Bulldozers Weak/Strong points?

[Mugenx]

AMD = A Motherload of Disappointment

AMD will be a step or ten behind Intel in terms of performance. AMD is budget oriented though. If anything is good about the Bulldozer then, shouldn't there be a glint of hope or leak about their upcoming first lineup and their benches. There is none. So, here's to a disappointing launch for Bulldozer.

AMD also claimed in that "one" supposedly leaked slide that their 8-core proc is 50% faster than Intels quad core of last year. You don't say! 8-core is 50% faster than intels 4-core.

Intel all the way until AMD get's their shenanigans together.

 

[Kuzi]

A major weak point is the slow L3 cache. There is a lot of it, but it's slow. I wouldn't be surprised if Bulldozer is only 20% faster per clock than the PII architecture.

If by slow you mean slower than the L3 cache in SB then maybe, but it won't be slower than the L3 in Phenom II.

Did you mean 20% faster per clock performance for each core? Honestly I only see BD having between 5-15% higher IPC than PII, but it should offer greatly improved power efficiency and higher clocks. It seems likely to me that BD would fall slightly behind SB in performance even with higher clocks (1 to 4 threads), but once more threads are added a 4-module BD should overtake a 4-core SB. Of course price will be a major factor here, so we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Topweasel]

AMD = A Motherload of Disappointment

AMD will be a step or ten behind Intel in terms of performance. AMD is budget oriented though. If anything is good about the Bulldozer then, shouldn't there be a glint of hope or leak about their upcoming first lineup and their benches. There is none. So, here's to a disappointing launch for Bulldozer.

AMD also claimed in that "one" supposedly leaked slide that their 8-core proc is 50% faster than Intels quad core of last year. You don't say! 8-core is 50% faster than intels 4-core.

Intel all the way until AMD get's their shenanigans together.

Lets not let another CPU thread degrade into some Intel vs. AMD nonsense with flamebait.

 

[formulav8]

AMD = A Motherload of Disappointment

AMD will be a step or ten behind Intel in terms of performance. AMD is budget oriented though. If anything is good about the Bulldozer then, shouldn't there be a glint of hope or leak about their upcoming first lineup and their benches. There is none. So, here's to a disappointing launch for Bulldozer.

AMD also claimed in that "one" supposedly leaked slide that their 8-core proc is 50% faster than Intels quad core of last year. You don't say! 8-core is 50% faster than intels 4-core.

Intel all the way until AMD get's their shenanigans together.

What was the purpose of this post?

 

[Lonbjerg]

What was the purpose of this post?

Weak and strong points...although it seems like some people wan't it to be all good and nothing "negative"...

 

[GlacierFreeze]

Weak and strong points...although it seems like some people wan't it to be all good and nothing "negative"...

The purpose wasn't about the negatives, it was trolling with no real data to back up any potential, real negative.

 

[OCGuy]

Another BD speculation thread.......

 

[formulav8]

Another BD speculation thread.......

And yet you bumped and posted in it. How hard would it have been for you to simply ignore it? :\

 

[Lonbjerg]

The purpose wasn't about the negatives, it was trolling with no real data to back up any potential, real negative.

You have facts about the performance?

 

[GlacierFreeze]

You have facts about the performance?

Does he? Negatory chief. He spouted off a bunch of trollish nonsense and you believe him. lol

 

[Gikaseixas]

Can't figure it out just yet. Still a big unknown.

 

[stevech]

For 10+ years I've bought only AMD CPUs (mid-range, not a gamer), and never had any issues whatsoever, no high temperatures, blah.
Very satisfied. I also tend to use only ASUS, avoid ECS and el cheapos. Just trying to do my part to foster competition.

Without AMD's competitive pressue, what would an Intel CPU cost?
Want more monopolies?

 

[thilanliyan]

I remember a dual core AMD CPU patch:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=81429

"Here is how to get your dual core AMD system running like it should with no hitches and stibility issues..............since the new AMD DUAL CORE OPTIMIZER came out people say you dont need the MS HOTFIX anymore"

I think that was an MS Windows problem when dual cores first started coming out (ie. it was required for both Intel and AMD dual core CPUs)? From your link it looks like AMD just made something similar to the MS hotfix for their own CPUs.

 

[formulav8]

The one thing thats wierd to me is that AMD was vocal about Phenom (at least I thought they were), and its improvements, and saying its going to be the best thing since x86's invention (Well they didn't really say that). In comparison, they are very tight lipped with BD. They trickle alittle info here and there. I don't know if that would be considered a good sign or bad sign?....

I still have a nagging feeling that BD is going to be delayed or have a subpar launch like Phenom did (much lower clockspeeds than expected). Hopefully though BD will please everyones expectations, although some peoples expectations might be unreasonable...

 

[LxMxFxD4]

This thread has turned into amd fanboys vs. intel fanboys.

I hope AMD has an amazing offering. However, based on history of releases, it wont be "better in every way" than Intel's. My list in post #3 only reflects history.

 

[Idontcare]

This thread has turned into amd fanboys vs. intel fanboys.

Welcome to what every thread is going to turn into in this forum for the coming 2-3 months in the run up to, and a month or so beyond the release date, bulldozer.

 

[Rezist]

I hope for IPC it can beat nehalem, but I don't think it will.

 

[Phynaz]

A major weak point is the slow L3 cache. There is a lot of it, but it's slow. I wouldn't be surprised if Bulldozer is only 20% faster per clock than the PII architecture.

Only?

20% IPC increases are not easy, and certainly nothing to sneeze at.

 

[Gloomy]

I keep thinking Pentium 2 when you guys say PII D:

 

[Idontcare]

I keep thinking Pentium 2 when you guys say PII D:

Same here. I wish folks would use PhII for Phenom II instead of PII.

 

[Cerb]

Have you really been here since 2007? Your posts sound like you're extremely new to computers. These problems you're talking about have never happened.

I was thinking back to 1999/2000 (Irongate). 2007? That's practically modern. Prior to then, I know I wasn't the only one that lamented the scarcity and cost of real AMD chipsets (you had to get workstation/server boards), especially once the on-die memory controller made performance a null issue.

Is anything known whether AMD truly beefed up its integer performance? IIRC that has been a major advantage Intel has had since Conroe.

Yes, but it's different enough from basically any other CPU, that we're just going to have to wait and see.

 

[tincart]

AMD will be a step or ten behind Intel in terms of performance. AMD is budget oriented though. If anything is good about the Bulldozer then, shouldn't there be a glint of hope or leak about their upcoming first lineup and their benches. There is none. So, here's to a disappointing launch for Bulldozer.

"As you can see, a complete lack of evidence is convincing evidence for concluding that..."

*sigh*

 

[JoJoman88]

I'm with formulav8, either BD will kill SB or will in some cases will come close to SB in ways but yet be the value chip to have. I'm thinking that most of the time it will(BD 8 core) beat a SB at most benchs. I just have that feeling about it all.

 

[SickBeast]

 

[podspi]

For 10+ years I've bought only AMD CPUs (mid-range, not a gamer), and never had any issues whatsoever, no high temperatures, blah.
Very satisfied. I also tend to use only ASUS, avoid ECS and el cheapos. Just trying to do my part to foster competition.

Without AMD's competitive pressue, what would an Intel CPU cost?
Want more monopolies?

My K6-2 was ridiculously hot, as was my T-bird :twisted:

Of course, then Intel released the Pentium 4 and the perception shifted to Intel running hot (with good reason, those things are insane).

Now both companies seem to have thermals under control (though advantage Intel atm), mostly due to aggressive down-clocking more than anything else. My Thuban gets very hot if I give it 6 threads to chew at for an extended period of time...


I doubt BD will "run hot". It has no reason to. It promises to have the most advanced power controls of any AMD cpu yet (TurboCORE 2.0 plus whatever CnQ advances), will be built on 32nm, and will be an enthusiast chip which means none of us is going to be silly and try to cool it with a box fan :hmm: