~Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD~

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
So you don't use DVDs anymore?

That's an unfair comparison, as Sony was but one member of a consortium of about 9 other companies that joined to make a unified standard DVD. I believe OP was referring to a format that Sony introduced exclusively, ala UMD or the sort.

Actually Sony lost that as well. There were 2 disc types...

"In the early 1990s two high-density optical storage standards were being developed; one was the MultiMedia Compact Disc, backed by Philips and Sony, and the other was the Super Density disc, supported by Toshiba, Time Warner, Matsushita Electric, Hitachi, Mitsubishi Electric, Pioneer, Thomson, and JVC. IBM's president, Lou Gerstner, acting as a matchmaker, led an effort to unite the two camps behind a single standard, anticipating a repeat of the costly videotape format war between VHS and Betamax in the 1980s.

Philips and Sony abandoned their MultiMedia Compact Disc and fully agreed upon Toshiba's SuperDensity Disc with only one modification, namely changing to EFMPlus modulation."

Yeah, Sony is still bitter about not getting royalties for the DVD format. That is why they went around the DVD Forum and came out with Blu-ray and the BDA, even though they knew damn well that they would start another format war. Their hope is that Blu-ray prevails and they get to profit from all the royalties that they originally missed out on by giving in to DVD.

 

[RagingBITCH]

As much as I hate Sony, I could care less which one wins, as long as the movie studios actually choose one side or the other, or support both. HD-DVD players being uber cheap makes me want to support that format, as I'm a cheapskate myself, but not having/being able to watch all the new releases on one format or the other (because of exclusitivity) just kinda chaps my ass.

 

[SlickSnake]

SONY CEO WANTS TIME MACHINE TO FIGHT HD VERSUS BLUERAY FORMAT WARS!

And NO, I'm not kidding, LOL!

:beer:

 

[sandorski]

I just want one of them to die so I know which to invest $$ in.

 

[Pacfanweb]

I have both, so I don't care which wins.

 

[Pocatello]

I'm still waiting. I might pick up the A3 HD-DVD player at the end of the year.

 

[Pabster]

DVD Forum Approves 51GB Triple-Layer HD DVD Disc

It's official.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Pabster
DVD Forum Approves 51GB Triple-Layer HD DVD Disc

It's official.

is it compatible with current players? different density of bits would seem to require a modified lens assembly. then again, I'm no engineer.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I have both, so I don't care which wins.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Pabster
DVD Forum Approves 51GB Triple-Layer HD DVD Disc

It's official.

is it compatible with current players? different density of bits would seem to require a modified lens assembly. then again, I'm no engineer.

maybe, maybe not. remember, they increased the capacity of CD-Rs without too many problems. some older cd players had trouble reading them, but they didn't have the benefit of firmware updates like we do today.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Pabster
DVD Forum Approves 51GB Triple-Layer HD DVD Disc

It's official.

I thought 30GB was enough for HDM?

Better late than never.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Pabster
DVD Forum Approves 51GB Triple-Layer HD DVD Disc

It's official.

I thought 30GB was enough for HDM?

Better late than never.

It is. These discs will probably be used for data storage not movies.

 

[ed21x]

i have a feeling in 4 years, solid state memory will be the dominant form of data storage for both computers and entertainment. Seeing as how the price of flash memory goes down by 40% every year, a 16GB SD card will be less than $20 in 4 years, and that is only market price.

 

[Aikouka]

I have both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

I just want the prices to be cheaper. I've been like a kid in a candy store with Amazon's Buy One Get One Free Blu-Ray sale. I ended up buying 8 movies as ~$10-12.50 for a high-def movie is great .

 

[sswingle]

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Pabster
DVD Forum Approves 51GB Triple-Layer HD DVD Disc

It's official.

I thought 30GB was enough for HDM?

Better late than never.

It is. These discs will probably be used for data storage not movies.

Lord of the Rings EE and television box sets come to mind...

 

[Paddington]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: kalster
why are people so excited about the recent deal for the HD-DVD player, i thought the true potential of HD-DVD was 1080p, the el cheapo hd dvd players don't support 1080p, the ones that do support it don't cost a whole lot less than blue ray players

http://www.hometheatermag.com/gearworks/1106gear/

plus i think the cheap player recently had a bios update support for 1080p so its a non issue anyways

If you're just watching movies, I'm not sure you'll see much benefit from 1080p. The movies themselves are 24 frames per second, so a 1080i player should display it as well as a 1080p player.

My guess as to how this format war will play out:

Originally, HD-DVD lead Blu Ray since it came out first. Currently Blu Ray is leading in sales vs. HD-DVD 2:1. HD-DVD is making a strong comeback with players in the $200 range, compared to $400 for Blu Ray. HD-DVD has much less manufacturer support than Blu Ray, which is a shame. Next year, HD-DVD will probably take the lead against Blu Ray, assuming Toshiba can crank out enough players cheaply from its factories. However, Sony will hit back as prices for Blu Ray players continue to fall. Microsoft will come out with an HD-DVD Xbox 360, which will help a little bit. By 2009, HD-DVD should be in the lead again. However, if a format like 1440p or whatever becomes standardized, and the studios start to support it, Blu Ray could make a comeback. With the current 1080@24fps, both Blu Ray and HD DVD easily accomodate a typical 2-3 hour movie. But at higher resolutions, HD DVD will lose out to Blu Ray.

So the format war is far from over yet. When I buy in the near future, I will probably go with HD DVD.

 

[Pabster]

I'd have to disagree on HD DVD having problems if we ever standardize to 1440P or 2160P. I think it is safe to assume that by the time such a change would occur, physical mediums like discs will be a thing of the past.

What is far more likely is that digital delivery kills BOTH formats. I think it is inevitable.