bill to decriminalize personal marijuana

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: irishScott
Well let's see, what can I do for enjoyment?

I can smoke pot, or I can get out of my dorm, have a life, and play a pick up game of soccer. The latter sounds infinitely more appealing.

Same reason I don't understand people who get drunk. There are more enjoyable ways of stress relief, and if you think it's "fun" wait until I convince you that sticking a beer bottle up your ass will give you more pleasure than sex. I personally haven't convinced anyone of that fact, but I've seen it happen.

If people aren't strong enough to deal with their problems, let them go fuck themselves up. Intellectual darwinism ftw.

Well newsflash mr. scott some people like alcohol because they enjoy it genuinely not because it is something to drown their sorrows in.

^^ Co-signed. I drink almost every weekend but don't drink to get drunk, I have some wine with my fiance or a couple of beers with some friends and that's it. Helps me wind down from a stressful work week and I'm not acting like an idiot, puking on things, starting fights, etc..

I hate when people act that the only reason people drink is to get sh!tfaced drunk. Studies have been done on red wine for instance that show a glass here and there is actually helpful.

 

[daveshel]

We can only hope. But maybe the state of the economy will dictate that we stop wasting money on enforcement, prosecution and incarceration.

 

[SirStev0]

Co-sponsoring the bill are Reps. Ron Paul (R-TX), Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) and Sam Farr (D-CA).

That's my boy.

Don't know if it could be really called bipartisan. Ron Paul just has common sense and classic republican standards. Something lacking from most current Republicans.

 

[effowe]

Originally posted by: irishScott
Well let's see, what can I do for enjoyment?

I can smoke pot, or I can get out of my dorm, have a life, and play a pick up game of soccer. The latter sounds infinitely more appealing.

Same reason I don't understand people who get drunk. There are more enjoyable ways of stress relief, and if you think it's "fun" wait until I convince you that sticking a beer bottle up your ass will give you more pleasure than sex. I personally haven't convinced anyone of that fact, but I've seen it happen.

If people aren't strong enough to deal with their problems, let them go fuck themselves up. Intellectual darwinism ftw.

You assume that people who smoke will just sit around and do nothing. Who's to say they can't smoke and enjoy the same activities you are talking about?

Originally posted by: sutahz
So dealers only sell pot? Oh wait, there's 1000 other drugs for them to sell and pollute the streats with.

It is about personal choice, doesn't mean it has to be legal. People make the choice to go out and kill 10 people randomly. Should that be legal? If someone makes the choice to buy/grow and partake in an illegal substance, that is their choice. The consequences are not their choice.

Your logic is flawed. Responsible smokers are only affecting themselves, they choose to do that and they know the consequences to their actions. Someone killing 10 people? That's no longer personal, that is bringing harm on others. You can't compare the two.

 

[sutahz]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Are you legitimately trying to compare mass murder to getting drunk/high?

I was using an extreem example of legality and freedom of choice, I wasn't making a direct comparison. As you mentioned drunk with high, it could be argued that drunk drivers (if all grouped together as a single entity) are a mass murderer. The act of drunk driving (and being drunk w/ a loaded fire arm) does kill a lot of people in this country every year.

Originally posted by: effowe

Your logic is flawed. Responsible smokers are only affecting themselves, they choose to do that and they know the consequences to their actions. Someone killing 10 people? That's no longer personal, that is bringing harm on others. You can't compare the two.

Responsible drinkers dont go out and drive drunk and kill people. Now, what of irresponsible smokers? Not everyone is responsible.

Originally posted by: Canai

Holy shit you can't be serious. I love it when some idiot who has never even met a dealer makes all sorts of sweeping generalizations. And to top it off, you compare it to murdering people randomly. Hats off to the asshat!

Yeah, damn me for never meeting a drug dealer (though I have). Really? I made a direct comparison? Hats off to you, you non-lazy pot head, you really did read the thread!

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: sutahz
So dealers only sell pot? Oh wait, there's 1000 other drugs for them to sell and pollute the streats with.

It is about personal choice, doesn't mean it has to be legal. People make the choice to go out and kill 10 people randomly. Should that be legal? If someone makes the choice to buy/grow and partake in an illegal substance, that is their choice. The consequences are not their choice.

What about the prescription drugs that are legal to deal? They have terrifying side effects and many only help relatively minor things like allergys, insomnia or restless leg, things that could probably be cured naturally through a better diet, yet they have side effects that could cause life long damage.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: gsellis
/A little revolution from time to time is a good thing.

i agree wholeheartedly.

 

[murphy55d]

Even if this were to pass what are the chances states would also not prosecute? All this does it take it out of the feds hands and put it into the states... which I do agree with, let the feds deal with more important matters. I don't smoke pot but I think I'd rather have the feds worry about other things.

 

[zoiks]

I hope it doesn't pass. Anyone who needs to smoke should move to Amsterdam.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: gsellis
/A little revolution from time to time is a good thing.

i agree wholeheartedly.

You say you want a revolution... well, you know... We all want to change the world.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: murphy55d
Even if this were to pass what are the chances states would also not prosecute? All this does it take it out of the feds hands and put it into the states... which I do agree with, let the feds deal with more important matters. I don't smoke pot but I think I'd rather have the feds worry about other things.

That's how it should be - let the states decide the law on this. Several states have already decriminalized it and / or allow it for medical use. This is where the problems arise - you may have it be legal in a state, but to the Fed it's still illegal. IMHO states should regulate this, not Feds. It would clear up room for more serious criminal activities to get concentrated on.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: sutahz
So dealers only sell pot? Oh wait, there's 1000 other drugs for them to sell and pollute the streats with.

It is about personal choice, doesn't mean it has to be legal. People make the choice to go out and kill 10 people randomly. Should that be legal? If someone makes the choice to buy/grow and partake in an illegal substance, that is their choice. The consequences are not their choice.

What about the prescription drugs that are legal to deal? They have terrifying side effects and many only help relatively minor things like allergys, insomnia or restless leg, things that could probably be cured naturally through a better diet, yet they have side effects that could cause life long damage.

^^ Co-signed, some of the side effects on prescription drugs are way worse, not to mention their effect on you. There are prescription drugs that are less beneficial in treating people with permanent pain symptoms (e.g. back injury) but are more addictive and have worse side effects.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: sutahz
So dealers only sell pot? Oh wait, there's 1000 other drugs for them to sell and pollute the streats with.

It is about personal choice, doesn't mean it has to be legal. People make the choice to go out and kill 10 people randomly. Should that be legal? If someone makes the choice to buy/grow and partake in an illegal substance, that is their choice. The consequences are not their choice.

Holy shit you can't be serious. I love it when some idiot who has never even met a dealer makes all sorts of sweeping generalizations. And to top it off, you compare it to murdering people randomly. Hats off to the asshat!

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: irishScott
Well let's see, what can I do for enjoyment?

I can smoke pot, or I can get out of my dorm, have a life, and play a pick up game of soccer. The latter sounds infinitely more appealing.

Same reason I don't understand people who get drunk. There are more enjoyable ways of stress relief, and if you think it's "fun" wait until I convince you that sticking a beer bottle up your ass will give you more pleasure than sex. I personally haven't convinced anyone of that fact, but I've seen it happen.

If people aren't strong enough to deal with their problems, let them go fuck themselves up. Intellectual darwinism ftw.

Well newsflash mr. scott some people like alcohol because they enjoy it genuinely not because it is something to drown their sorrows in.

While I do smoke on the computer, mostly during long games, when it's nice out I smoke and go discing, fishing, hiking etc... I'm not one of the lazy potheads.

 

[dbk]

I dream of a day when we can buy joints like cigarettes. Can I get a pack of Marlboro J's?

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: dbk
I dream of a day when we can buy joints like cigarettes. Can I get a pack of Marlboro J's?

Complete with tax upon tax? I'm all for it if it means you're paying my income taxes for me.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: dbk
I dream of a day when we can buy joints like cigarettes. Can I get a pack of Marlboro J's?

Hells no, I'm getting me some Camel J unfiltered.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: dbk
I dream of a day when we can buy joints like cigarettes. Can I get a pack of Marlboro J's?

that would be pretty amazing to see


@sutahz

it seems you have missed the point that people do drugs of whatever kind basicially BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, drug dealers are not forceing anyone to drugs, they exists simple because there are people that want them, and the number of people who want them is staggering . long gone is the "drug pusher" that is forceing people to try drugs. the supply exists because there is a demand.

this is the exact reason why the "War on Drugs" will always fail.

also all people that do drugs are not your sterotypicial drug addict burnt out loser, there are millions of working professionals who freely do them because they want to.

me getting home from work and lighting up a joint is not any different then someone going home after work and cracking open a beer (aside from MJ being illigal)


open your mind and think about it. being as closed minded as you come off is not a good thing

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dbk
I dream of a day when we can buy joints like cigarettes. Can I get a pack of Marlboro J's?

that would be pretty amazing to see


@sutahz

it seems you have missed the point that people do drugs of whatever kind basicially BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, drug dealers are not forceing anyone to drugs, they exists simple because there are people that want them, and the number of people who want them is staggering . long gone is the "drug pusher" that is forceing people to try drugs. the supply exists because there is a demand.

this is the exact reason why the "War on Drugs" will always fail.

also all people that do drugs are not your sterotypicial drug addict burnt out loser, there are millions of working professionals who freely do them because they want to.

me getting home from work and lighting up a joint is not any different then someone going home after work and cracking open a beer

<insert asinine MJ is illegal but alcohol isn't comment here>

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: dbk
I dream of a day when we can buy joints like cigarettes. Can I get a pack of Marlboro J's?

Complete with tax upon tax? I'm all for it if it means you're paying my income taxes for me.

Why not? Same deal as cigs and liqueur.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dbk
I dream of a day when we can buy joints like cigarettes. Can I get a pack of Marlboro J's?

that would be pretty amazing to see


@sutahz

it seems you have missed the point that people do drugs of whatever kind basicially BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, drug dealers are not forceing anyone to drugs, they exists simple because there are people that want them, and the number of people who want them is staggering . long gone is the "drug pusher" that is forceing people to try drugs. the supply exists because there is a demand.

this is the exact reason why the "War on Drugs" will always fail.

also all people that do drugs are not your sterotypicial drug addict burnt out loser, there are millions of working professionals who freely do them because they want to.

me getting home from work and lighting up a joint is not any different then someone going home after work and cracking open a beer

<insert asinine MJ is illegal but alcohol isn't comment here>

blah faster then my edit

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dbk
I dream of a day when we can buy joints like cigarettes. Can I get a pack of Marlboro J's?

that would be pretty amazing to see


@sutahz

it seems you have missed the point that people do drugs of whatever kind basicially BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, drug dealers are not forceing anyone to drugs, they exists simple because there are people that want them, and the number of people who want them is staggering . long gone is the "drug pusher" that is forceing people to try drugs. the supply exists because there is a demand.

this is the exact reason why the "War on Drugs" will always fail.

also all people that do drugs are not your sterotypicial drug addict burnt out loser, there are millions of working professionals who freely do them because they want to.

me getting home from work and lighting up a joint is not any different then someone going home after work and cracking open a beer

<insert asinine MJ is illegal but alcohol isn't comment here>

blah faster then my edit

I got stoner reflexes. I am quick like sloth.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: dbk
I dream of a day when we can buy joints like cigarettes. Can I get a pack of Marlboro J's?

Complete with tax upon tax? I'm all for it if it means you're paying my income taxes for me.

Why not? Same deal as cigs and liqueur.

Yeah. I'd have no problem paying a cannabis tax, as long as it wasn't disproportionate to the alcohol and tobacco taxes.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: irishScott
Well let's see, what can I do for enjoyment?

I can smoke pot, or I can get out of my dorm, have a life, and play a pick up game of soccer. The latter sounds infinitely more appealing.

Same reason I don't understand people who get drunk. There are more enjoyable ways of stress relief, and if you think it's "fun" wait until I convince you that sticking a beer bottle up your ass will give you more pleasure than sex. I personally haven't convinced anyone of that fact, but I've seen it happen.

If people aren't strong enough to deal with their problems, let them go fuck themselves up. Intellectual darwinism ftw.

Who says you can't smoke a spliff, get out of your dorm, have a life, AND play soccer?

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: irishScott
Well let's see, what can I do for enjoyment?

I can smoke pot, or I can get out of my dorm, have a life, and play a pick up game of soccer. The latter sounds infinitely more appealing.

Same reason I don't understand people who get drunk. There are more enjoyable ways of stress relief, and if you think it's "fun" wait until I convince you that sticking a beer bottle up your ass will give you more pleasure than sex. I personally haven't convinced anyone of that fact, but I've seen it happen.

If people aren't strong enough to deal with their problems, let them go fuck themselves up. Intellectual darwinism ftw.

Who says you can't smoke a spliff, get out of your dorm, have a life, AND play soccer?

don't bring logic into this, it makes arguing on the internet that much more difficult

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: waggy
to bad it has a snowballs chance in hell of passing.

yes in America possession of drugs is worse than raping and murdering