bill to decriminalize personal marijuana

[mitchel]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: sdifox
Tricky part would be enforcement. It is very easy to grow this stuff, there is a reason it is called weed.

Tobacco is a plant that is native to the US and grows like wildfire, comparable to corn and wheat. People still buy tobacco even though growing it is easier than owning a goldfish.

Yeah, but you won't find people going to steal tobacco leaves.

that's because it has such a value that people don't care.
To prevent a gray market of self-grown marijuana instead of corporate-produced material, I think prices need to be in line with cigarettes for that to happen, otherwise people are going to want to grow their own in order to control quality and production, and reap the profits. But if they don't have buyers because they are all buying the corporate product, then all they have done if grown it for themselves, and can anyone really care about that in the long run? It's like someone growing vegetables in the backyard instead of buying them at the grocery store in that scenario. The value is the important part... devalue it but keep it quality and people won't care enough to find gray market dealers when they can just stroll into any convenience store and ask for a pack of joints or material. Convenience will be the big seller.

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I'll get me some donuts, and a pack of Malboro Js. Thanks.

 

[mesthead21]

Originally posted by: mitchel

Originally posted by: mesthead21
Im all for it being legalized and all, but i started thinking. If it did get legalized (which wont happen for a lonnnnngggggg time) what would happen with the criminals in prison busted for distribution? Think about one day thousands of criminals just being let out of jail...

Lol. Since it's legal, wouldn't they be law abiding citizens?

I was mainly talking about the public. I know a lot of people would not be happy if thousands of drug dealers/criminals (regardless if they were a small or large time dealer) were just released from prison.

 

[zach0624]

This is my view on pot.

Out of my school of 600 kids I could pick out everykid who smokes pot regularly and gaurantee with over 95% certainty that they get below a 1.5 GPA(which in my school is practically gauranteed if you show up). Pot is horrible for your lungs, according to my mom who is a doctor has no benefits over a prescription drug, and it ruins your motivation.

My uncle killed himself drinking and smoking pot and no matter what people say it is addicting, he even talked to me about this subject that he could never stop chasing his first high.

 

[Captante]

Pot should be legalized for adult use ... not because it isn't bad for you, but because adults should be able to choose to use it if they want too & further because prohibition simply doesn't work.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I think sutahz took the marijuana PSA (featured during the cop conference) in Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas a little too seriously.

Voice of Drug Film Narrator: Know your dope fiend. You will not be able to see his eyes because of tea shades, but his knuckles will be white from inner tension and his pants will be crusted with semen from constantly jacking off when he can't find a rape victim.

 

[EarthwormJim]

Originally posted by: zach0624
This is my view on pot.

Out of my school of 600 kids I could pick out everykid who smokes pot regularly and gaurantee with over 95% certainty that they get below a 1.5 GPA(which in my school is practically gauranteed if you show up). Pot is horrible for your lungs, according to my mom who is a doctor has no benefits over a prescription drug, and it ruins your motivation.

My uncle killed himself drinking and smoking pot and no matter what people say it is addicting, he even talked to me about this subject that he could never stop chasing his first high.

Gambling is addicting, sex is addicting, pornography is addicting, alcohol is addicting, cigarettes are addicting...


Honestly the list of addicting substances or actions goes on and on. It's not a reason to outlaw something at the Federal level.

The fact is people get addicted to endorphins, and many of these substances or actions cause a release of them.

You should also look at the students with over a 4.0GPA. At my old High School, more than half regularly smoked weed.

There are already laws against drinking and driving anyways. Should we outlaw alcohol outright because people drink an drive?


And sutahz I think you have a real misunderstanding of our legal system, and the foundations that our laws are based upon. You don't outlaw everything unless you can prove it should be legal. It works the other way, nothing is outlawed unless it can be proven (detriment to society as a whole, etc...) it should be illegal. Laws need reason, and should never exist just because a person says so.

You also have to evaluate the repercussions of a law. Is it worse for society to criminalize and punish a large portion of society than to allow them to perform an action?

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: sutahz
Personal marijuana as opposed to corporate marijuana? Or perhaps military marjijuana?
I dont smoke, I do drink. If alcohol was made illegal again I'd be fine and not make a fuss. Why do people want more drugs in a country?
How do drugs (not prescription) benefit a society?

The main issue here is state vs. federal authority and who should have the right to regulate what. Personally IMHO the Fed should not be able to regulate drug laws that are only for that state. Everybody should be writing their representatives to help this bill along so that it gets some headway.

Those letters won't do jack shit... unless you wrote them on solid gold tablets. That might get the job done. Or maybe if the letters were written on dozens of sheets of freshly printed hundred dollar bills.

The bill was only proposed because the representative (D from MA) made a campaign promise and actually meant it! I think the fact that a politician really kept a campaign promise is what's remarkable here.

Unfortunately, the bill has no chance in hell of passing. Too many politicians on both sides of the divide are anti-drug for whatever reason. It's about freedom. DUI = Driving Under the Influence, and that doesn't just apply to alcohol. There's no reason for us to waste so much on a practically harmless substance like marijuana.

To the people who oppose this legislation: Stop taking my tax money and using it to fund your illegitimate war on marijuana. You're free to throw away as much of your own money as you want on stupid causes.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TwiceOver

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Until there is a pot breathalizer, it will never be legal. After that invention, legzalize and tax the hell out of it.

I'm not following your logic.

If cops pull you over and says "You are stoned" you have no recourse causing a whole bunch of "I had one hit" lawsuits.

Once there is a way of saying "You are too stoned to drive" then that will satisfy MADD and then it could be legalized.

I had a friend that got a "Driving under the influence of a controlled substance" because he tested positive during a piss test. He hadn't smoked any that day.

Well thats never gonna happen because other than reeking like it there is no discernable way to tell definitively upon being pulled over.

But thats assuming the fact that they've prove beyond a ddoubt that operating a vehicle after toking has severely impaired drivers and caused many many deaths and injuries. Which won't ever happen because it simply isn't true.

Wait a minute, I'm all for legalization, but don't think for a second that it is safe to get high and take a drive. There is nothing at all wrong IMO with smoking recreationally, you feel less stressed, and I've never met an angry pot-head (not so with raging alcoholics) but driving under the influence of any controlled substance is not a good idea, DD FTW!

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TwiceOver

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Until there is a pot breathalizer, it will never be legal. After that invention, legzalize and tax the hell out of it.

I'm not following your logic.

If cops pull you over and says "You are stoned" you have no recourse causing a whole bunch of "I had one hit" lawsuits.

Once there is a way of saying "You are too stoned to drive" then that will satisfy MADD and then it could be legalized.

I had a friend that got a "Driving under the influence of a controlled substance" because he tested positive during a piss test. He hadn't smoked any that day.

Well thats never gonna happen because other than reeking like it there is no discernable way to tell definitively upon being pulled over.

But thats assuming the fact that they've prove beyond a ddoubt that operating a vehicle after toking has severely impaired drivers and caused many many deaths and injuries. Which won't ever happen because it simply isn't true.

Wait a minute, I'm all for legalization, but don't think for a second that it is safe to get high and take a drive. There is nothing at all wrong IMO with smoking recreationally, you feel less stressed, and I've never met an angry pot-head (not so with raging alcoholics) but driving under the influence of any controlled substance is not a good idea, DD FTW!

^^ Co-signed. I can't think of anybody that I know that would advocate driving while under the influence of any substance whether it be legal or otherwise. I myself wouldn't even drive if I had cough syrup or drank theraflu when I had a severe cold, just because theraflu throws off my sense of balance (over the counter and completely legal mind you).

 

[mitchel]

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[mitchel]

Originally posted by: mitchel

Originally posted by: zach0624
This is my view on pot.

Out of my school of 600 kids I could pick out everykid who smokes pot regularly and gaurantee with over 95% certainty that they get below a 1.5 GPA(which in my school is practically gauranteed if you show up). Pot is horrible for your lungs, according to my mom who is a doctor has no benefits over a prescription drug, and it ruins your motivation.

My uncle killed himself drinking and smoking pot and no matter what people say it is addicting, he even talked to me about this subject that he could never stop chasing his first high.

Drinking was your uncle's problem.

And wtf you don't chase your first high on pot. Maybe your uncle had some heroin issues that he just didn't tell you about.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: mitchel

Originally posted by: mitchel

Originally posted by: zach0624
This is my view on pot.

Out of my school of 600 kids I could pick out everykid who smokes pot regularly and gaurantee with over 95% certainty that they get below a 1.5 GPA(which in my school is practically gauranteed if you show up). Pot is horrible for your lungs, according to my mom who is a doctor has no benefits over a prescription drug, and it ruins your motivation.

My uncle killed himself drinking and smoking pot and no matter what people say it is addicting, he even talked to me about this subject that he could never stop chasing his first high.

Drinking was your uncle's problem.

And wtf you don't chase your first high on pot. Maybe your uncle had some heroin issues that he just didn't tell you about.

WTF you quoted yourself?

I agree, drinking was the problem, not pot. Chances are zach's uncle was just trying to scare him out of any drug use at all. I wouldn't claim that marijuana is a "gateway drug" but some people are certainly predisposed to addictive substances, and those people might get sucked into worse drugs. I think it's a very small percentage of the population but have no way of proving it.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Any thread about personal freedom amazes me by the turnout of selfish people who think their hobbies and past-times are the only ones that people should enjoy.

It's also amazing how the people who are usually very vocal about how much they support freedom in fact don't support marijuana decriminalization. I don't get it. How can someone support freedom and demand a nanny state at the same time?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
You also have to evaluate the repercussions of a law. Is it worse for society to criminalize and punish a large portion of society than to allow them to perform an action?

Since everyone speeds, should the speed limits be increased?

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: mitchel

Originally posted by: mesthead21
Im all for it being legalized and all, but i started thinking. If it did get legalized (which wont happen for a lonnnnngggggg time) what would happen with the criminals in prison busted for distribution? Think about one day thousands of criminals just being let out of jail...

Lol. Since it's legal, wouldn't they be law abiding citizens?

Most distributors aren't just busted for pot, either. Charges of possession and sale for harder substances would still stand.

 

[Thetech]

Originally posted by: irishScott
Well let's see, what can I do for enjoyment?

I can smoke pot, or I can get out of my dorm, have a life, and play a pick up game of soccer. The latter sounds infinitely more appealing.

Same reason I don't understand people who get drunk. There are more enjoyable ways of stress relief, and if you think it's "fun" wait until I convince you that sticking a beer bottle up your ass will give you more pleasure than sex. I personally haven't convinced anyone of that fact, but I've seen it happen.

If people aren't strong enough to deal with their problems, let them go fuck themselves up. Intellectual darwinism ftw.

You know what, I agree with you on some points and I've known people who just smoke up all day.

@Everyone else, please not that he said people who get drunk not people who have a few drinks.


I feel that any arguement here is futile, because for one smokers will smoke and you can tell most people everything in the world and they still don't want to hear it.
Besides how would people feel about other non-prescription drugs becoming legal? I feel that even some MJ Smokers would object and even state what's been said about their drug of choice towards other drugs.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: mesthead21
Im all for it being legalized and all, but i started thinking. If it did get legalized (which wont happen for a lonnnnngggggg time) what would happen with the criminals in prison busted for distribution? Think about one day thousands of criminals just being let out of jail...

Laws cannot be applied retroactively, ex post facto law.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: slayer202

Originally posted by: sutahz
Personal marijuana as opposed to corporate marijuana? Or perhaps military marjijuana?
I dont smoke, I do drink. If alcohol was made illegal again I'd be fine and not make a fuss. Why do people want more drugs in a country?
How do drugs (not prescription) benefit a society?

your intelligence amazes me. personal marijuana as in marijuana you are smoking yourself, in a limited quantity, as opposed to a drug dealer's stash. and if you're just trying to be funny, you failed

His sense of humor is...lacking.

 

[mitchel]

Originally posted by: Thetech

Originally posted by: irishScott
Well let's see, what can I do for enjoyment?

I can smoke pot, or I can get out of my dorm, have a life, and play a pick up game of soccer. The latter sounds infinitely more appealing.

Same reason I don't understand people who get drunk. There are more enjoyable ways of stress relief, and if you think it's "fun" wait until I convince you that sticking a beer bottle up your ass will give you more pleasure than sex. I personally haven't convinced anyone of that fact, but I've seen it happen.

If people aren't strong enough to deal with their problems, let them go fuck themselves up. Intellectual darwinism ftw.

You know what, I agree with you on some points and I've known people who just smoke up all day.

@Everyone else, please not that he said people who get drunk not people who have a few drinks.


I feel that any arguement here is futile, because for one smokers will smoke and you can tell most people everything in the world and they still don't want to hear it.
Besides how would people feel about other non-prescription drugs becoming legal? I feel that even some MJ Smokers would object and even state what's been said about their drug of choice towards other drugs.

Well, personally I would like to see all substances legalized and taxed. That money can then be used for treatment. But since there's no way that is going to happen in my life time, I'll stick with the push for legalization of cannabis.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim.

But thats assuming the fact that they've prove beyond a ddoubt that operating a vehicle after toking has severely impaired drivers and caused many many deaths and injuries. Which won't ever happen because it simply isn't true.

I don't know about that. I drove while high just last week and I can say with absolute confidence that I was severely impaired. We ended up stopping at a Wendy's, getting some food, and walking around for about an hour until I felt I was capable of driving again.

Well then you're an idiot

Weed impairs motor functions. Your reaction time is slower and your driving performance suffers as a consequence. That's a fact. You shouldn't drive after toking up.

He's an idiot for pulling over and waiting until he was sober again? You're so utterly asinine. By your logic, once a drunk driver gets behind the wheel they shouldn't stop for ANY reason even if they feel it would be safer to wait and sober up.

Go die in a fire, seriously.

 

[Thetech]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: 40Hands
I'm surprised he hasn't yet "thought of the children!" :laugh:

I'm surprised he hasn't found a connection to terrorism.

In a way there is, don't forget that not all of the pot is grown in your backyard, pot (and other drugs whether prescription or not) also comes from drug cartels.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim.

But thats assuming the fact that they've prove beyond a ddoubt that operating a vehicle after toking has severely impaired drivers and caused many many deaths and injuries. Which won't ever happen because it simply isn't true.

I don't know about that. I drove while high just last week and I can say with absolute confidence that I was severely impaired. We ended up stopping at a Wendy's, getting some food, and walking around for about an hour until I felt I was capable of driving again.

Well then you're an idiot

Weed impairs motor functions. Your reaction time is slower and your driving performance suffers as a consequence. That's a fact. You shouldn't drive after toking up.

He's an idiot for pulling over and waiting until he was sober again? You're so utterly asinine. By your logic, once a drunk driver gets behind the wheel they shouldn't stop for ANY reason even if they feel it would be safer to wait and sober up.

Go die in a fire, seriously.

No moron, he was an idiot for getting in the car in the first place.

by my logic, you shouldn't get in the car if you're not fit to drive: drunk, high, tired, whatever.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim.

But thats assuming the fact that they've prove beyond a ddoubt that operating a vehicle after toking has severely impaired drivers and caused many many deaths and injuries. Which won't ever happen because it simply isn't true.

I don't know about that. I drove while high just last week and I can say with absolute confidence that I was severely impaired. We ended up stopping at a Wendy's, getting some food, and walking around for about an hour until I felt I was capable of driving again.

Well then you're an idiot

Weed impairs motor functions. Your reaction time is slower and your driving performance suffers as a consequence. That's a fact. You shouldn't drive after toking up.

He's an idiot for pulling over and waiting until he was sober again? You're so utterly asinine. By your logic, once a drunk driver gets behind the wheel they shouldn't stop for ANY reason even if they feel it would be safer to wait and sober up.

Go die in a fire, seriously.

No moron, he was an idiot for getting in the car in the first place.

by my logic, you shouldn't get in the car if you're not fit to drive: drunk, high, tired, whatever.

Hey dipshit, he's still smart enough to realize that he can't drive. He didn't realize it until he got behind the wheel. He made a mistake and corrected it. Obviously he shouldn't have gotten behind the wheel in the first place, but he pulled over and waited to get sober again.

An asshole like you has never made a mistake before, right?

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim.

But thats assuming the fact that they've prove beyond a ddoubt that operating a vehicle after toking has severely impaired drivers and caused many many deaths and injuries. Which won't ever happen because it simply isn't true.

I don't know about that. I drove while high just last week and I can say with absolute confidence that I was severely impaired. We ended up stopping at a Wendy's, getting some food, and walking around for about an hour until I felt I was capable of driving again.

Well then you're an idiot

Weed impairs motor functions. Your reaction time is slower and your driving performance suffers as a consequence. That's a fact. You shouldn't drive after toking up.

He's an idiot for pulling over and waiting until he was sober again? You're so utterly asinine. By your logic, once a drunk driver gets behind the wheel they shouldn't stop for ANY reason even if they feel it would be safer to wait and sober up.

Go die in a fire, seriously.

No moron, he was an idiot for getting in the car in the first place.

by my logic, you shouldn't get in the car if you're not fit to drive: drunk, high, tired, whatever.

Hey dipshit, he's still smart enough to realize that he can't drive. He didn't realize it until he got behind the wheel. He made a mistake and corrected it. Obviously he shouldn't have gotten behind the wheel in the first place, but he pulled over and waited to get sober again.

An asshole like you has never made a mistake before, right?

That doesn't make it any less stupid. I smoke. Alot. And I know WELL before I ever step inside a car if I'm ok or not to drive.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim.

But thats assuming the fact that they've prove beyond a ddoubt that operating a vehicle after toking has severely impaired drivers and caused many many deaths and injuries. Which won't ever happen because it simply isn't true.

I don't know about that. I drove while high just last week and I can say with absolute confidence that I was severely impaired. We ended up stopping at a Wendy's, getting some food, and walking around for about an hour until I felt I was capable of driving again.

Well then you're an idiot

Weed impairs motor functions. Your reaction time is slower and your driving performance suffers as a consequence. That's a fact. You shouldn't drive after toking up.

He's an idiot for pulling over and waiting until he was sober again? You're so utterly asinine. By your logic, once a drunk driver gets behind the wheel they shouldn't stop for ANY reason even if they feel it would be safer to wait and sober up.

Go die in a fire, seriously.

No moron, he was an idiot for getting in the car in the first place.

by my logic, you shouldn't get in the car if you're not fit to drive: drunk, high, tired, whatever.

Hey dipshit, he's still smart enough to realize that he can't drive. He didn't realize it until he got behind the wheel. He made a mistake and corrected it. Obviously he shouldn't have gotten behind the wheel in the first place, but he pulled over and waited to get sober again.

An asshole like you has never made a mistake before, right?

That doesn't make it any less stupid. I smoke. Alot. And I know WELL before I ever step inside a car if I'm ok or not to drive.

was this because you had made a mistake in the past and learned the point where you can and cannot?
And by that logic, it sounds like you have driven after smoking.
I'm not bashing that, because I know that people can drive, depending if they have smoked a lot or just some.
Some people are able to determine whether they are super stoned or not based merely on how they feel, while others don't know how gone they are until they attempt to do something. That comes down to what type of mind they have, like a visual memory or something... something along those lines. Dig? lol

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