with over 95% certainty that they get below a 1.5 GPA(which in my school is practically gauranteed if you show up). Pot is horrible for your lungs, according to my mom who is a doctor has no benefits over a prescription drug, and it ruins your motivation.
My uncle killed himself drinking and smoking pot and no matter what people say it is addicting, he even talked to me about this subject that he could never stop chasing his first high.
in stark contrast to that BS you just posted, 8 of the top 10 students in my HS, 4.0+ GPA all smoked weed daily, same at my college, the valedictorian smoked all the time, he also did shrooms and acid when he wanted, he?s now at Princeton getting his PHD in Physics
Its medicinal uses are well documented from relieving pain, helping with glaucoma, getting people to eat who have no appetite & eating disorders
your uncle prob killed himself because he was a depressed alcoholic which has nothing to do with weed
yar. buddy of mine back in HS woke up one Saturday morning, took a few b-hits, forgot he had to take the SAT in about 1 hour, stumbled in to the test site (hadn't even studied)...got a 1300.
It doesn't work that way for me though. It's great for generating ideas, but trying to put together coherent thoughts (esp in written form) are impossible for me while high. It's a very personal experience for me-so I just take notes and hope that I can translate them later, when sober
heh i got a 1340 still high on opium recovering from passing out in a pool of my own vomit the night before due to excessive booze consumption
Oh yeah? Well I got a 1420 the day after shooting up heroin, falling down a flight of stairs, and passing out in a pool of my own bloody vomit. The next day I had to run to school in the rain, got in just in time, and score! 1420 baby.
j/k
thing is im not joking, my brother found me in the bathroom as i kinda ran there and puked on the way in, he said it sounded like someone dumped a 5 gallon bucket on the floor, puke was everywhere, i had to repaint the fing bathroom, my sister and her then boyfriend now husband basically nursed me back to health/consciousness, as they had "delt with people like this in college" truth be told i was drunker then that had ever see anyone, and i easily could have gone to the ER and had my stomach pumped,
its the only time ive ever blacked out from drinking
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: sdifox
Tricky part would be enforcement. It is very easy to grow this stuff, there is a reason it is called weed.
Tobacco is a plant that is native to the US and grows like wildfire, comparable to corn and wheat. People still buy tobacco even though growing it is easier than owning a goldfish.
Yeah, but you won't find people going to steal tobacco leaves.
that's because it has such a value that people don't care.
To prevent a gray market of self-grown marijuana instead of corporate-produced material, I think prices need to be in line with cigarettes for that to happen, otherwise people are going to want to grow their own in order to control quality and production, and reap the profits. But if they don't have buyers because they are all buying the corporate product, then all they have done if grown it for themselves, and can anyone really care about that in the long run? It's like someone growing vegetables in the backyard instead of buying them at the grocery store in that scenario. The value is the important part... devalue it but keep it quality and people won't care enough to find gray market dealers when they can just stroll into any convenience store and ask for a pack of joints or material. Convenience will be the big seller.
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Originally posted by: wwswimming
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...08/04/06/CMQ7UH8IO.DTL
there was an article in the SF Chron today about Oaksterdam U.
one of the interesting details was that it put a number on the medical MJ
biz in California. around about $1 billion is getting reported to the board
of Equalizations, so i guess they're paying about $80 million in taxes.
the last time i saw a number on Mendocino, it was $10 billion (worth of
marijuana produced a year).
i think they should put a tax on it like 15%, collected by the medical
marijuana places.
with the state laying off all those teachers - let's say each teacher
costs the state $100K a year - $80 million, enough to pay the salaries
of 800 teachers. it's a start.
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: wwswimming
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...08/04/06/CMQ7UH8IO.DTL
there was an article in the SF Chron today about Oaksterdam U.
one of the interesting details was that it put a number on the medical MJ
biz in California. around about $1 billion is getting reported to the board
of Equalizations, so i guess they're paying about $80 million in taxes.
the last time i saw a number on Mendocino, it was $10 billion (worth of
marijuana produced a year).
i think they should put a tax on it like 15%, collected by the medical
marijuana places.
with the state laying off all those teachers - let's say each teacher
costs the state $100K a year - $80 million, enough to pay the salaries
of 800 teachers. it's a start.
That's fine and dandy until you realize that a 15% tax would severely impact many MMJ patients that are on social security/medicare.
If MJ were truly decriminalized, I would say MMJ = nontaxable, MJ = taxable
Originally posted by: deepred98
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: wwswimming
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...08/04/06/CMQ7UH8IO.DTL
there was an article in the SF Chron today about Oaksterdam U.
one of the interesting details was that it put a number on the medical MJ
biz in California. around about $1 billion is getting reported to the board
of Equalizations, so i guess they're paying about $80 million in taxes.
the last time i saw a number on Mendocino, it was $10 billion (worth of
marijuana produced a year).
i think they should put a tax on it like 15%, collected by the medical
marijuana places.
with the state laying off all those teachers - let's say each teacher
costs the state $100K a year - $80 million, enough to pay the salaries
of 800 teachers. it's a start.
That's fine and dandy until you realize that a 15% tax would severely impact many MMJ patients that are on social security/medicare.
If MJ were truly decriminalized, I would say MMJ = nontaxable, MJ = taxable
Lol a weed tax break/return would be awesome
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: wwswimming
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...08/04/06/CMQ7UH8IO.DTL
there was an article in the SF Chron today about Oaksterdam U.
one of the interesting details was that it put a number on the medical MJ
biz in California. around about $1 billion is getting reported to the board
of Equalizations, so i guess they're paying about $80 million in taxes.
the last time i saw a number on Mendocino, it was $10 billion (worth of
marijuana produced a year).
i think they should put a tax on it like 15%, collected by the medical
marijuana places.
with the state laying off all those teachers - let's say each teacher
costs the state $100K a year - $80 million, enough to pay the salaries
of 800 teachers. it's a start.
That's fine and dandy until you realize that a 15% tax would severely impact many MMJ patients that are on social security/medicare.
If MJ were truly decriminalized, I would say MMJ = nontaxable, MJ = taxable
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: wwswimming
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...08/04/06/CMQ7UH8IO.DTL
there was an article in the SF Chron today about Oaksterdam U.
one of the interesting details was that it put a number on the medical MJ
biz in California. around about $1 billion is getting reported to the board
of Equalizations, so i guess they're paying about $80 million in taxes.
the last time i saw a number on Mendocino, it was $10 billion (worth of
marijuana produced a year).
i think they should put a tax on it like 15%, collected by the medical
marijuana places.
with the state laying off all those teachers - let's say each teacher
costs the state $100K a year - $80 million, enough to pay the salaries
of 800 teachers. it's a start.
That's fine and dandy until you realize that a 15% tax would severely impact many MMJ patients that are on social security/medicare.
If MJ were truly decriminalized, I would say MMJ = nontaxable, MJ = taxable
I'm sure that a large number of people would gladly pay 15 % tax on it. That would be billions of dollars in tax revenue going to the states instead of drug dealers. That money would go towards funding roads, teachers, parks, and public schools.
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
Originally posted by: her209
Since everyone speeds, should the speed limits be increased?Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
You also have to evaluate the repercussions of a law. Is it worse for society to criminalize and punish a large portion of society than to allow them to perform an action?
Well, does having a speed limit save lives? Does it prevent injury? Does it on a whole provide a net benefit to society by existing? I'd say with the conditions of the roads here in the US, and the lack of driver training, it does.
I don't really see how the criminalization of marijuana provides the same net benefit to society.
That's what anyone with a shred of common sense realizes about the speed limit argument; it is a net benefit to society. Assuming everyone does 10+ mph over the current speed limits, if we raised those limits then everyone would just go 10+ mph over THOSE limits. Lower limits = lower speed overall = safer roads for everyone. They benefit everyone, even pedestrians.
Arresting a big chunk of the populace for possessing marijuana doesn't benefit anyone. Taxpayers have to pay to keep those people in prison, but most potheads aren't the criminal type so you're not really accomplishing anything by imprisoning them. If you're worried about criminals being imprisoned based on drug charges (because nothing else could be pinned on them), possession of other narcotics would still be illegal.
I have to say that decriminalization of marijuana would be a net benefit to society as a whole, and we haven't even gotten into the idea of personal freedom.
Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
Originally posted by: her209
Since everyone speeds, should the speed limits be increased?Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
You also have to evaluate the repercussions of a law. Is it worse for society to criminalize and punish a large portion of society than to allow them to perform an action?
Well, does having a speed limit save lives? Does it prevent injury? Does it on a whole provide a net benefit to society by existing? I'd say with the conditions of the roads here in the US, and the lack of driver training, it does.
I don't really see how the criminalization of marijuana provides the same net benefit to society.
That's what anyone with a shred of common sense realizes about the speed limit argument; it is a net benefit to society. Assuming everyone does 10+ mph over the current speed limits, if we raised those limits then everyone would just go 10+ mph over THOSE limits. Lower limits = lower speed overall = safer roads for everyone. They benefit everyone, even pedestrians.
Arresting a big chunk of the populace for possessing marijuana doesn't benefit anyone. Taxpayers have to pay to keep those people in prison, but most potheads aren't the criminal type so you're not really accomplishing anything by imprisoning them. If you're worried about criminals being imprisoned based on drug charges (because nothing else could be pinned on them), possession of other narcotics would still be illegal.
I have to say that decriminalization of marijuana would be a net benefit to society as a whole, and we haven't even gotten into the idea of personal freedom.
Exactly my point.
And think about the benefits to the legalization of marijuana. More than likely it would have similar laws as tobacco, maybe different but I think the underlying idea would be the same.
Big business would gladly step in to sell ready made high quality marijuana. I really don't know many smokers who whillingly grow their own bud anyways.
It typically would be safer, not to say marijuana you get from all drug dealers is unsafe, but you honestly don't know where they got it. With big business you would. And not just that, think of the tax revenues.
I concur. Even if someone thinks they are "addicted" to weed, it is psychological. They can be separated from it and only experience a few days of mild discomfort and withdrawal. Heroin, coke and meth withdrawals... eek. do not wantOriginally posted by: Ns1
Not to forget that smoking pot is not only addictive
Marijuana is not physically addictive in the same sense as heroin, coke, meth. It is mentally addictive just like sex, money, gambling, food, video games, etc, etc, etc.
Originally posted by: irishScott
Well let's see, what can I do for enjoyment?
I can smoke pot, or I can get out of my dorm, have a life, and play a pick up game of soccer. The latter sounds infinitely more appealing.
Same reason I don't understand people who get drunk. There are more enjoyable ways of stress relief, and if you think it's "fun" wait until I convince you that sticking a beer bottle up your ass will give you more pleasure than sex. I personally haven't convinced anyone of that fact, but I've seen it happen.
If people aren't strong enough to deal with their problems, let them go fuck themselves up. Intellectual darwinism ftw.