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oogabooga

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My opinions/Initial Impressions: Played a Siren to 13, Roland to 18.

- It's an RPG and FPS. The four classes are distinct while at the same time being able to do anything depending on playstyle. At no point did I feel like I needed to be playing a certain way with either my Soldier or Siren - I'm sure there's a way to min/max but basically I was using whichever gun I liked to use, even though it may/may not have been the "highest damage lol" gun and still having a blast.

- I didn't really think about it, but I've never had to switch/rotate/pick up as many weapons in a FPS as I've had to do in this game. Looting is pretty fun since there's always the hope that something really neat will drop, they captured this from Diablo style RPG's pretty well.

- I wish we had more inventory space, but that's a preference. What this game really needed though is a Chest or Bank of some sort. It sucks to get a weapon that'll be hot in 2 levels and you go "well.. gotta have it eat up my inventory space I guess"

- The difficulty is wonky. Some stuff there's no possibly way you can die unless you leave for a few minutes, other stuff you might die but you'll likely pull through, and other stuff you just really really have no chance.

- The Multiplayer is a mess. I think a lot of people were suspicious when we found out GameSpy was doing the matchmaking - these fears have proven to be true.

- I thought the art style would bug me. I've been indifferent towards it, but really playing now I hardly notice it.

- This is not a "PC Shooter". It really feels like a console game in so many ways. The way they've implemented a lot of the PC support is retarded. They didn't need to delay the game to get people to buy the console versions, they should have just clearly explained how the PC version was going to be. The being said though : it's still a very fun game. It takes awhile to get used to the funkyness of the controls but once I did it's bearble and fun to play.

- Vehicle Driving implementation is odd. I guess it's more like how consoles do it. I don't think I've played A PC game that drives like that.

- I wish Crouch and Zoom were toggles and not "press down to use".

- Playing Soldier Medic at lvl 18 with a group is pretty frustrating. I can't reliably keep health up when people are getting hit in the group.

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
This game is pretty meh to me. Aside from the consolitus that others have mentioned, it seems to have a bit of an mmo grind to it. When I got the first quest to kill 5 random mob type, I was suspicious... then I got 4 or 5 more and it's like wtf? I love mmos and all, but forced grinding has no place single player/small scale multiplayer. D2 had some grindyness to it, but you were always moving towards a goal were as this game you seem to always be side tracked having to kill 8 bandits at this random location and run back to advance the story. Maybe, I just haven't played the game enough, but with the begining of the game already feeling grindy I can't imagine it's going to get any better.

It gets better... and it gets worse. The quests do start to vary, soon you'll get to do other grindy mainstays as

collecting "x" number of items, surrounded by mobs for you to kill!
collect "y" parts to create something, surrounded by mobs for you to kill!.
go "talk to this dude" at "this location, with mobs for you to kill on the way and nearby!

There's an arena challenge (ala Nagrand and whatever the new one in northrend was called in WoW). The quests do at least move in some forward progression for the story, even if you have to grind to get there.

 

gorcorps

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Jul 18, 2004
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Originally posted by: oogabooga
My opinions/Initial Impressions: Played a Siren to 13, Roland to 18.

<snip>

Couple clarifications:

3) you will get more inventory space when you start finding broken claptraps and doing those quests... they give you 4 spaces for each one you help

4) Each quest tells you how tough it will be at your current level, and is usually pretty accurate from what I've seen. A mission is considered 'normal' difficulty if it's within a couple levels of you, 'trivial' if it's 3 levels below or more, and 'tough' if it's 3 levels above you

8) Driving is awkward on the console as well IMO. Not a standard way of driving on the 360, and I guess on the PC as well.
 

oogabooga

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Originally posted by: gorcorps
Originally posted by: oogabooga
My opinions/Initial Impressions: Played a Siren to 13, Roland to 18.

<snip>

Couple clarifications:

3) you will get more inventory space when you start finding broken claptraps and doing those quests... they give you 4 spaces for each one you help

4) Each quest tells you how tough it will be at your current level, and is usually pretty accurate from what I've seen. A mission is considered 'normal' difficulty if it's within a couple levels of you, 'trivial' if it's 3 levels below or more, and 'tough' if it's 3 levels above you

8) Driving is awkward on the console as well IMO. Not a standard way of driving on the 360, and I guess on the PC as well.

3) Yea, I've gotten an inventory upgrade and I know there are more coming, but I just wish I could carry more still. Though as I say it's a personal preference for the on-character inventory and I guess it's unreasonable i'm carrying 18 guns around as is on top of the 3 i have equipped.

I do think it'd be nice if there was a bank/stash/chest of some sort.

4) Yea, and they give the rating. I think the sniper parts quest around level 12 was "normal" so i gave that a go and it just took a lot of effort. Compared to something like say 9toes.

8) Is it? I haven't played too many FPS with Vehicle games on console so I figured it was the way it was in consoles. I guess it's just the game implementation then. It just feels weird, but it's workable and certainly isn't neccesarily bad.. just odd.
 

Dorkenstein

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I went back today to try and re-fight the first boss since I got screwed out of my loot. He's not there anymore. Pretty annoyed. It makes sense that you can't farm him but I really wanted to try and get some good/decent loot out of it.
 

I4AT

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I canceled my pre orders to wait for the release date check to be patched out, guess I'll wait for some UI tweaks and bug fixes as well before picking this one up. It'd be hilarious if they went Iron Lore on everyone's asses and released an expansion pack that fixed all the UI problems, introduced 50 new bugs, and then shut down for good without ever patching.
 

Dorkenstein

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Does anyone else get their video card pretty hot when playing this? I have the settings maxed (they were maxed by default) and I have a GTX 285 paired with a Q9550. Anyway, the game runs smoothly and looks nice but after a short amount of time the video card starts to vent pretty hot air. Is this normal? If not, what settings can I lower without sacrificing too much picture quality?
 

Saulbadguy

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Jan 27, 2003
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Originally posted by: Dorkenstein
Does anyone else get their video card pretty hot when playing this? I have the settings maxed (they were maxed by default) and I have a GTX 285 paired with a Q9550. Anyway, the game runs smoothly and looks nice but after a short amount of time the video card starts to vent pretty hot air. Is this normal? If not, what settings can I lower without sacrificing too much picture quality?

I've got an ATI 4870 512mb and a C2D E6600 and max settings barely stresses my machine out. I did bump down AF from 16x to 8x though because I could tell no visible difference.
 

Jschmuck2

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Originally posted by: Dorkenstein
Does anyone else get their video card pretty hot when playing this? I have the settings maxed (they were maxed by default) and I have a GTX 285 paired with a Q9550. Anyway, the game runs smoothly and looks nice but after a short amount of time the video card starts to vent pretty hot air. Is this normal? If not, what settings can I lower without sacrificing too much picture quality?

Yeah my 4890 was throwing a lot hot air last night.
 

smackababy

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I got two install errors when I was installing this at lunch. Might have found fixes, but who knows... I am hoping to be able to play this some time soon.
 

Gothgar

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I had a lot of fun playing last night... took a bit to be able to connect with my friends... basically, you have to disable everything... twice.

Bezerk is fucking hilarious fun though, just run around and punch shit in the face and watch them insta die, lol
 

Gunslinger08

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I started with Roland. I'm wondering if I'd have more fun as another character. The turret seems like a pretty sweet special ability though. I really hate playing the same stuff over again, so I doubt I'll go back with a different class.
 

mwmorph

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
I started with Roland. I'm wondering if I'd have more fun as another character. The turret seems like a pretty sweet special ability though. I really hate playing the same stuff over again, so I doubt I'll go back with a different class.

The special abilities, if you build your character around them can be insanely effective. If you go for a full turret damage build, it can put down more damage than you would believe.
 

nitromullet

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Originally posted by: Dorkenstein
Does anyone else get their video card pretty hot when playing this? I have the settings maxed (they were maxed by default) and I have a GTX 285 paired with a Q9550. Anyway, the game runs smoothly and looks nice but after a short amount of time the video card starts to vent pretty hot air. Is this normal? If not, what settings can I lower without sacrificing too much picture quality?

This game seems to be pretty demanding on graphics cards. I can play 1920x1200 4xAAA/16AF max settings on my 5870, but trying 4xSSAA or 8xAAA causes it to tank in fps. If the GTX 285 is anything like the GTX 280, the fan will spin up when you put stress on the card - that's just the way it is.

It's gotten pretty chilly in Seattle lately, and I'm actually enjoying the fact that my Radeon is keeping me warm.

FYI: anyone playing with an ATI card and a non-Steam version can just rename the executable to UT3.exe and enable anti-aliasing from the CCC.
 

nitromullet

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Originally posted by: mwmorph
Originally posted by: joshsquall
I started with Roland. I'm wondering if I'd have more fun as another character. The turret seems like a pretty sweet special ability though. I really hate playing the same stuff over again, so I doubt I'll go back with a different class.

The special abilities, if you build your character around them can be insanely effective. If you go for a full turret damage build, it can put down more damage than you would believe.

Talking about builds... My first play through is with Lilith. I like the looks of this build:

http://www.borderlandsthegame....1505000050500555050500

I don't focus much on melee, and this looks like it will give decent fire power and resilience.

Thoughts, and what are other are people doing (any character)?
 

Zenoth

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Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: Zenoth
º I had to download a third-party program (nHancer) to enable A-A, as others have mentioned I don't believe that the PC platform was the basis of development, it's a port. Is it the end of the world? No. Is it acceptable? Certainly not (not because it's a port, what's unacceptable is the absence of in-game A-A), even if it's a port, and that's the point, some bad ports on PC do have A-A in-game options.

It's the unreal engine. It doesn't have AA. This isn't a port.

You mean no AA by default? Sure, I saw that. But at least we can force it with a third-party tool such as nHancer, and it does work. As for the "it's not a port because it's UE3" part... probably, probably not, but it sure feels and looks like it (lack of options, GUI). If it's not a port, then they should have made the effort to at least make it look like it isn't a port.

In the end however it doesn't "remove" the fun out of the game, I still like it.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: Zenoth
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: Zenoth
º I had to download a third-party program (nHancer) to enable A-A, as others have mentioned I don't believe that the PC platform was the basis of development, it's a port. Is it the end of the world? No. Is it acceptable? Certainly not (not because it's a port, what's unacceptable is the absence of in-game A-A), even if it's a port, and that's the point, some bad ports on PC do have A-A in-game options.

It's the unreal engine. It doesn't have AA. This isn't a port.

You mean no AA by default? Sure, I saw that. But at least we can force it with a third-party tool such as nHancer, and it does work. As for the "it's not a port because it's UE3" part... probably, probably not, but it sure feels and looks like it (lack of options, GUI). If it's not a port, then they should have made the effort to at least make it look like it isn't a port.

In the end however it doesn't "remove" the fun out of the game, I still like it.

The lack of options isn't because it's a port. I've seen lots of PC games lack even some of the options this game does have. It's stupid, and a downside, but isn't because of it being a port. The GUI issues... half of this is just sloppy I think. Like you can't hover over sniper proficiency. I get around the GUI just fine otherwise.
 

CottonRabbit

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Originally posted by: Malak

The lack of options isn't because it's a port. I've seen lots of PC games lack even some of the options this game does have. It's stupid, and a downside, but isn't because of it being a port. The GUI issues... half of this is just sloppy I think. Like you can't hover over sniper proficiency. I get around the GUI just fine otherwise.

It's sloppy because it's ported over from a UI designed for consoles. This should be painfully obvious if you have used a Windows computer in the last decade. I don't care if the devs keep claiming it's not a port, for the user, it navigates 100% like a port. You simply don't do things like enable mouse smoothing by default without a GUI option to turn it off on a PC game.
 

nitromullet

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Originally posted by: CottonRabbit
Originally posted by: Malak

The lack of options isn't because it's a port. I've seen lots of PC games lack even some of the options this game does have. It's stupid, and a downside, but isn't because of it being a port. The GUI issues... half of this is just sloppy I think. Like you can't hover over sniper proficiency. I get around the GUI just fine otherwise.

It's sloppy because it's ported over from a UI designed for consoles. This should be painfully obvious if you have used a Windows computer in the last decade. I don't care if the devs keep claiming it's not a port, for the user, it navigates 100% like a port. You simply don't do things like enable mouse smoothing by default without a GUI option to turn it off on a PC game.

I agree. They might have been developed on a PC, but I'm pretty sure it was compiled for and primarily play tested on a console. If they had actually played the game on a PC for any amount of time they would have fixed things that end users corrected via the .ini files in matter of hours after the game's release.

That being said, the game itself does play well on a high end PC, and looks pretty good to boot. The ability to edit .ini files to customize play is one of the strengths of PC gaming, if not one of its conveniences.
 

zerogear

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Originally posted by: Chriscross3234
My game completely freezes whenever I try to go the the MP Lobby...

Had that problem -- Updated nvidia drivers to 191.07 -- works fine now.
 

gorcorps

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Originally posted by: coreyb
So what's the word on this game after playing it for a few days now?

If you've watched gameplay vids and reviews, and it still sounds fun, then it's probably worth getting. If it doesn't look like a good time to you, then I don't think it's the game for you. It's a great game for certain gamers IMO, and all of the vids out there give a very good idea of what the game's about. It's kind of a grind for items and levels at some points, but that's fun for some folk.

I'm really enjoying it but can totally understand why others wouldn't
 

Zenoth

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Originally posted by: coreyb
So what's the word on this game after playing it for a few days now?

Look a few pages back (from the previous one), there's a couple of impressions posted, there's also the official Gearbox and Steam forums and Metacritic seeing new user reviews every day.
 
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