Bud Selig is ruining Baseball.

N8Magic

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I truly believe that this man is trying to run baseball into the ground.

I don't think there has ever been one single commissioner who has done SO much damage to the game. Case in point, last night at the All Star Game.

First, he ends the game after 11 innings tied at seven. Why? Because the teams ran out of pitchers.
The 1967 all-star game went 15 innings. I believe he ended it as he has a vested interest as the owner of the Brewers, and didn't want to upset other owners by wearing out their pitchers. But what about the fans Bud? Baseball SHOULDN'T END IN A TIE. Surely one of the players on the field had some pitching experience in college and could have been used as a pitcher. (with them having little practice at pitching, the game surely would have ended quickly.)

Second, Ted Williams dies and they rename the MVP award in his honour. BUT, Bud Selig decides that there should be no award this year as the game ended in a tie. Hey Bud! The award is given to the player that is most valuable to his team, not to the person who drives in the winning run. What a slap in the face to the fans.


Third, he completely refuses to address the issue of steroids in baseball. As with most other professional sports, steroids should be illegal in baseball. Why? They ruin peoples lives, and more and more youngsters these days are being virtually forced to take them so they can keep up with the other marquis players in the league who are already on the juice. And while all of this is going on, my good friend Bud is sitting on the fence stating "We'll look into it, but we're not even sure theres a problem".


Fourth is the issue of the ongoing contract negotiations. How can the commissioner of baseball be unbiased and impartial during negotiations with the players when he is the owner of a MLB team? (he doesn't directly own the team, his daughter does, and I believe she is a puppet) All the players are asking for is that the owners open the accounting books and show them the figures that they are losing money, but our good buddy Bud refuses to accept this as part of the contract. If you have nothing to hide, why keep the accounting books under lock and key Bud? If the players were to see that most of the teams lose a substantial amount of money, i'm sure they would renegotiate their contracts or agree to some sort of salary cap to ensure that they still have a job a few years from now.

End of rant. :|
 

Sepen

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Agreed, but,,,,you are foirgetting the players. From what I had read most of the Star players who started had left the dugout by the 4th and 5th innings and took off.

I could care less about Baseball. I was a huge Yankee fan and have probably over 10k worth of memoribilia. But the game is so different as opposed to what I grew up loving. Let them strike, let the owners go broke and best of all let the players try and live on 50k a year.


 

Red Dawn

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Agreed, but,,,,you are foirgetting the players. From what I had read most of the Star players who started had left the dugout by the 4th and 5th innings and took off.
I would have kept Bonds in the whole game. He probably would have hit at least one more dinger.

And what was with Zito pitching to just one batter? Also Torre screwed up by having 5 shortstops. He should have picked another pitcher or two. These Managers are so worried about the players egos that they play them all by the 9th. I remember when there were always a player or 3 that didn't get into the allstar game.The AS game debacle shouldn't fall squarley on Seligs shoulders.Brenly and Torre deserve some of the blame (actually most of it)
 

UNCjigga

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I thought it was Brenly who said he had run out of pitchers--so they ended the game because they weren't going to force the NL to forfeit...

...of course I could be wrong...
 

pyonir

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Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
I thought it was Brenly who said he had run out of pitchers--so they ended the game because they weren't going to force the NL to forfeit...

...of course I could be wrong...

they both ran out. Freddy Garcia and Padilla were the last two.
 

MrChicken

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The simple answer was to have the AL lose by default. They couldnt field a team in the 12th, so they lose.
But that would have embarrased the manager.....

Just think about this, in the regular season could a manger simply say to the Ump, "hey we are out pitchers, lets make it a tie"?
 

N8Magic

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Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
I thought it was Brenly who said he had run out of pitchers--so they ended the game because they weren't going to force the NL to forfeit...

...of course I could be wrong...

they both ran out. Freddy Garcia and Padilla were the last two.

Both are starting pitchers that could've gone another 4 innings easily on top of the 2 they had already pitched.
 

denali

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Clueless Bud has done alot of damage to the game last night couldn't of happened any better in my opinion to show just that. How stupid to you have to be to screw up the All-Star game in your home town.

The managers are also to blame. What is up with taking 5 shortstops and mostly relievers as pitchers. Also I don't understand this notion that everyone has to play, it didn't use to be that way.

Since they decided in the middle of the inning that the game was going to end at the end of the inning Torre should have told the pitcher to grove the pitches in their so the NL would win. Either that or do as Curt Schilling suggested and play home run berby for the win I think the fans would have gone for that.
 

pyonir

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Originally posted by: N8Magic

Both are starting pitchers that could've gone another 4 innings easily on top of the 2 they had already pitched.

i never said they couldn't have gone another 4. but if you were the owner of the Mariners, would you have wanted your ace pitching another 4 innings in a meaningless (in the standings) game?
 
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i said it before and will say it again...winner of the allstar game should have home field in the world series...that would solve all the allstar woe's...


and bud selig sux a big one
 

N8Magic

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Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: N8Magic

Both are starting pitchers that could've gone another 4 innings easily on top of the 2 they had already pitched.

i never said they couldn't have gone another 4. but if you were the owner of the Mariners, would you have wanted your ace pitching another 4 innings in a meaningless (in the standings) game?
Yes, for the good of the game, and the entertainment of the fans who paid a LOT of money to see that game.

So he misses ONE start, or gets moved back in the rotation. Big deal.
 

pyonir

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Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: N8Magic

Both are starting pitchers that could've gone another 4 innings easily on top of the 2 they had already pitched.

i never said they couldn't have gone another 4. but if you were the owner of the Mariners, would you have wanted your ace pitching another 4 innings in a meaningless (in the standings) game?
Yes, for the good of the game, and the entertainment of the fans who paid a LOT of money to see that game.

So he misses ONE start, or gets moved back in the rotation. Big deal.

or throws out his arm. i agree with you, but the managers shouldn't have used all the pitchers if they were that worried about it.
 

SludgeFactory

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Agreed, but,,,,you are foirgetting the players. From what I had read most of the Star players who started had left the dugout by the 4th and 5th innings and took off.
I would have kept Bonds in the whole game. He probably would have hit at least one more dinger.

And what was with Zito pitching to just one batter? Also Torre screwed up by having 5 shortstops. He should have picked another pitcher or two. These Managers are so worried about the players egos that they play them all by the 9th. I remember when there were always a player or 3 that didn't get into the allstar game.The AS game debacle shouldn't fall squarley on Seligs shoulders.Brenly and Torre deserve some of the blame (actually most of it)
Absolutely, Brenly and Torre are the ones to blame, although Selig is the one who ends up with egg all over his face. 15 years ago, it would have been unheard of for every man to get into the game unless it was a blowout. Torre has managed so many of the games the last 7 years, and has been doing it this way (get every man in the game) the whole time. And it finally blew up in his face last night. Brenly can't be excused either. This scenario never should have happened, at least not until the 19th or 20th inning.

What would have happened last night if one of the managers had done his job and still had 3 pitchers left, while the other had none? Then one of these bozos would have gotten shown up like he deserved.

They managed themselves into a corner last night, and then ran crying to Bud Selig to fix it. Given a chance to make a bold decision and provide some real leadership, Bud failed again. Not surprising.

 

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I agree the all star game was a joke, but this is a symptom not a problem

the problem lies in the fact that MOST PLAYERS ARE STUPID. Is it me or does anyone else realize, that IF PLAYERS WIN OUT IN THIS NEGOTIATION AGAIN, 1/3 of the owners will just bankrupt their teams and mlb will be reduced by 1/3. come on face it, small market teams cannot be competitive anymore. this isn't even the '80's when the royals were able to win. we've come a long way from then and it will only get worse if the PLAYERS have their way. THE PLAYERS association, NOT SELIG is the real poison in baseball. it kills me to say this, because i hate selig, but face it, when is the last time that the owners won a negotiation with a stoppage of play?? well, uhh, NEVER, that's when. Owners have been getting richer and richer and players have been demanding more and more, the owners kept conceding because there was soo much money in baseball, well guess what look what happened to ENRON FIELD. Rich people no longer have what they used too. 25 million a year for a player is LUDICROUS. I'm sorry, but it's the players that are ruining baseball.
 

joe678

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Originally posted by: brtspears2
I just want an all-star game in San Francisco

New stadium, nice city.

if that game was in yankee stadium i'll bet selig would have gotten what he deserves...
 

LakerGod

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In recent years, baseball has really given no reason for fans to come out to the games. The fact that there is a strong love of this game in this country is the only reason fans actually come out and pay those prices for tickets. Major League Baseball needs to check themselves (and remove Selig ).
 

Red Dawn

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In recent years, baseball has really given no reason for fans to come out to the games.
Same thing with the NBA and the NFL. The skill level has dropped more in those two leagues than it has in the MLB
 

PRLJMN

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I agree with most of what you said, but you have to remember that the All-Star Game means nothing, and that the players playing the game do. Yeah it ended in a tie, so what? It went 11 innings for Christ's sake! How can you say that the fans didn't get there money's worth?

I actually (for the first time) applaud Bud for making this decision. You don't want to send your pitchers back to their respective teams with tired and sore arms that are expected to pitch in the next couple of days. I'm actually surprised the top name pitchers even decide to play because of the risk involved.
 

SludgeFactory

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Originally posted by: PRLJMN
I'm actually surprised the top name pitchers even decide to play because of the risk involved.
If it's gotten to that point, then the All-star game HAS to be eliminated.



 
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