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[DHT]Osiris

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thestrangebrew1

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Seems maybe true? That is.... insane.

Edit: X video?
More conformation:
How is it even possible to survive that crash given how big the explosion was? That's just crazy!!
 
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iRONic

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I'm not curious about that at all. Because it's physically fucking impossible on the best of days!!
 

Indus

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Another angle which has takeoff roll to crash.

https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3lrg7u3y2zc2f

Think double engine failure is probably my guess. The RAT drops automatically in that case.

I know this is a CT at this point but I'm willing to bet a dollar on inadequate maintenance over pilot error or anything of the sort.

Lots of companies try to cut corners.

I once tried to save money and fly AeroSvit (Ukrainian Airlines) and the fuselage was vibrating and showed cracks like you would not believe.. I counted my lucky stars I got through the flight okay and after that I stick to 4 or 5 star airlines even if it means paying more.

Apparently AeroSvit went out of business in 2013, but some airlines are even worse. I think Philippine Airlines was actually banned from flying to the US when we had some safety standards (probably all gone now under the Trump admin)
 

K1052

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I know this is a CT at this point but I'm willing to bet a dollar on inadequate maintenance over pilot error or anything of the sort.

Lots of companies try to cut corners.

I once tried to save money and fly AeroSvit (Ukrainian Airlines) and the fuselage was vibrating and showed cracks like you would not believe.. I counted my lucky stars I got through the flight okay and after that I stick to 4 or 5 star airlines even if it means paying more.

The RAT being down so quickly points to something very seriously wrong mechanically. The cause will surely be determined fairly quickly since there won't be a lot of hunting for the data recorders.
 
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Indus

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The RAT being down so quickly points to something very seriously wrong mechanically. The cause will surely be determined fairly quickly since there won't be a lot of hunting for the data recorders.

Was chatting with a 787 pilot on my football club forum and he said the evidence isn't there yet to definitively say the RAT was down.. basically just wait for the facts from the black boxes kinda reply.

I wished him well and said I hope he takes a few days off before his next flight.

But if we're all into CT.. wasn't this the same exact plane type that caused the deaths of 2 Boeing whistleblowers??

 
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Saw a forwarded video at the crash site. Everyone walking around like it's some frickin' park. Police isn't preventing people from going all over the place. Everyone has their phone whipped out and recording dead bodies charred to a crisp
 
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Indus

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This is the mess hall of the hospital workers where it crashed..

Imagine the shock.. and there's uneaten food on the tables.

Thankfully that doesn't show any burn marks so they were spared the fire.. I think!

 

hal2kilo

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Warning for all, there some very graphic images floating around on social media. What is seen can't be unseen. Be wary of what you click.
All on board is believed to be dead and few on the ground so far as the plane crashed into a college cafeteria.
Heck, I think I saw someone dragging a crispy critter, in all the debris that was all over the street on regular cable news just a while ago. It may have been something else though.
 

Indus

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Heck, I think I saw someone dragging a crispy critter, in all the debris that was all over the street on regular cable news just a while ago. It may have been something else though.

I think I saw NSFW pics
some woman decapitated.

Come to think of it.. the sudden stop from that speed is enough to cause it because the head jerks forward while the seat belt keeps one in the chair.

Obviously no one had any warning to brace as that'd likely prevent it!
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I think I saw NSFW pics
some woman decapitated.

Come to think of it.. the sudden stop from that speed is enough to cause it because the head jerks forward while the seat belt keeps one in the chair.

Obviously no one had any warning to brace as that'd likely prevent it!
Yes, human bodies do not survive high energy lateral forces intact. High energy vertical forces tend to... compress.

Bracing will not save you in this situation. Connective tissue does not survive impact.
 
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Another medic said Vishwashkumar Ramesh told him that immediately after the plane took off, it began descending and suddenly split into two, throwing him out followed by a loud explosion.

According to the medic, Ramesh said he found himself next to debris and walked to a nearby ambulance that brought him to the hospital.

Former FAA and NTSB crash investigator Jeff Guzzetti said it’s a mystery why the airplane was having difficulty climbing in the final moments of the flight.

Video of the plane from right before the crash does not show any smoke or fire, so he said it does not appear that a bird strike was an issue. And even if the plane lost one engine, the second engine should be able to carry it aloft, he added.


Guzzetti said it’s possible that both engines started to “roll back” and lose power at the same time.

“This happened on a (Boeing) 777 crash coming into Heathrow about 15 years ago. It was a dual engine roll back due to icing in the fuel. So there could be a fuel issue,” he said.

“Usually fuel contamination issues rear their ugly head during takeoff,” he explained.

Aviation safety consultant John M. Cox said one of the questions investigators will be asking is whether the Air India plane that crashed Thursday was properly configured for flight.

While he stressed it was too early to make any conclusions, the CEO of Washington DC-based Safety Operating Systems said the grainy images of the flight suggested that one area of inquiry was likely to be whether the slats and flaps were in the correct position as the plane attempted to climb.

“The image shows the airplane with the nose rising and it continuing to sink,’’ he said. “That says that the airplane is not making enough lift.’’ The slats and flaps should be positioned so that the wing makes more lift at lower speeds.

“It’s hard to tell but from looking at the aircraft from behind … it doesn’t look like that the trailing edge flaps are in the position I would have expected them to be,’’ he said. “But I’m very cautious that the image quality is not good enough to make that a conclusion. It’s just an area where I know that they’re going to look.’’

John McDermid, a computer scence professor at the University of York with expertise in safety engineering, said that while it was too early to know much about the cause of the crash it appeared to be very surprising at first glance.

While takeoffs and landings are the most dangerous phases of a flight, he noted that the plane had not climbed above 200 meters (650 feet).

“Pilots can abort takeoff until quite late,” McDermid said. “So it seems like the problem occurred very suddenly in the final part of the takeoff roll, or shortly after takeoff, and was sufficiently serious to be unmanageable.”

He also said that jets have many backup systems, such as the ability to climb with only one engine, which also made it an unusual accident.
 

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I don't understand why flaps weren't extended?
Hydraulic failure or suicide by pilot? I'm not a pilot but have played with radio controlled planes for 15 or so years.
I do understand lift at low speeds.
 
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K1052

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I don't understand why flaps weren't extended?
Hydraulic failure or suicide by pilot?

It is difficult to determine the configuration from the videos available. Loss of engine power looks most likely right now I think.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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It is difficult to determine the configuration from the videos available. Loss of engine power looks most likely right now I think.
Don't they usually have independent and redundant power systems? Unless you meant 'power from engines' rather than 'power to engines'. Not sure what could cut both engines on something like that unless like, the fuel was contaminated (single point of failure).
 
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