Bump stock ban

[WelshBloke]

I've said before and I'll say it again, bump stocks don't likely make anyone any more deadly. This is a feel good do nothing step, and I disagree with it for those reasons, but bump stocks are simply not something I'll draw a deep line in the sand over. They exist mostly to make a semi-auto more like an automatic, and automatic guns are not legal without special authorization.

But what I find most interesting is how you guys are getting what you want here from Trump but still find a way to spin this negatively about Trump. The TDS is strong here, very strong. Even when he does something you 100% agree with...

I own this gun, a bump stock isn't needed to pull a trigger fast. 90 rounds in 25 seconds.

Are bump stocks a way to get round existing legislation banning something?

Laws need to be enforced. Either automatic weapons are something that should be heavily restricted or they aren't. Thats a valid argument to have. Finding loopholes in existing legislation is not something to be encouraged in any situation.

Its ironic that a lot of people espousing gun rights always make the argument that existing laws should be enforced before more are made but if existing laws are enforced then they suddenly start making arguments that they shouldn't be, its almost like they are being obstructionist about the whole issue!

 

[SlowSpyder]

Now. Go find me video of someone squeezing off 1100 rounds in ten minutes. Then we can talk.

Let's see, 90 rounds in 25 seconds would mean 1100 rounds could be done in 10 minutes, even if he fired at half the pace of that video. I am not sure the barrel could take that, one would likely have multiple guns to do that, though.

 

[WelshBloke]

Let's see, 90 rounds in 25 seconds would mean 1100 rounds could be done in 10 minutes, even if he fired at half the pace of that video. I am not sure the barrel could take that, one would likely have multiple guns to do that, though.

I can do 5 pushups in 5 seconds therefore I can do 3600 in an hour!

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Let's see, 90 rounds in 25 seconds would mean 1100 rounds could be done in 10 minutes, even if he fired at half the pace of that video. I am not sure the barrel could take that, one would likely have multiple guns to do that, though.

It’s not just the mechanical issue that would be at play. Physically squeezing off the many rounds from that type of weapon for that long would be impossible. You can’t just say it being done for this small amount means it can be done for this large amount.

 

[SlowSpyder]

It’s not just the mechanical issue that would be at play. Physically squeezing off the many rounds from that type of weapon for that long would be impossible. You can’t just say it being done for this small amount means it can be done for this large amount.

With the methods n the video I posted you are not squeezing the trigger. It really isn't complicated to do.

 

[SlowSpyder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojjcTv3QAbI

What I was referring to, using a spindle, stick, dowel, etc. There is no technique to this, no heavy training. This can be mastered in minutes.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I am convinced Trump is a typical North Eastern guy regarding gun.
He’s pro:
Background checks
Reasonable limits on gun ownership
Reasonable restrictions on how many rounds they carry
Reasonable limits on armor piercing rounds
Some sort of program to log how has what guns
Seizure of guns from people whom should no longer have them

Problem is Trump is 100% about Trump. He’ll never do it because he needs those votes and he doesn’t want to appear weak.

I'm torn. I think Turmp doesn't give a shit as long as him and his wealthy buddies would have unfettered access to whatever they want (which they'll have because of money regardless of legality). In some ways, I think he'd actually prefer hard bans just so it'd be some extra special perk that him and his wealthy buddies get. But mostly I think he's typical old white Republican male. If its white people, especially guys, total free for all. Women should be somewhat limited unless they show they can handle it (because you know, dainty women, although I'm sure he'd be one of those assholes that want to hand a woman or kid that haven't shot .44 magnums and watch as it kicks and goes flipping out of their hands or something so he can laugh). And if they're black or Hispanic, then they shouldn't be allowed guns at all.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I'm torn. I think Turmp doesn't give a shit as long as him and his wealthy buddies would have unfettered access to whatever they want (which they'll have because of money regardless of legality). In some ways, I think he'd actually prefer hard bans just so it'd be some extra special perk that him and his wealthy buddies get. But mostly I think he's typical old white Republican male. If its white people, especially guys, total free for all. Women should be somewhat limited unless they show they can handle it (because you know, dainty women, although I'm sure he'd be one of those assholes that want to hand a woman or kid that haven't shot .44 magnums and watch as it kicks and goes flipping out of their hands or something so he can laugh). And if they're black or Hispanic, then they shouldn't be allowed guns at all.

You've just created a complete false narrative caricature of reality full of projection in which you use to judge and hate Republicans. Good job.

 

[WelshBloke]

You've just created a complete false narrative caricature of reality full of projection in which you use to judge and hate Republicans. Good job.

Are you upset someone has stolen your trick?

 

[momeNt]

Not a single pull of the trigger. The trigger is being actuated for each firing of the round.

Not sure how they justify this reasoning.

They need maybe move away from "automatic" and "semi-automatic" and set a rule for firing speeds. Similar to speeding perhaps.

 

[cytg111]

You simply do not need a bump stock to bump fire. It is easy to do with any semi-auto with adequate recoil. A spindle / stick or stiff finger, a semi auto gun like an AR15/SKS/AK47, and plenty of mags are all you need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RdAhTxyP64

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9fD_BX-afo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2YLgLj8KVY


This ban will accomplish nothing at all.

That explains so much... cause nothing in that post makes sense... either!
That is the three dumbest videos I've seen this week... month even. I cant even.

 

[SlowSpyder]

That explains so much... cause nothing in that post makes sense... either!
That is the three dumbest videos I've seen this week... month even. I cant even.

Do you notice how they didn't need a bump stock to make their semi auto firearm behave like an automatic? Do you even understand the difference?

 

[brycejones]

No one cares about second hand gun smoke. Therefore the internet is invalid.

 

[Paladin3]

I never really understood the attraction of bump stocks. It's just a toy for shooters wealthy enough to waste that kind of ammo. I prefer to shoot slow, aimed, accurate shots and actually hit my target.

Anyone crazy/evil/sick enough to open fire on a crowd of people thick enough to make automatic fire beneficial will either ignore the law, or if the ban makes it hard enough to find a bump stock, do the relatively simple internal mods to turn a semi-auto into a fully auto weapon.

I'm glad they are banned, but I'm afraid this will be about as effective at saving lives as the TSA making us take our shoes off while we are still letting unscreened cargo on flights.

 

[shortylickens]

Let's see them do it consistently for 10 minutes like the Vegas shooter...

I just had a training course hosted by Darryl Bolke at a gun range in Culpeper.
We spent two 12 hour days shooting in 1 hour groups damn near constantly. I suspect its possible to go gangbusters for 10 minutes if you practiced at it.

Does anybody know about thats guys routine before the murder spree? Did he have loads of professional training or did he practice a lot on his own? Did any of his friends or neighbors get interviewed in the last year?

 

[DrDoug]

This is the big problem with Hair Furor that conservatives have been ignoring regarding his 'positions' on any policy/subject that Obama had a hand in. Republicans had a blast cheering his overturning of everything they hated that Obama had accomplished while in office. In this case, Obama did nothing to ban bumpstocks, which is exactly what the right wanted. Now President Tribblehead is going to ban bumpstocks to once again shit on anything that Obama did. He doesn't give a flying fuck what Republican pols and his supporters think about it. Just like everything he has done in his life, it's for self gratification with no regard to others or the consequences.

It's a good thing that Obama had Osama fed to the fishes, otherwise Cheeto Benito would have him dug up, revived and freed, unleashing Terrorist Zombie Osama.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I’m fine with it. Symbolic to appease the anti crowd and doesn’t infringe on a persons ability to arm themselves (imo). It won’t be enforceable and I’m sure plenty will find ways around it (building one, 3D printers, just keeping their old ones). I do think the gov should be forced to purchase them from owners though. They bought them legally and if the gov decides that’s not legal anymore they need to reimburse the owner of it.

 

[pcgeek11]

It may happen and it appears the Presidents hatred of Obama helped.

Thanks Obama!



https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/28/politics/final-bump-stock-ban/index.html

This is just a people are saying thing and I don’t think expecting everyone to either turn them in or destroy them will ever pass but if true this will be epic.

Good it should happen. I never understood how they were legal to begin with... I see no useful purpose for a bump stock device.

 

[cytg111]

Do you notice how they didn't need a bump stock to make their semi auto firearm behave like an automatic? Do you even understand the difference?

Whats the first thing you want from your rifle? Reliability.. look at that shit again. Look at real bumpstock operation.. What TF are you going to shoot / kill with that shit(without stock)? You will be there all day, only hitting air, been shot 1000 times yourself. The bumpstock is already glitchy, - without it its just ridiculus.. You'd be an idiot not just using semi.

 

[pcgeek11]

I am convinced Trump is a typical North Eastern guy regarding gun.
He’s pro:
Background checks
Reasonable limits on gun ownership
Reasonable restrictions on how many rounds they carry
Reasonable limits on armor piercing rounds
Some sort of program to log how has what guns
Seizure of guns from people whom should no longer have them

Problem is Trump is 100% about Trump. He’ll never do it because he needs those votes and he doesn’t want to appear weak.

I'm a southerner and I also agree with these:

Background checks - Yes.
Reasonable limits on gun ownership -Yes.
Reasonable restrictions on how many rounds they carry -Yes.
Reasonable limits on armor piercing rounds -Yes, as in ZERO. Civilians have no need for these.
Some sort of program to log Who has what guns -Yes.
Seizure of guns from people whom should no longer have them -Yes.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Whats the first thing you want from your rifle? Reliability.. look at that shit again. Look at real bumpstock operation.. What TF are you going to shoot / kill with that shit(without stock)? You will be there all day, only hitting air, been shot 1000 times yourself. The bumpstock is already glitchy, - without it its just ridiculus.. You'd be an idiot not just using semi.

He was shooting into a sea of people and had multiple guns with many loaded mags. A bump stock in itself is not reliable compared to a real automatic. A reliable way to shoot automatically is by modding the gun, with guns like SKS, AK47's that is an easy to accomplish change. I don't think you understand what reliability is. With the videos I showed, no guns jammed or became unusable, only momentary pauses in the shooting at worst. It would take minimal practice to get good at this, I've done similar things, there really isn't skill to it.

Like I said, bump stocks aren't something I'd make a huge fight over as they mostly exist to make a gun more like an illegal version of itself. But this will make no tangible change in gun homicide / mass shooting statistics. This guy may have been more deadly if he took his time, we don't know. A sea of people with only so many ways out, shooting from a far away elevated position can wreak a lot of havoc on an unsuspecting crowd with or without a bump stock, in particular when armed like that guy was.

 

[cytg111]

He was shooting into a sea of people and had multiple guns with many loaded mags. A bump stock in itself is not reliable compared to a real automatic. A reliable way to shoot automatically is by modding the gun, with guns like SKS, AK47's that is an easy to accomplish change. I don't think you understand what reliability is. With the videos I showed, no guns jammed or became unusable, only momentary pauses in the shooting at worst. It would take minimal practice to get good at this, I've done similar things, there really isn't skill to it.

Like I said, bump stocks aren't something I'd make a huge fight over as they mostly exist to make a gun more like an illegal version of itself. But this will make no tangible change in gun homicide / mass shooting statistics. This guy may have been more deadly if he took his time, we don't know. A sea of people with only so many ways out, shooting from a far away elevated position can wreak a lot of havoc on an unsuspecting crowd with or without a bump stock, in particular when armed like that guy was.

Second word salad did not improve on first.

 

[Zorba]

But for those of you that support this, what do you think this will accomplish? What do you think of the video I posted showing someone squeezing off 90 rounds in <30 seconds with magazine changes, no special training or ability. Honestly, what has been accomplished with this ban, and if nothing, why strong support for this? Is this just an emotion-based "I win this one!" from the left? And you wonder why the NRA has become the entity it is today... a reaction to nonsensical leftist emotion based attacks on the 2A.

I think that should be banned too.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm a southerner and I also agree with these:

Background checks - Yes.
Reasonable limits on gun ownership -Yes.
Reasonable restrictions on how many rounds they carry -Yes.
Reasonable limits on armor piercing rounds -Yes, as in ZERO. Civilians have no need for these.
Some sort of program to log Who has what guns -Yes.
Seizure of guns from people whom should no longer have them -Yes.

Good man, glad to have you aboard. Guns are a problem we need nearly all to agree upon.

 

[cytg111]

I'm a southerner and I also agree with these:

Background checks - Yes.
Reasonable limits on gun ownership -Yes.
Reasonable restrictions on how many rounds they carry -Yes.
Reasonable limits on armor piercing rounds -Yes, as in ZERO. Civilians have no need for these.
Some sort of program to log Who has what guns -Yes.
Seizure of guns from people whom should no longer have them -Yes.

I cant handle this, pcgeek makes sense and is reasonable, whats next? Slow comes around and realizes his pres is a crook? World bricks needs realignment.