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rezanat0r

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Was wondering if I could get some help here. Looking to build a new computer. I DO NOT do any gaming. This computer will mainly be used for programming.
Seems like most of you guys are big fans of Athlon. I know they are probably better for gaming, but will I be better off going Intel due to my needs?

Probably gonna get a gig of ram, 9800 pro video card, everything else? advice appreciated
 

jpeyton

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Get the $223 Athlon 64 2800+ / Chaintech motherboard combo at Newegg. Get your gig of RAM. If you "DO NOT do any gaming", why even bother with a 9800PRO? Just get a 9600SE or something cheap and fanless. Get a nice Antec case, like a 2650 BQE. And a Hitachi or Samsung SATA hard drive.

Everything can be found at Newegg or ZipZoomFly.

Out.
 

DaveSimmons

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You don't list any budget constraints, goals, wants.

CPU: for software development anything over P4 2 GHz or XP 2500+ should be fine. My P4C 3.2 GHz is definitely nicer than the P3 933 MHz it replaced for VC++ work, but the 933 got the job done too.

9800 Pro video card is a waste for a non-gamer, unless you really mean "not much of a gamer."

1 GB of RAM is perfect, though if you use Virtual PC / VMWare heavily to run server apps like SQL server, exchange then you might benefit from 1.5 - 2 GB instead.

Two hard drives is nice (if no budget limit) since you can copy from one to the other as an instant backup, as well as keep partition image backups of C: on a different physical disk.

A DVD burner is cheap now and will let you back up mass quantities (like partition image) more easily than CD.
 

Tostada

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If you don't do any gaming, you still want something with a good DVI out if you're not on a tight budget, and you might as well pay the extra $2 for a 128-bit card, but other than that you certainly have no use for a $100+ card.

This is where I'd start off:

$81 Athlon XP 2500+ Barton Retail
$14.99 + $5 Arctic Cooling Copper Silent 2TC
$58 Shuttle AN35N-Ultra
$54 Sapphire Radeon 9200 128-bit
$93.99 160GB Hitachi 7K250, 8MB, 3-year
$158 2 x 512MB Mushkin PC3200 CL 2.5
$78.99 NEC 2510A DVD burner
$76 + $15 Antec SLK2700-BQE

$635.97 delivered

Actually, even if you're not going to overclock, I'd get a $77 Mobile Athlon instead, just so you could set the speed wherever you want and leave the RAM at PC3200.
 
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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
You don't list any budget constraints, goals, wants.

Exactly. The "programming" needs of a webmonkey and a 3D developer would be worlds apart.

I think we can all agree on "gobs of HDD space" as a fairly high priority, as well as "oodles of RAM" though.

- M4H
 

trexpesto

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No links, but some considerations..

I'd like the security of running Raid-1 on 2 of the same hard drives. Need to make sure the MB supports that, or you can get a PCI card. Other mb things are gigabit ethernet and dual ethernet ports. Motherboard performance can be a factor, and the memory controller for Intel boards, I think.

Monitor refresh rates at your preferred screen size are important if in front of the screen all day (80 Hz and up for me), as are the other creature comforts like chair, mouse, keyboard.

If doing regular backups, perhaps get a rewriting DVD so you dont burn thru the media so fast.

Kingwin KT-424 is pretty and very well built, need a separate power supply.

1 gig of RAM is just enuf if running your IDE, db, app server, etc. Or god forbid WinXP which likes ~ 200MB by itself. Make sure you have a good upgrade path, like 3 mem slots or consider a 1 gig stick up front. Don't need the fastest CAS timings if you are not in a big hurry. Value RAM of the right speed should be OK. Whatever of the good brands is cheaper at the moment. Corsair, Crucial, Kingston, Mushkin, OCZ, possibly Geil now.

As far as CPU, you may want to consider running stock if you haven't overclocked before, lessens the research/learning/worry/fun curve a bit. Plus, noise is a factor when programming all day, may not want to be overclocking with a loud CPU fan. Without knowing the money constraint it's hard to tell where your comfort level is going to fall on the price : perf chart. Intel or AMD is a tossup, Prescotts run hot though. May be able to find more people in these forums with AMD, so that could mean more support.

I had a cheap NVidia MX-440 video card that worked great.

Good Luck and Good Hunting!

EDIT: I believe mobo-native SATA raid is more common than IDE raid, so be aware that is a distinction.
 

rezanat0r

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wow. thanks for your help guys. yeah, 9800 pro is getting a little greedy I know. Thinking that I might be doing some video editing also, so thats why I mentioned it.
OK, time to shop around based on your feedback.
 

Mik3y

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just because the athlon is better for games does not mean intel is better at programming and etc for your needs. being good at games just means that the cpu is faster at transferring data from teh cpu to the memory. this means that the athlon 64 is faster.
 

mechBgon

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Do you happen to have a serious network at work, as in, gigabit switches and fileservers with PCI-X-based gigabit? If so, you might benefit from something that's got native gigabit (as opposed to gigabit that's tacked onto the PCI bus). I've ordered up an Asus K8N-E Deluxe for my work rig, and it'll be plugging straight into the all-gigabit backbone, starting Tuesday :evil:

If you want reliability and performance, and don't need gobs of storage capacity on your local system, consider a couple of 15000rpm SCSI drives and an LSI Logic 21320R running them in RAID1. I can tell you there are some situations where my relatively-slow Cheetah 15k.3 will outperform a "good" 7200rpm ATA drive by a factor of over 250% in an I/O-intense work task. I'm not a programmer, but my understanding was that some forms of coding can be I/O-intensive too... ask your peers if you're not sure, or just ask yourself if you end up sitting around waiting while your IDE-activity light lights up solid for a while while CPU usage floats around 20-60% for lack of enough data to max it out.

SCSI drives are built for long life under server usage, so you can expect it to be reliable. But it's expensive up front on a per-GB basis, so see if you can research your I/O situation. If what you do involves a lot of seek activity, I think it might be worth at least trying it with one drive. PM me if you want further input.
 
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Originally posted by: mechBgon
Do you happen to have a serious network at work, as in, gigabit switches and fileservers with PCI-X-based gigabit? If so, you might benefit from something that's got native gigabit (as opposed to gigabit that's tacked onto the PCI bus). I've ordered up an Asus K8N-E Deluxe for my work rig, and it'll be plugging straight into the all-gigabit backbone, starting Tuesday :evil:

If you want reliability and performance, and don't need gobs of storage capacity on your local system, consider a couple of 15000rpm SCSI drives and an LSI Logic 21320R running them in RAID1. I can tell you there are some situations where my relatively-slow Cheetah 15k.3 will outperform a "good" 7200rpm ATA drive by a factor of over 250% in an I/O-intense work task. I'm not a programmer, but my understanding was that some forms of coding can be I/O-intensive too... ask your peers if you're not sure, or just ask yourself if you end up sitting around waiting while your IDE-activity light lights up solid for a while while CPU usage floats around 20-60% for lack of enough data to max it out.

SCSI drives are built for long life under server usage, so you can expect it to be reliable. But it's expensive up front on a per-GB basis, so see if you can research your I/O situation. If what you do involves a lot of seek activity, I think it might be worth at least trying it with one drive. PM me if you want further input.

mechBgon? Endorsing SCSI? Why, I nevAr!

If there's going to be lots of video editing involved, I'd say it's definitely worth the funds. Mmm, drive throughput.

- M4H
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Do you happen to have a serious network at work, as in, gigabit switches and fileservers with PCI-X-based gigabit? If so, you might benefit from something that's got native gigabit (as opposed to gigabit that's tacked onto the PCI bus). I've ordered up an Asus K8N-E Deluxe for my work rig, and it'll be plugging straight into the all-gigabit backbone, starting Tuesday :evil:

If you want reliability and performance, and don't need gobs of storage capacity on your local system, consider a couple of 15000rpm SCSI drives and an LSI Logic 21320R running them in RAID1. I can tell you there are some situations where my relatively-slow Cheetah 15k.3 will outperform a "good" 7200rpm ATA drive by a factor of over 250% in an I/O-intense work task. I'm not a programmer, but my understanding was that some forms of coding can be I/O-intensive too... ask your peers if you're not sure, or just ask yourself if you end up sitting around waiting while your IDE-activity light lights up solid for a while while CPU usage floats around 20-60% for lack of enough data to max it out.

SCSI drives are built for long life under server usage, so you can expect it to be reliable. But it's expensive up front on a per-GB basis, so see if you can research your I/O situation. If what you do involves a lot of seek activity, I think it might be worth at least trying it with one drive. PM me if you want further input.

mechBgon? Endorsing SCSI? Why, I nevAr!

If there's going to be lots of video editing involved, I'd say it's definitely worth the funds. Mmm, drive throughput.

- M4H
Hey, I resemble that remark! :frown:




*waits for 15 people to march in and flaunt StorageReview benchmarks at me*

C'mon Seagate, get those Cheetah 15k.4's out the door already... :evil:
 
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