Boycott stops abortion clinic project...

[Insane3D]

CNN

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Weeks into the project, the contractor hired to build an abortion clinic hit a brick wall: Plumbers and carpenters would not work for him. Drywall installers and heating subcontractors would not do business with him. Cement suppliers for miles around would not touch the job.

He had been hit with a boycott organized by abortion foe and construction-industry executive Chris Danze.

The builder finally quit the job this month, stopping the clinic project in its tracks, in what national Planned Parenthood officials said was the first such boycott they have ever seen.

:disgust:

 

[Mrburns2007]

Wow that's amazing, maybe next time they say it is a McDonalds or walmart.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Wow that's amazing, maybe next time they say it is a McDonalds or walmart.

It sure beats bombing the clinic after it is built!

 

[Insane3D]

This part struck me as arrogant...

"This is going to be a battle," Danze said. "God does not want this thing built."

Woah...God is speaking directly to this guy...he must know what is right.

Yeah...nevermind all the people that would have benefited from the other services they offered. Oh well...I guess it's not surprising...this did happen in Texas..

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
This part struck me as arrogant...

"This is going to be a battle," Danze said. "God does not want this thing built."

Woah...God is speaking directly to this guy...he must know what is right.

Yeah...nevermind all the people that would have benefited from the other services they offered. Oh well...I guess it's not surprising...this did happen in Texas..

Not to worry, the people on the other side of the battle will go down there and give them a whipping into shape. See War thread.

 

[mastertech01]

We want to allow our citizens the right to burn the flag to demonstrate with thier freedom of expression. Yet we want to stop the power of the public, including private business to make a stand for what they believe in.

If some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of reprisals from customers, clients, or even government, recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last. "Ronald Reagan"

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: mastertech01
We want to allow our citizens the right to burn the flag to demonstrate with thier freedom of expression. Yet we want to stop the power of the public, including private business to make a stand for what they believe in.

If some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of reprisals from customers, clients, or even government, recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last. "Ronald Reagan"

Protesting is fine, burning the flag is fine. The Construction Magnate crossed the line in extorting people that if they help build the Project they will no longer be able to get any work. I would say that is a bit more than just protesting.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

"This is going to be a battle," Danze said. "God does not want this thing built."

I wonder why God doesn't stop the construction of nuclear submarines, ballistic missiles, or chemical weapons plants?

 

[no0b]

So whats the problem here? AFAIK boycotts arent illegal

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

"This is going to be a battle," Danze said. "God does not want this thing built."

I wonder why God doesn't stop the construction of nuclear submarines, ballistic missiles, or chemical weapons plants?

What's wrong with nuclear submarines?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Well, we could always use the $2B (correct me if I'm wrong) purchase/operational cost of a sub to nation build instead of threatening nuclear obliteration. Considering the average intelligence of nuclear sub crew . . . I think we could put that talent to better use . . . building a better America (and world).

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
This part struck me as arrogant...

"This is going to be a battle," Danze said. "God does not want this thing built."

Woah...God is speaking directly to this guy...he must know what is right.

Another quote by Mr. Danze

"This is good news for men who use women as sex objects. Bad news for women and children. The boycott continues."

Yeah...nevermind all the people that would have benefited from the other services they offered. Oh well...I guess it's not surprising...this did happen in Texas..

I agree that the proposed clinic should prove beneficial for a number of needy folks upon completion. The really sad thing about this whole mess is that Planned Parenthood isn't just an abortion clinic. The organization also provides valuable counseling and other services.

On one hand, the magnitude of this boycott surprised me a little because Austin normally differentiates itself from the rest of Texas as a community holding comparatively more liberal values. On the other hand, however, in addition to the long-established business relationships behind this boycott, many construction firms around here are somewhat influenced by churches. In other words, IMO, the "good old boy" network pulled this off.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Well, we could always use the $2B (correct me if I'm wrong) purchase/operational cost of a sub to nation build instead of threatening nuclear obliteration. Considering the average intelligence of nuclear sub crew . . . I think we could put that talent to better use . . . building a better America (and world).

$2B is a low estimate. Trident is the only one carrying nukes and we are reducing that number to 14 from 18. The rest of the sub fleet is engaged in a number of missions besides firing cruise missiles: Maritime Interdiction Operations (MIO), drug interdiction/enforcement, SOF operations, R & D ops with institutions such as Woods Hole, etc. and of course the more traditional roles. If you concede that there is a need to do all these things submarines are probably the most economical way to do it.

As far as the intelligence thing is concerned you obviously haven't had much exposure to sub crews.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Well, we could always use the $2B (correct me if I'm wrong) purchase/operational cost of a sub to nation build instead of threatening nuclear obliteration. Considering the average intelligence of nuclear sub crew . . . I think we could put that talent to better use . . . building a better America (and world).

$2B is a low estimate. Trident is the only one carrying nukes and we are reducing that number to 14 from 18. The rest of the sub fleet is engaged in a number of missions besides firing cruise missiles: Maritime Interdiction Operations (MIO), drug interdiction/enforcement, SOF operations, R & D ops with institutions such as Woods Hole, etc. and of course the more traditional roles. If you concede that there is a need to do all these things submarines are probably the most economical way to do it.

As far as the intelligence thing is concerned you obviously haven't had much exposure to sub crews.

Hmmm I took his comment about the intelligence of Bubble Heads to be rather flattering, not negative.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Well, we could always use the $2B (correct me if I'm wrong) purchase/operational cost of a sub to nation build instead of threatening nuclear obliteration. Considering the average intelligence of nuclear sub crew . . . I think we could put that talent to better use . . . building a better America (and world).

$2B is a low estimate. Trident is the only one carrying nukes and we are reducing that number to 14 from 18. The rest of the sub fleet is engaged in a number of missions besides firing cruise missiles: Maritime Interdiction Operations (MIO), drug interdiction/enforcement, SOF operations, R & D ops with institutions such as Woods Hole, etc. and of course the more traditional roles. If you concede that there is a need to do all these things submarines are probably the most economical way to do it.

As far as the intelligence thing is concerned you obviously haven't had much exposure to sub crews.

Hmmm I took his comment about the intelligence of Bubble Heads to be rather flattering, not negative.

So did I and my response was tongue-in-cheek.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Hmm, now that I think about it . . . that's an awful lot of re-circulated air . . .

 

[Mill]

Sounds like private businesses are listening to the public. I guess you want the government to force this clinic to be built then?

 

[DealMonkey]

This is pure extortion. I see very little difference between what the Texas Contractors and Suppliers for Life Association did and what 'Fat Tony' does when he shakes down a business for some extra cash.

"I can't vouch for your safety or your financial well-being if you don't comply..."

Maybe dmcowan is right - there's clearly a religious front forming between the red states and blue states. Pretty soon, people who wish to be free from persecution by religion will have to flee north or to the coasts.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
This is pure extortion. I see very little difference between what the Texas Contractors and Suppliers for Life Association did and what 'Fat Tony' does when he shakes down a business for some extra cash.

"I can't vouch for your safety or your financial well-being if you don't comply..."

Maybe dmcowan is right - there's clearly a religious front forming between the red states and blue states. Pretty soon, people who wish to be free from persecution by religion will have to flee north or to the coasts.

I see little difference between what Texas Contractors and Suppliers for Life Association did and what Unions do all the time. I don't think it's neccessarily "right" what they did, but they can who they give contracts to. Unions force these sorts of things all the time. But wait...Unions only protect the worker

The issue at hand is irrelevant because powerful trade organizations(especially Unions) do this all the time. But it is nice to see that the left is getting their panties in a bunch because of this "walk out" and "lock out" by this organization. I just hope they wake up and start thinking about the other Orgs that do basically the same thing. Because...the end result is basically the same...isn't it DealMonkey?

CkG

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Actually it's really the reasonable people in the middle being "squeezed" by radicals on the left AND right.

 

[UltraQuiet]

"I can't vouch for your safety or your financial well-being if you don't comply..."

To me that is the line that has to be crossed in order for this to be considered extortion. There is no indication from the linked article that that has happened however it would not surprise me if it had. Well organized boycotts like this have their place in this country. As long as they are privately organized and no laws are broken.

BTW, just for the record, I believe in the womans right to choose and I have volunteered as an escort to help women cross picket lines at abortion clinics so I don't want to hear about any of this conservative, pro-life crap.

Hmm, now that I think about it . . . that's an awful lot of re-circulated air . . .

It's n-not the a-air, Doc i-i-t's that d-d-damned lack of sh-shielding.

 

[Crimson]

Geez, maybe the majority of people in the United States DON'T agree with abortion? The hypocracy here is amazing. Could you imagine what you guys would be saying if contractors refused to build an anti-abortion groups building? You guys would ALL be praising them for being great Americans, standing up for what they believe in, etc..

But, since you want to force abortion onto the majority who oppose it.. you find this shocking and wrong.

An environmental group chains themselves to a building to stop work or prevent destruction of something, and you guys cheer. A company decides they would not like to do business with an abortion clinic, and you guys acuse them of being thugs. Whats the difference? The first action is illegal, the 2nd legal.. yet you guys seem to support the illegal actions when it goes with what you agree with, and call the legal actions illegal or immoral when they go against what you think.

So, basically what you guys are arguing.. is that I, as a business owner, should be FORCED to build abortion clinics?

Another shocking thing to me, is that Insane3d is ANGRY over the lack of an abortion clinic. Like, all we need to make this country a great place is MORE abortion clinics. My god, this country would be perfect if we could build abortion clinics EVERYWHERE. An abortion clinic on every corner! What a great day for America that would be. Maybe, Insane3d, you should encourage people to use alternatives to abortion.. I mean, if someone chooses to give up a baby for adoption rather than abortion, are you actually ANGRY at them? You would actually prefer they kill their child wouldn't you?

Sick bastards.. the majority of America doesn't agree with you.. get over it!

And WTF do Nuclear Subs have to do with this? Can't you guys make one single rational argument?

 

[Crimson]

BTW, just for the record, I believe in the womans right to choose and I have volunteered as an escort to help women cross picket lines at abortion clinics so I don't want to hear about any of this conservative, pro-life crap.

How proud you must be. I put you right up there with those who stormed Normandy.. a true American hero.. **COUGH*** Have you ever tried talking a woman out of an abortion? Or are you so hell bent on promoting abortion that you would do anything in your power to see babies continued to be aborted? I bet seeing a child grow up that was going to be aborted would make you feel much better.. you should try it sometime.. Shouldn't the goal of Americans be to make it as easy as possible to AVOID aborting the child?

I am not in favor of abortion, but I am not sure I would argue it should be completely outlawed. However, abortions because of convenience are wrong.. and I wouldn't be proud to be assisting in killing of humans for reasons of convenience. And don't hand me the line that abortions are nearly always for medical reasons or whatever.. its simply not true.

I think the pro-abortion crowd is so hell bent on making sure abortion nevers becomes illegal, that they forget that the real goal should be finding ways to prevent as many from possible from happening. Wouldn't it make more sense, that if the reason why a woman is having an abortion is financial, that we try to find some way to help her financially support the child (ie, finding her a good job), rather than finding ways to make it easier to have an abortion? Why is life so worthless to you people? Why when you claim you care about people's right to chose, do you forget that they have a right to chose something ELSE? Like, maybe HAVING the baby? You don't support a right to chose, you support abortion and will fight to make sure the other side never even has a chance to try to convince people otherwise.

BTW: This message is not soley or completely directed at Ultra Quiet.

 

[UltraQuiet]

I am neither proud of nor embarrased by it. I also misspoke a little bit. The clinic was one similiar to the one trying to be built in that they offered a wide range of medical and planned parenthood type services. I did not ask nor did I care why the women were there. The clinic couldn't afford their own security and the police were less than helpful. I escorted the women to and from their cars, through a picket line, and I would do it again if asked.

 

[Drensch]

Shouldn't the goal of Americans be to make it as easy as possible to AVOID aborting the child?

You mean like the health clinic that they stopped the construction of?

I think the pro-abortion crowd is so hell bent on making sure abortion nevers becomes illegal, that they forget that the real goal should be finding ways to prevent as many from possible from happening.

Nobody is pro-abortion. That said, the goal of said clinic was to avoid abortions.


[Q}You don't support a right to chose, you support abortion and will fight to make sure the other side never even has a chance to try to convince people otherwise.[/quote]


No.