Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Rainsford
You know, as much as I hate to say this, I think cutting off aid was the right decision. Funding a government that supports policies that go against what we stand for makes little sense, and this isn't like cutting off aid to Iraq, the Palestinian people had a CHOICE, and they picked Hamas.
But damn some of you guys are cold (in a sociopathic kind of way). There is a difference between thinking this was the right decision and actually being happy (or so it seems) that the Palestinians are suffering. Trust me on this, it doesn't make you look tough...
Hearing of misfortunes within the ranks of the enemy does indeed make me happy.
Yeah, that was my point...there is something wrong with people who can't distinguish between being happy because something is good for their side and because something is bad for the other side. And no, those two things are NOT the same. Most people cheered dropping the atomic bombs on Japan because it meant the end of the war, you'd be cheering because all those Japanese died...there is a big difference.
No, there is no difference. If its bad for the enemy it IS good for us. If its good for us it IS bad for the enemy. The two are not mutually exclusive as much as you'd like to think otherwise.
As for The Bomb, I'd cheer either way. Either because its bad for the enemy OR because its good for us.
Of course there is a difference. You're talking about from a strategic sense, and in THAT sense you're right...things that are bad for the enemy are good for your side as a general rule. I guess my objection to the celebrating is more about intent than actions. You're a gun guy, so try this analogy on for size. Suppose someone attacks you with intent to kill or injure you and you're armed, you'll probably shoot them, right? WHY are you shooting them? Is it to defend yourself, or because you enjoy killing people you don't like? Obviously defending yourself might involve killing or seriously hurting someone else, but that is simply a byproduct of wanting to defend yourself and is (or should be) defensible. But if you just enjoy killing people you don't like, that's not really the same thing at all. My feeling lately is that some of the self-described "pro-war" folks are a little TOO pro war, the actual reason for the war is secondary to the effects of it in their minds...they LIKE being at war, especially when it's a fairly safe war for us as civilians. Maybe I'm being too hard on people, but I really get the feeling that actually fighting terrorism is kind of a lost objective here.
I would agree with most of what you said.
I generally, and often times mistakenly, look at things at the most basic level possible and try to keep emotions out of it.
As you say, if someone attacks me I will kill them. Not because I LIKE to kill people, but in that sense the objective is the preservation of my life and health. Between point A (Where I am) and point B (My safety) lies the death of an individual. The solution is very simple. Eliminate the threat.
Which is how I view most things. In this case, Palestinians have to a large degree brought their own pains on themselves. Since Israel is an ally of ours, what is bad for Palestine is good for us.
Is it unfortunate that people get hurt? Yes. But the simple fact is, SOMEONE is going to get hurt. Between point A (Current situation) and point B (Safety and security of Israel) is a whole lot of death. I prefer it to be on the Palestinian side.
Sure, I would prefer the whole world be some hippie peace love type of setting where peoples of all religions and backgrounds can sit around the campfire getting high singing kumbaya. But the simple fact is thats not the reality of the situation. Those who think it is are only setting their own side up for failure.
As such, hearing of bad news there makes me happy. Not because I necesarily hate the Palestinians, but because to reach the objective requires it.
Understandably, those who support Palestine feel exactly as me with 180 degree reverse in the perspective.
It goes back to the saying "You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette".