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Feldenak

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Jan 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
For the Alabama fans, any rumors of potential replacements? Other than Spurrier, of course.

rumors other than Spurrier include:
Nick Saban
Bob Stoops (how, I don't know..but it is a rumor)
Bob Petrino
Rich Rodriguez
Jim Grobe
Paul Johnson (Navy head coach)
Greg Schiano (rumored for every job opening though)

I just don't see Spurrier going to Bama.
I don't see Saban returning to CFB.
Stoops isn't leaving Oklahoma
I think Petrino likes where he's got the Louisville program headed
Rodriguez...possibly, but unlikely
Grobe's a definate possibility
Johnson, maybe...
Schiano, if he doesn't return to Miami, he's not going anywhere.
 

Gibsons

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Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
For the Alabama fans, any rumors of potential replacements? Other than Spurrier, of course.

rumors other than Spurrier include:
Nick Saban
Bob Stoops (how, I don't know..but it is a rumor)
Bob Petrino
Rich Rodriguez
Jim Grobe
Paul Johnson (Navy head coach)
Greg Schiano (rumored for every job opening though)

Grobe and Johnson are the 2 most likely. Also have heard they are looking at Graham from Rice. If Johnson comes get ready for the flexbone in the SEC.

Which would be a mistake given Alabama's personnel (accurate QB, two outstanding WRs with young ones up and coming). Johnson has run other offenses before though.

Just for Bama fans: Bryant Jr.'s plane

ooh, good link. Looks like Austin right now, so I'd guess Gene Chizik is getting an interview. UT and Auburn fans will be hoping for Greg Davis, but I doubt 'bama is that stupid.
 

Feldenak

Lifer
Jan 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: jhayx7
Being a student at the University of Alabama and a longtime Alabama fan, THANK GOD THEY FIRED SHULA!!

That's going to hurt recruiting. Four head coaches in 6 years isn't good for recruiting. As an Auburn fan, I'd like to thank Mal Moore.
 

slsmnaz

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Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
For the Alabama fans, any rumors of potential replacements? Other than Spurrier, of course.

rumors other than Spurrier include:
Nick Saban
Bob Stoops (how, I don't know..but it is a rumor)
Bob Petrino
Rich Rodriguez
Jim Grobe
Paul Johnson (Navy head coach)
Greg Schiano (rumored for every job opening though)

Grobe and Johnson are the 2 most likely. Also have heard they are looking at Graham from Rice. If Johnson comes get ready for the flexbone in the SEC.

Which would be a mistake given Alabama's personnel (accurate QB, two outstanding WRs with young ones up and coming). Johnson has run other offenses before though.

Just for Bama fans: Bryant Jr.'s plane

ooh, good link. Looks like Austin right now, so I'd guess Gene Chizik is getting an interview. UT and Auburn fans will be hoping for Greg Davis, but I doubt 'bama is that stupid.

Actually I was hoping Ron Zook would make a return to the SEC @ bama. Another theory I heard was the plane is stopping in Austin to pick up some strippers then it is heading to El Paso to lure Mike Price back.
 

Feldenak

Lifer
Jan 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
For the Alabama fans, any rumors of potential replacements? Other than Spurrier, of course.

rumors other than Spurrier include:
Nick Saban
Bob Stoops (how, I don't know..but it is a rumor)
Bob Petrino
Rich Rodriguez
Jim Grobe
Paul Johnson (Navy head coach)
Greg Schiano (rumored for every job opening though)

Grobe and Johnson are the 2 most likely. Also have heard they are looking at Graham from Rice. If Johnson comes get ready for the flexbone in the SEC.

Which would be a mistake given Alabama's personnel (accurate QB, two outstanding WRs with young ones up and coming). Johnson has run other offenses before though.

Just for Bama fans: Bryant Jr.'s plane

ooh, good link. Looks like Austin right now, so I'd guess Gene Chizik is getting an interview. UT and Auburn fans will be hoping for Greg Davis, but I doubt 'bama is that stupid.

Actually I was hoping Ron Zook would make a return to the SEC @ bama. Another theory I heard was the plane is stopping in Austin to pick up some strippers then it is heading to El Paso to lure Mike Price back.

Give Bama time...they'll try to dig up Bryant and have his remains coach.
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: jhayx7
Being a student at the University of Alabama and a longtime Alabama fan, THANK GOD THEY FIRED SHULA!!

That's going to hurt recruiting. Four head coaches in 6 years isn't good for recruiting. As an Auburn fan, I'd like to thank Mal Moore.

Not terribly and depends on who Bama gets as the new head coach. This upcoming recruiting class was only going to have 15-17 open slots or so anyways and almost all of those have been filled with verbal commitments up to this point.
 

Redking

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Originally posted by: Nick5324
Originally posted by: Juno
greg schiano will never be going anywhere!!

... until the Penn State job becomes available.

Schiano's not leaving Rutgers for Penn State or Miami. He is lucky that Rutgers is the closest college football program to New York City, the media capital of the world. In his own words, the "sky's the limit".

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2675783
 

NuclearNed

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May 18, 2001
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Stewart Mandel wrote about the Alabama situation a few weeks ago here. I completely agree with him.

For the last four years, Mike Shula has been given a pass due to the extraordinary circumstances surrounding his hiring at Alabama. In this, his fourth year, the team has shown little-to-no improvement and has now lost to the worst team in the SEC, Mississippi State. What is the likelihood that this is Shula's final season coaching the Tide? Who is likely to replace him?
-- Curtis, Leeds, Ala.

Back in 2003, when Alabama was going through yet another coaching change, I wrote a pretty critical column about the school and the state, saying the reason why the Crimson Tide have failed to sustain any long-term success since the Bear Bryant era is their penchant for chewing up and spitting out coaches. And now, it's happening again. No question, this has been a disappointing season for the Tide, and last Saturday's loss was horrendous. Has Shula done a good coaching job this season? Of course not. But hear me now: The worst thing Alabama could do right now is make yet another coaching change.

Most Alabamians remain in pretty strong denial about just how far the program has slipped -- and about just how directly two major NCAA sanctions and a gazillion coaching changes have contributed to that -- but think about it: Under the Bear, 'Bama was the undisputed king of the SEC. Over the past decade, however, the Tide have been no better than the sixth- or seventh-strongest program in the conference (behind Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, LSU and, at times, Arkansas). The one thing Alabama needs more than anything is stability. If it fires Shula -- who, despite what this season's record might indicate, has done a very good job recruiting and did just win 10 games last season -- who is it going to replace him with? Butch Davis? Do you really think he's going to be there for 10 years? No, he'll be back to the NFL as soon as he has any kind of success, and then you're starting this process all over again.

I beg of you, Alabama fans, to try something new for a change: It's called "patience." Get off Shula's back. I'm sure he'll make some staff/program changes during the offseason. And if things don't get better next season, then you have my full permission to hang him in effigy.
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Stewart Mandel wrote about the Alabama situation a few weeks ago here. I completely agree with him.

For the last four years, Mike Shula has been given a pass due to the extraordinary circumstances surrounding his hiring at Alabama. In this, his fourth year, the team has shown little-to-no improvement and has now lost to the worst team in the SEC, Mississippi State. What is the likelihood that this is Shula's final season coaching the Tide? Who is likely to replace him?
-- Curtis, Leeds, Ala.

Back in 2003, when Alabama was going through yet another coaching change, I wrote a pretty critical column about the school and the state, saying the reason why the Crimson Tide have failed to sustain any long-term success since the Bear Bryant era is their penchant for chewing up and spitting out coaches. And now, it's happening again. No question, this has been a disappointing season for the Tide, and last Saturday's loss was horrendous. Has Shula done a good coaching job this season? Of course not. But hear me now: The worst thing Alabama could do right now is make yet another coaching change.

Most Alabamians remain in pretty strong denial about just how far the program has slipped -- and about just how directly two major NCAA sanctions and a gazillion coaching changes have contributed to that -- but think about it: Under the Bear, 'Bama was the undisputed king of the SEC. Over the past decade, however, the Tide have been no better than the sixth- or seventh-strongest program in the conference (behind Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, LSU and, at times, Arkansas). The one thing Alabama needs more than anything is stability. If it fires Shula -- who, despite what this season's record might indicate, has done a very good job recruiting and did just win 10 games last season -- who is it going to replace him with? Butch Davis? Do you really think he's going to be there for 10 years? No, he'll be back to the NFL as soon as he has any kind of success, and then you're starting this process all over again.

I beg of you, Alabama fans, to try something new for a change: It's called "patience." Get off Shula's back. I'm sure he'll make some staff/program changes during the offseason. And if things don't get better next season, then you have my full permission to hang him in effigy.

I agree with Mandel to a point. However, when you saw the number of just plain bad coaching decisions over the course of the last few games (especially the AU game) and then the decision to keep Connelly as the offensive line coach and move Ungerer from special teams coach to coaching the tackles and tight ends, it was clear that Shula had to go.

What is interesting is that just last year Mandel called Shula stupid and now he's arguing for Bama to keep Shula?
 

NuclearNed

Raconteur
May 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Stewart Mandel wrote about the Alabama situation a few weeks ago here. I completely agree with him.

For the last four years, Mike Shula has been given a pass due to the extraordinary circumstances surrounding his hiring at Alabama. In this, his fourth year, the team has shown little-to-no improvement and has now lost to the worst team in the SEC, Mississippi State. What is the likelihood that this is Shula's final season coaching the Tide? Who is likely to replace him?
-- Curtis, Leeds, Ala.

Back in 2003, when Alabama was going through yet another coaching change, I wrote a pretty critical column about the school and the state, saying the reason why the Crimson Tide have failed to sustain any long-term success since the Bear Bryant era is their penchant for chewing up and spitting out coaches. And now, it's happening again. No question, this has been a disappointing season for the Tide, and last Saturday's loss was horrendous. Has Shula done a good coaching job this season? Of course not. But hear me now: The worst thing Alabama could do right now is make yet another coaching change.

Most Alabamians remain in pretty strong denial about just how far the program has slipped -- and about just how directly two major NCAA sanctions and a gazillion coaching changes have contributed to that -- but think about it: Under the Bear, 'Bama was the undisputed king of the SEC. Over the past decade, however, the Tide have been no better than the sixth- or seventh-strongest program in the conference (behind Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, LSU and, at times, Arkansas). The one thing Alabama needs more than anything is stability. If it fires Shula -- who, despite what this season's record might indicate, has done a very good job recruiting and did just win 10 games last season -- who is it going to replace him with? Butch Davis? Do you really think he's going to be there for 10 years? No, he'll be back to the NFL as soon as he has any kind of success, and then you're starting this process all over again.

I beg of you, Alabama fans, to try something new for a change: It's called "patience." Get off Shula's back. I'm sure he'll make some staff/program changes during the offseason. And if things don't get better next season, then you have my full permission to hang him in effigy.

I agree with Mandel to a point. However, when you saw the number of just plain bad coaching decisions over the course of the last few games (especially the AU game) and then the decision to keep Connelly as the offensive line coach and move Ungerer from special teams coach to coaching the tackles and tight ends, it was clear that Shula had to go.

What is interesting is that just last year Mandel called Shula stupid and now he's arguing for Bama to keep Shula?

I'm not an Alabama fan (actually, I'm a Vol), so I'll have to trust your judgement that the things he has done this season were stupid. What I really agree with Mandel on is that for a long time Alabama has been trigger happy with their coaches. Since Alabama won 10 games last season, I would have to think that this season is a fluke. In my opinion it would take some really really serious screwups to justify firing a coach 1 year after a 10 win season, and only 3 years into a coach's tenure. I just don't see that at Alabama, so I think they are making a mistake.
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Stewart Mandel wrote about the Alabama situation a few weeks ago here. I completely agree with him.

For the last four years, Mike Shula has been given a pass due to the extraordinary circumstances surrounding his hiring at Alabama. In this, his fourth year, the team has shown little-to-no improvement and has now lost to the worst team in the SEC, Mississippi State. What is the likelihood that this is Shula's final season coaching the Tide? Who is likely to replace him?
-- Curtis, Leeds, Ala.

Back in 2003, when Alabama was going through yet another coaching change, I wrote a pretty critical column about the school and the state, saying the reason why the Crimson Tide have failed to sustain any long-term success since the Bear Bryant era is their penchant for chewing up and spitting out coaches. And now, it's happening again. No question, this has been a disappointing season for the Tide, and last Saturday's loss was horrendous. Has Shula done a good coaching job this season? Of course not. But hear me now: The worst thing Alabama could do right now is make yet another coaching change.

Most Alabamians remain in pretty strong denial about just how far the program has slipped -- and about just how directly two major NCAA sanctions and a gazillion coaching changes have contributed to that -- but think about it: Under the Bear, 'Bama was the undisputed king of the SEC. Over the past decade, however, the Tide have been no better than the sixth- or seventh-strongest program in the conference (behind Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, LSU and, at times, Arkansas). The one thing Alabama needs more than anything is stability. If it fires Shula -- who, despite what this season's record might indicate, has done a very good job recruiting and did just win 10 games last season -- who is it going to replace him with? Butch Davis? Do you really think he's going to be there for 10 years? No, he'll be back to the NFL as soon as he has any kind of success, and then you're starting this process all over again.

I beg of you, Alabama fans, to try something new for a change: It's called "patience." Get off Shula's back. I'm sure he'll make some staff/program changes during the offseason. And if things don't get better next season, then you have my full permission to hang him in effigy.

I agree with Mandel to a point. However, when you saw the number of just plain bad coaching decisions over the course of the last few games (especially the AU game) and then the decision to keep Connelly as the offensive line coach and move Ungerer from special teams coach to coaching the tackles and tight ends, it was clear that Shula had to go.

What is interesting is that just last year Mandel called Shula stupid and now he's arguing for Bama to keep Shula?

I'm not an Alabama fan (actually, I'm a Vol), so I'll have to trust your judgement that the things he has done this season were stupid. What I really agree with Mandel on is that for a long time Alabama has been trigger happy with their coaches. Since Alabama won 10 games last season, I would have to think that this season is a fluke. In my opinion it would take some really really serious screwups to justify firing a coach 1 year after a 10 win season, and only 3 years into a coach's tenure. I just don't see that at Alabama, so I think they are making a mistake.

Well, the last coach to be fired by Bama (other than Mike Price) was Dubose and Dubose was the one that got Bama in trouble with the NCAA. So I'm not sure where the "for a long time Alabama has been trigger happy with their coaches" comes from. Perkins left for the NFL, Curry resigned (essentially runoff though), Stallings retired, and Franchione ran for Texas A&M after the NCAA sanctions hit. That leaves only Shula as the possible "trigger-happy" firing.

Still, even Mandel says, "I'm sure he'll make some staff/program changes during the offseason" but what if Shula essentially didn't many any changes as is being reported? The offense has been anemic the last two seasons, especially in the red zone and the offensive line and special teams play has been sub-par during Shula's entire tenure.
 

ryan256

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Originally posted by: jhayx7
Being a student at the University of Alabama and a longtime Alabama fan, THANK GOD THEY FIRED SHULA!!

Dont forget about Coker being fired too.

Funny thing is.... he could have had a 1-10 record for several years and probably still kept his job if that 1 win was against Auburn

WAR EAGLE!!
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: jlbenedict
With Brodie graduating last year from 'Bama, didn't they start a freshman quarterback this year?

Sophmore John Parker Wilson. There was almost no drop-off at the QB position. Wilson didn't have Croyle's canon of an arm but was more accurate.
 

Mill

Lifer
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10 drunks rednecks with shovels headed to Elmwood Cemetery. Dig him up! Dig him up! Only way Bama can win again.
 

JasonCoder

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Originally posted by: Redking
Originally posted by: Nick5324
Originally posted by: Juno
greg schiano will never be going anywhere!!

... until the Penn State job becomes available.

Schiano's not leaving Rutgers for Penn State or Miami. He is lucky that Rutgers is the closest college football program to New York City, the media capital of the world. In his own words, the "sky's the limit".

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2675783

QFT I think Schiano has dreams of building a powerhouse and going down in history like the Bowden's and Paterno's before him. Rutgers should give him some jack and keep him happy on the paycheck side. He's already happy on the job side it appears.
 

JasonCoder

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Shula out at Alabama

Amato out at North Carolina State

Koetter out at Arizona State

This after Coker was mercifully let go from Miami on Friday.

Gonna be a bloody end of year period. Last year there were hardly any firings so this year is the make up year. To this list you have to add the heads that have already rolled: John L. Smith (MSU), John Bunting (NC) and Dan McCarney (ISU).
 

jhayx7

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Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Stewart Mandel wrote about the Alabama situation a few weeks ago here. I completely agree with him.

For the last four years, Mike Shula has been given a pass due to the extraordinary circumstances surrounding his hiring at Alabama. In this, his fourth year, the team has shown little-to-no improvement and has now lost to the worst team in the SEC, Mississippi State. What is the likelihood that this is Shula's final season coaching the Tide? Who is likely to replace him?
-- Curtis, Leeds, Ala.

Back in 2003, when Alabama was going through yet another coaching change, I wrote a pretty critical column about the school and the state, saying the reason why the Crimson Tide have failed to sustain any long-term success since the Bear Bryant era is their penchant for chewing up and spitting out coaches. And now, it's happening again. No question, this has been a disappointing season for the Tide, and last Saturday's loss was horrendous. Has Shula done a good coaching job this season? Of course not. But hear me now: The worst thing Alabama could do right now is make yet another coaching change.

Most Alabamians remain in pretty strong denial about just how far the program has slipped -- and about just how directly two major NCAA sanctions and a gazillion coaching changes have contributed to that -- but think about it: Under the Bear, 'Bama was the undisputed king of the SEC. Over the past decade, however, the Tide have been no better than the sixth- or seventh-strongest program in the conference (behind Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, LSU and, at times, Arkansas). The one thing Alabama needs more than anything is stability. If it fires Shula -- who, despite what this season's record might indicate, has done a very good job recruiting and did just win 10 games last season -- who is it going to replace him with? Butch Davis? Do you really think he's going to be there for 10 years? No, he'll be back to the NFL as soon as he has any kind of success, and then you're starting this process all over again.

I beg of you, Alabama fans, to try something new for a change: It's called "patience." Get off Shula's back. I'm sure he'll make some staff/program changes during the offseason. And if things don't get better next season, then you have my full permission to hang him in effigy.

Shula was not and will never be a great football coach. Great stat: under coach Shula, when Alabama has trailed during the 3rd Q, they have NEVER won a football game....
 

RagingBITCH

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My good friend is the woman's rowing coach over here at SMU. Due to Title IX, the existance of that program is due to the success of their football team. (CUSA) Football team does well, they get more funding/exist. Football team sucks, and misses a bowl, (much like what happened this year, or is bound to happen) and they're on the verge of being eliminated from the university. (Despite being able to hang with some of the top rowing teams around the country - UT, Iowa, Duke, etc)

There's a lot more than just reputation that hangs in the balance of the men's football team and how well they do. They're under tremendous pressure to deliver, and not just for college football. The pressure on them comes from everyone and everywhere. Just something to remember.
 
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