Bulldozer Win 8 RTM Benchmarks

[os2wiz]

Ok, so i was searching for this type of comparisons for some time now, and i never found anything wich made me even more anxious to try my FX 6100 on Win 8 since it was said that bulldozer runs better on win 8 .

So today i did some comparison tests between Win 7 x64 and Win 8 x64 (RTM, updated).

My computer :

AMD FX 6100 @ 3800 GHZ
GPU : MSI Radeon 7850 Power Edition
RAM : 8GB Kingston Hyperx 1600Mhz
Motherboard : Asus AM3+ something.

Cinebench 11.5

Win8

Multi : 4.72

Single : 0.95

Win 7

Multi : 4.72

Single : 0.94
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PC Mark 7 - Basic

Win 8 : 2597

Win7 : 2785
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PassMark 8

Win8 : 1901

Win 7 : 2115
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3dMark Vantage

Win8 :

3DMark Score
17734 3DMarks
Graphics Score
19093
CPU Score
14614
Jane Nash
59.45 FPS
New Calico
52.28 FPS
AI Test
2032 operations/s
Physics Test
19 operations/s

Win7 :

3DMark Score
17781 3DMarks
Graphics Score
19142
CPU Score
14654
Jane Nash
59.76 FPS
New Calico
52.25 FPS
AI Test
2022 operations/s
Physics Test
19 operations/s


Wasnt this CPU family supposed to work better on Win 8 ? I remember tomshardware doing some tests in the Consumer Preview and they got like 10+ fps in world of warcraft

This test was NOT done with an 8-core processor so it is NOT relevant at all. Four unused cores certainly does hamper performance and lead to bottlenecks. This must be done with an FX-8150 and better yet with aFX-8350 where most of the cache misses due to branch prediction errors are eliminated. Ultimately steamroller the end of the year will be the best solution but I think the Vishera FX-8350 will hold its own better than mad dog OBR and his fellow Intel shills indicate.

 

[Maximilian]

I thought they patched windows 7 so it did better with bulldozer?

Anyways it would take one hell of a performance improvement for me to consider using that tabletized POS.

 

[Idontcare]

I thought they patched windows 7 so it did better with bulldozer?

Anyways it would take one hell of a performance improvement for me to consider using that tabletized POS.

Somewhere floating around here in the forum is an AMD marketing slide that was bandied about a lot in heated arguments in which said slide claimed bulldozer would see a 5-10% "uplift" in performance with the patched Win7 scheduler as well as an additional 5-10% "uplift" in performance with the Win8 scheduler.

The slide stuck in my mind for two reasons - the seemingly absurdly high expectations of how much performance improvement was going to come from Redmond WA and the insistence on using the awkward term "uplift" instead of the more universally adopted term "increase".

 

[Rvenger]

I think there was an increase until they took the patch offline and revised it again.

 

[Shamrock]

See, that's all fine and dandy imho.

My problem comes with the fact that they FORCE it on you rather than just give you more options. I don't even have a problem with metrostart and nontransparency being the default win8 look/interface. I do have a problem with a less intrusive start menu and aero glass being thrown under the bus to satisfy a design ethos that is obviously focused on touch/low horsepower devices.

Let's also not forget UEFI Secure Boot. Your OS is "locked down" to your PC.

No more multi-booting. Linux has a "workaround" but it's glitchy.

 

[NTMBK]

Ultimately steamroller the end of the year will be the best solution

If you're expecting Steamroller this year, don't hold your breath...

 

[jones377]

Somewhere floating around here in the forum is an AMD marketing slide that was bandied about a lot in heated arguments in which said slide claimed bulldozer would see a 5-10% "uplift" in performance with the patched Win7 scheduler as well as an additional 5-10% "uplift" in performance with the Win8 scheduler.

The slide stuck in my mind for two reasons - the seemingly absurdly high expectations of how much performance improvement was going to come from Redmond WA and the insistence on using the awkward term "uplift" instead of the more universally adopted term "increase".

The claims sounded outlandish because they were. The improved scheduler changed it so that the threads were spread out across the modules on BD before putting 2 threads on the modules. This will improve the MT scaling in theory. The problem is that this also negates the turbo mode when only a single module is being used and the others are powered down. The net result is almost a +/- 0 across a wider set of benchmarks. Some improved while a few actually got slightly worse performance with the new scheduler.

This is different from what JF and AMD claimed initially before BD was released. He said that BD would not get better or worse MT scaling with the OS scheduler due to the turbo mode. Then all the sudden AMD changed it's mind when news of the improved Win7 scheduler for BD and the upcoming Win8 started hitting the news. It was both hilarious and sad at the same time. It would seem that AMD marketing creates most of the slides without consulting engineering first. One wonders who actually sets the design goals too?

 

[know of fence]

Overall it's a few steps sideways, a few steps back, and some very questionable new features that really seem only useful for tablet/touch/phone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_8

And a short list it is so far, a few excerpts.

• Start screen lacks the global "Recent Documents" menu

• Start screen lacks the automatically filling by usage tracking "Most Frequently Used" (MFU) programs list, each with its "Recent Documents" menu.

Bravo! This "auto surveillance" stuff was just creepy and ever since XP it was asking to get you into trouble, or inviting you to get into someone else's shit. People using this quickly lose track of where they put their stuff.

 

[Idontcare]

If you're expecting Steamroller this year, don't hold your breath...

If the rumors are true that it hasn't even taped out yet, and not only that but the tapeout itself is delayed due to impending layoffs in that team, then yeah it is suddenly going to be questionable if Steamroller is even a 2013 product. But definitely not a 2012, no way its possible if the tape-out rumors are true.

It would seem that AMD marketing creates most of the slides without consulting engineering first.

In one sentence I think you managed to capture exactly what the key miscommunication and "false expectation setting" problem is with AMD.

You are right, in hindsight, the gap between the hype and reality does seem to come from internal miscommunication first, and the wrong people deciding they know what the product engineers are doing with the product's design.

And it continues even now. All we have been told to expect of steamroller and jaguar for performance and power-usage comes from simulations, yet again, and have no basis in realoty or sanity check from silicon. (and you can't have silicon if you haven't taped out yet)

 

[guskline]

I bought an 8150 to utilize my Asus Sabertooth 990FX mb. I waited until I could snag the 8150 for $169 so I'm pleased. I was hoping the PileDriver would be a significant improvement but apparently not. On a lighter not it's too bad the AMD slide designers didn't also make the CPU. They have over puffed the performance to the point that almost no one has faith in their claims.

BTW, I have the 8150 tweeked to 4.6Ghz (21 x 219 and STABLE) and on Cinebench 11.5 I get 7.51 so the 7.55 mark for a 8350 at 4.5/4.6 Turbo is not a big jump up.

Unfortunately for AMD, most 8350 sales will be frustrated AM3+ mb owners who did not jump at the 8150 due to the performance and now want some cpu to use the AM3+ mb. Ironically, if the 8150 drops further in price it might not be a bad buy considering the price. Just be prepared to buy a high end cooler and have a good PSU to push the OC to get the performance.

 

[sm625]

Those benchmarks seem to further indicate that windows 8 is in fact even more bloated and resource-wasting than windows 7. Microsoft just cannot help themselves. I bet winsxs bloats to 38 GB in 6 months ...