Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
For all you people that liked Bioshock have you played played System Shock 2?
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: ayabe
the only people who don't like Bioshock are those who don't value atmosphere, story, character development, etc. over "other priorities". Trying to say Doom 3 or FC are far and away better games is pretty laughable, both had mediocre stories with no overarching theme, just shoot 'em ups.
But hey if that's your thing then so be it. You have to try a little harder in Bioshock, enjoy exploring and can invest yourself emotionally into the game. If you're not capable of doing this, then you won't get much out of it and I suggest you stick to vanilla shooters.
I almost laughed at your post until I knew you was actually being serious :shocked: ,you want the above I suggest you try System Shock 2,something that game is far superior to Bioshock,sad that standards and reviewers for gaming (including Bioshock) has dropped.
I have SS1 and 2, both of those had serious flaws as well as did Deus Ex. You had problems with DRM and sound which detracted from your experience, I didn't have these issues.
Short? It's 20 hours to finish which is about average, if you finished it in much less time then you cheated yourself.
I will reiterate what I originally stated if you were disappointed then you either set unrealistic expectations(this applies to you) or you have priorities that differ from Bioshock's strengths.
People also have a tendency to view beloved games from the past through rose colored glasses and what I found appealing as a twenty year old isn't going to give me the same satisfaction now; the opposite is also true.
We should be thankful that there are even people out there who have the balls and ambition to make games like this instead of the standard EA BF garbage or other absolutely mediocre games retreading the same ground over and over again.
Crysis is going to be a technological marvel with great gameplay but are you going to care about the characters? No. Will you ever have to make a moral choice? No. Will you ever be even slightly emotionally invested in any aspect of the game? No.
You will do what you do in 99% of the games out there, kill enemies like a mindless zombie.
So will you admit the game is not perfect?..personally I could not wait to finish the game and I won't comment on the ending(not even close to a great ending),expectations hmm well all the reviews giving it 10/10 etc I guess I aimed too high,bugs etc not withstanding there was just not enough for me to play the game for long periods at a time(you know how some games get you hooked and you can't put them down ,well Bioshock is not one of them),I had to play it in short periods at a time,there are a lot better recent games out there and nothing you say will change that.
20 hours you say,I finished it in 15 hours at most,now I could probably stretch the game for another 5 hours but to be honest would not want to,even 20 hours is short IMHO.
I still find it funny how people can rate this game so high :shocked:
Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
For all you people that liked Bioshock have you played played System Shock 2?
Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
For all you people that liked Bioshock have you played played System Shock 2?
Yeah, and it sucked ass.
-You don't start with a gun.
-You can't even use a gun until you learn how (I guess the military of the future lets any retard in).
-Every fight includes running up to an enemy, wait for them to swing, step back, approach again and hit them with a wrench. I know most shooters are like that, but at least in Quake you were doing this at a distance and using guns.
-The game has an absolute lack of scariness because the graphics and sound are horrible; Doom came out several years earlier, and I still jump when I hear the unique sound of an archvile.
-The game is so convoluted that you need the tutorial at the start of the game.
-When you actually do find a gun, it breaks after a few shots.
-Enemies respawn but ammunition does not.
Worst of all is that most reviewers of the game sound like they were bribed into giving it a good review. IGN, for example, has over a full page of story explanation and tries to make it sound exciting even though it's the same boring ass story as Bioshock. Oooh I listen to spooky tapes, this is so spooky. Then stuff like "these vile creatures are smart enough to use complex weaponry, respond to security alarms, and to, after a fashion, speak". You mean they shoot guns (every game), spawn when you trip an alarm (every game), and use scripted talking (Half-Life)? Jesus, this game is so revolutionary that it uses the same ideas as every other game at that time.
The review on Gamespot is equally stupid. It goes on and on about all this great stuff then ends with:
"Finally, despite System Shock 2's novel setting and its RPG elements, its gameplay doesn't really evolve significantly beyond that offered by recent first-person shooters. You'll spend much of your time strafing at enemies around corners, opening crates, and even hunting for keys. But the realistic environments, intriguing plot, and consistently uneasy atmosphere make System Shock 2 constantly effective. It is a hybrid game that effectively blends elements from a variety of genres into a thoroughly enjoyable and accessible package."
Exactly what I just stated. It's the same as every other game at the time except the combat is needlessly complicated, the graphics are horrible, and the main antagonist of the game is boredom.
While every critic shits their pants over System Shock 2, the game was not a commercial success. Caltrops has an excellent article about why this game failed to meet expectations.