BMW's Biggest Mistake

BarkingGhostar

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Was the introduction to the four-cylinder engine in products sold in the USA. This one point was to serve as a glaring mistake on BMW's corporation leadership in not understanding the American mentality when it comes to cars. Way back in late 2012 when I bought my 335i I did so because that was the freaking year they started replacing the naturally aspirated inline-6 engines with turbo-fours in the regular bread and butter 3-series and it was either go with a coupe, convertible or 335i to get the inline six back. Even before making the decision on the 335i I test drove the then 330i and it sounded terrible. It literally and instantaneously reminded me of my old Honda lawnmower. I said to myself and vocalized to the wife sitting next to me that there was no way I was gonna spend $40K on a lawnmower. That one aspect alone made the decision to spend the extra ten grand on the 335i and my local dealership, even with near zero stock, offered to put in a build order for me, which I accepted and was quite happy for.

But here it is now 7.5 years later and still enjoying the 335i and looking for something new, something maybe to replace our old 2004 325i (naturally aspirated I6). Wife likes the X2 as it reminds her of the old VW Rabbits. But even the M treatment of that bastion design will and forever remain in the lawnmower propelled arena. So the days have permanently changed and nothing less than a M340i/440i will get you a six cylinder. And even with this we still refuse to consider the Z4 because of the three models there two of them are lawnmower-powered setups. Jeez. I feel like I am prematurely being made to feel so old as to accept the land yacht for my drive to Country Kitchen. I guess I could go buy the Toyota Avalon, feel the age they want me to ber and still drive with a better experience that those lawnmowers.

How do any of you feel about the four-bangers of BMW?
 

deadlyapp

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If it is more efficient, more powerful, and lighter - I'm all game. I don't need a large engine just to feel manly.

With that said, I'd also never buy a BMW that didn't have a minimum straight six turbo, but that's just because if I'm spending that much on a car I'm expecting it to have 350+ HP.
 
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mindless1

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I dislike 4 cylinder turbos on any vehicle where larger displacement no-turbo is available, or it may make me avoid the vehicle entirely if no naturally aspirated engine is available. I could care less what it sounds like, except I don't want anything *tuned* for more noise.

It has nothing at all to do with feeling manly, quite the opposite it is the young kids who want to throw a turbo on anything while a mature owner who has had a few vehicles and repairs over the years, recognizes that when you try to wrench more power out of a smaller engine, it is impossible for it to last as long and usually costs more to repair, all else equal. Heh, in some vehicles it is hardly even worth the bother to put a used (junkyard) 4 cyl turbo in as a replacement because they don't have enough life left in them, so you're forced to choose between getting a rebuilt engine or scrapping the vehicle.

I just don't drive enough miles to make up for the small fuel efficiency improvement and even if I did, that also weighs against using a turbo to make up for a small engine. If you want a turbo on a larger engine for high performance, accepting the eventual wear from driving it like you stole it, that is another topic.
 
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repoman0

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BMW's biggest mistake was making their cars ugly, numb and hard to work on after the E46 generation. Keep your 325i, it's as good as it gets. Love my old E46 M3 and E39 M5 that I purchased combined for a similar price to a new 4-cylinder 3 series. I've got one of these in each to bring them just far enough into the 21st century without ruining it: https://www.ecstuning.com/b-bluebus...grated-bluetooth-control-module/bluebus1~blu/
 

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I drove Bimmers on and off for 30 years. My first one was a 1971 2002 tii. Last one was a 1990 E32 735i Great car. Drove well, handled like a dream. Gave it to our son in 2005 when it had 180,000 miles on it. He drove it for several more years.

IMO, Chris Bangle was BMW's biggest mistake. He made beautiful cars butt-ugly.
 

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I actually own an F30 with a 4-banger, but I don't have a point of reference to compare it to (drove only Japanese sedans prior to this). Anyway, the turbo 4 bangers are not BMW's biggest mistake. Have you seen the new 4-series grille?

repoman0 is on the money. There are many valid complaints about late model Bimmers, and they mostly have to do with BMW chased market share to compete with Daimler Benz on the annual unit sales contest. BMW and nearly everyone else went to turbo 4s to meet CAFE requirements; since the I6 is still available as an upsell, I guess your complaint boils down to poor value. In addition to chasing unit sales, BMW has gone insane with expensive options packages in recent years.

Having sacrificed driving dynamics, the 3 Series is no longer best in class. Yet it's still a bit unclear which competitor you should buy. Tesla Model 3 checks off many boxes, if you don't care about QC or interior luxury. Alfa Romeo Giulia is great if you're leasing and willing to roll the dice on a Fiat. Genesis G70 won some major awards, but you're being serviced by Hyundai's notorious dealer network. There are a handful of worthy competitors in this crowded segment, and almost all of them have a turbo-4 in the base model.
 

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If you’re looking at the X2 why not consider the Mazda CX5? We have one that I use for daily commuting and it is great. The engine is a 2.5l four cylinder that you kind of have to wind out a bit when going up long steep hills but otherwise it is adequately powered and the car itself is very quiet and comfortable. It is reasonably sporty and it looks good. Plus, I’m averaging 25mpg in mixed driving and it only requires regular unleaded gas. It is far less expensive to operate than my AMG C63 Cabriolet. V8 bi-turbo baby! Yeah!

The word is Mazda is developing an inline six cylinder engine to go in the Mazda 6 and in the next generation CX5 but it won’t be available until the 2023 model year.
 
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And even with this we still refuse to consider the Z4 because of the three models there two of them are lawnmower-powered setups.

Get a Toyota Supra. It's almost completely a Z4 and started out as I6 only. They later added the I4 for the 2021 model year and furthermore there are three I6 trims and only one I4 trim. Obviously you lose out on the nicer interior of the Z4 though and [opinion] the Z4 looks nicer. You do save a bunch of money going with the Toyota though...
 
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repoman0

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Miatas of any generation, including the new ones, along with the E30 M3 are proof that the I4 is not the problem.
 
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ondma

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Turbos are quite a different animal now. When they first came out, they were usually very peaky engines that lacked punch at low revs. Now they are quite the opposite. Most turbo applications give very generous torque at low RPM and continue with a lot of torque through the mid range. So performance wise, I think they are fine.

The only downsides are that they can be a bit buzzy compared to a 6 cylinder, and may have higher maintenance/repair costs. I know in the past, turbos had shorter maintenance intervals, but with modern computer controls and lubricants, dont know if that is still true.
 
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BarkingGhostar

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IMO, Chris Bangle was BMW's biggest mistake. He made beautiful cars butt-ugly.
When we bought the 33i back in late 2012-early 2013 it was a new body style and everyone complained about how ugly the new look was. I came to the conclusion I would be spending a lot more time looking at the car from inside the cabin than not, and I would be listening to it a lot more that anything else. So, interior styling and a sound that didn't give me flashbacks of a Honda lawnmower were the driving force in making the purchase.
Get a Toyota Supra. It's almost completely a Z4 and started out as I6 only. They later added the I4 for the 2021 model year and furthermore there are three I6 trims and only one I4 trim. Obviously you lose out on the nicer interior of the Z4 though and [opinion] the Z4 looks nicer. You do save a bunch of money going with the Toyota though...
Actually went walking the showroom floor during my last Tundra oil change and they had none. The next nearest one claimed to have two, but didn't in reality. I think I'm going to have to drive 50+ miles to just find one to look at.

I suppose I could install some speakers under the hood of a new turbocharged I4 and have it somehow play a recording of a smooth I6 and drown out the lawnmower sound. LOL
 

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Classic first world problem: "I dont like the way the engine sounds on my 50k Sports sedan".
 

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Classic first world problem: "I dont like the way the engine sounds on my 50k Sports sedan".
We laugh, but playing fake engine sounds through the audio system is not uncommon nowadays. BMW calls it Active Sound Design. It's also somewhat of a thing for BEVs, and Jaguar I-Pace's warp drive sound really tickles some people's fancy.


As for Chris Bangle, his 7 Series butt will forever live in infamy but most of BMW's designs in the 2000s have held up well IMO. Compare their sedans to contemporary M-B bug-eyed models and it's not even close which were and are more attractive.

Here's Jalopnik's take from 6 years ago!
 

BarkingGhostar

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Classic first world problem: "I dont like the way the engine sounds on my 50k Sports sedan".
Don't hate me for being born into the world I find myself in and the one I've busted my ass to enjoy my 50k sports sedan. Of course, had I been born, say, in one of the poorest countires I would have still busted my ass to own a 10k USED sports sedan and complaining about how the thing sounds because the prevous owner ran it on regular unleaded.
 

ondma

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Don't hate me for being born into the world I find myself in and the one I've busted my ass to enjoy my 50k sports sedan. Of course, had I been born, say, in one of the poorest countires I would have still busted my ass to own a 10k USED sports sedan and complaining about how the thing sounds because the prevous owner ran it on regular unleaded.
Certainly you are entitled to enjoy the privileges you were born into, and your work to achieve your goals. Just saying, not everyone is so lucky/talented and would be happy to simply have a car that can reliably get them to work every day.
 

BarkingGhostar

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Well, we tried the reliable route and that lasted 7-8 years before the vehicle's own service department couldn't troubleshoot to actually diagnose, let alone actually repair their broken product. Wife felt betrayed by Honda, got themselves banned from our household and been driving BMWs ever since. Had way more problems with the Accord than any of the Bimmers--fingers crossed.
 

BarkingGhostar

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I'm not saying that one can't make a car look so ugly you wouldn't want to be within a mile of it, but rather the amount of time we spend with the vehicle is from the interior and its sound and feeling than from the outside looking inward. I have said before I've turned down other cars because of their interior styling just seemed 'not me' for whatever that is. BTW, I highly recommend that anyone considering a Bimmer to use the build order and be patient. Getting exactly what you want is always a good option, but I fear a lot of people are looking for a deal/discount and willing to compromise.
 
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While the big grilles are not great (they could be fine if BMW knew how to design a lower front fascia, which is just accenting the grilles in a bad way), why is no one talking about the absolutely horrible shape they've adopted around the C/D pillar? Its like this angular pinched look that is so much worse than the much more tasteful curve (which was honestly at times the best looking styling part of their cars).

As for OPs rant about 4 cylinders...don't care. Sound could be fixed if car companies really wanted to. Honestly, I wish for more 4 cylinders, but paired with electric motors.
 
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