Bush threatens Iran over nukes.

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dai the Übermensch
German term for "Overman" or "Superman." Hence, in the philosophy of Nietzsche, an extraordinary individual who transcends the limits of traditional morality to live purely by the will to power.

So glad you stepped out of the closet, Dai.

"we can ask a nation to stop what they're doing if we feel it is a threat to us." (I THOUGHT YOU WEREN'T AFRAID. WHAT'S THIS STUFF ABOUT THREATS? if they politely refuse and tell us to go f*ck ourselves, then we have no other choice RIGHT, YOU KNOW ALL THE OPTIONS INSIDE YOUR FEARFUL BOX than to make them "reconsider." you ask about sovereign status. don't forget that in july of 2001, two months before 9/11, we reminded afghanistan that there would be consequences if al qaeda did anything to us. they politely told us to go f*ck ourselves. 9/11 happened. we further warned afghanistan to cease and desist helping bin laden. they refused. we went in and corrected their mistake. the point I'm making is that sovereignty can and should be respected. but, there are limits. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. HOW LUCKY FOR US. in this new world, we can no longer wait for a smoking gun (as in the burning twin towers) to go after threats. SAYS YOU. NOTHING AT ALL HAS CHANGED BUT FOR THE FACT WE GOT HIT ON OUR OWN SOIL.. HAPPENS EVERY DAY ALL OVER THE WORLD. IT'S A FIRST FOR PANSY ASSED AMERICANS THOUGH. HAVE YOU LOOK UP POST TRAMATIC STRESS SYNDROME? if we went ahead and attacked afghanistan (to find evidence of any impending attack or to get bin laden) in july of 2001, liberals and apologists the world over would've lambasted bush for being overtly aggressive and a warhawk. well, we respected their sovereignty and look at what happened. YEAH, WE GOT A FLEA BITE AND WENT INTO A STAMPEDE

You are the secular humanist, Dai, the man without a center, the man without a religious precept of absolute right and wrong to guide him, the man who can burn Jews when the time for that comes ripe. Your instrument is rationality, but your invisible motivation, the darkness into which you cannot see, is nothing at all but fear. If you could make the world in your image of correctness you would bring about every thing you fear. Your way leads to disaster. The phoenix rises as the Buddha, not as Adolph Hitler.

your quip about humanism would be true if the notion of god wasn't invented by man.

and your quip about fear would be true if it wasn't the product of supposed actions.

your're quip about the effects of 9/11 on americans would be true if its psychological impact wasn't as large as it turned out to be. and if the 9/11 attacks wasn't responsible for 90% of terror-related deaths in 2001.

your willful ineptness shows that you are as heartless and apathetic as you claim others to be.

 

[Alistar7]

why does this thread say Bush threatens Iran? What is he saying that the UN and the rest of the international community is not? Is there anyone other than Russia, who is going to sell Iran materials, who thinks they should acquire nuclear weapons?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dai the Übermensch
German term for "Overman" or "Superman." Hence, in the philosophy of Nietzsche, an extraordinary individual who transcends the limits of traditional morality to live purely by the will to power.

So glad you stepped out of the closet, Dai.

"we can ask a nation to stop what they're doing if we feel it is a threat to us." (I THOUGHT YOU WEREN'T AFRAID. WHAT'S THIS STUFF ABOUT THREATS? if they politely refuse and tell us to go f*ck ourselves, then we have no other choice RIGHT, YOU KNOW ALL THE OPTIONS INSIDE YOUR FEARFUL BOX than to make them "reconsider." you ask about sovereign status. don't forget that in july of 2001, two months before 9/11, we reminded afghanistan that there would be consequences if al qaeda did anything to us. they politely told us to go f*ck ourselves. 9/11 happened. we further warned afghanistan to cease and desist helping bin laden. they refused. we went in and corrected their mistake. the point I'm making is that sovereignty can and should be respected. but, there are limits. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. HOW LUCKY FOR US. in this new world, we can no longer wait for a smoking gun (as in the burning twin towers) to go after threats. SAYS YOU. NOTHING AT ALL HAS CHANGED BUT FOR THE FACT WE GOT HIT ON OUR OWN SOIL.. HAPPENS EVERY DAY ALL OVER THE WORLD. IT'S A FIRST FOR PANSY ASSED AMERICANS THOUGH. HAVE YOU LOOK UP POST TRAMATIC STRESS SYNDROME? if we went ahead and attacked afghanistan (to find evidence of any impending attack or to get bin laden) in july of 2001, liberals and apologists the world over would've lambasted bush for being overtly aggressive and a warhawk. well, we respected their sovereignty and look at what happened. YEAH, WE GOT A FLEA BITE AND WENT INTO A STAMPEDE

You are the secular humanist, Dai, the man without a center, the man without a religious precept of absolute right and wrong to guide him, the man who can burn Jews when the time for that comes ripe. Your instrument is rationality, but your invisible motivation, the darkness into which you cannot see, is nothing at all but fear. If you could make the world in your image of correctness you would bring about every thing you fear. Your way leads to disaster. The phoenix rises as the Buddha, not as Adolph Hitler.

your quip about humanism would be true if the notion of god wasn't invented by man.

and your quip about fear would be true if it wasn't the product of supposed actions.

your're quip about the effects of 9/11 on americans would be true if its psychological impact wasn't as large as it turned out to be. and if the 9/11 attacks wasn't responsible for 90% of terror-related deaths in 2001.

your willful ineptness shows that you are as heartless and apathetic as you claim others to be.

Your quip: My quip about humanism is ture regardless of whether man invented God. The problem is that mine was a statement and yours is the quip, a comment so brief as to be without content. Would you mind explaining how my statement was false or relates to origins, please.

and your quip: Same problem, words without content. What does 'fear is the product of supposed actions mean'? It doesn't compute to me.

your're: ? What part of my 'quip', so far you're nothing but quip by the way, about 9/11 do you refer, stampede by flea bite? Have you looked at the highway death rate lately. Are you panicked about driving a car. I said the psychological effect was all out of proportion to the scale of the event. I suggested you get yourself some post traumatic stress counseling. You need it. The percentage of people who passed out from eating a pretzel in the same year that were Presidents was pretty high too, but it doesn't really mean much. We don't get a lot of terrorist deaths here. That's why, with the help of the media, Americans suffered induced hysteria.

Your willful ineptness: I like to think my ineptness is a result of the genetic accident that I was born human. Had you any idea as to the design flaws inherent in that proposition your humanism would include the emotion of shame, humility, and self effacement.

So please step into the light and don't be afraid. Take the time to really make your case. I like the part where you called me heartless. Seriously I did. It implies that you think you know what having a heart really means. Only love can break your heart. Only love can....well we'll get to that part maybe later.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Ahh the youth of today. Hitler's wet dream.

That quote is almost worthy for sig material.

But I have to disagree with it. If anything the cynicism of today's youth is the problem.

You can say that again... I'm surrounded by three ardent republican grandkids who have little trust for the other side.
It's all their grandmother's fault... Ahh the youth of today. Blindly to the cliff with but a baaah in response.

 

[Moonbeam]

Cynicism is just gullibility gone sour so it would just as proper to ascribe the 'sucker factor' as the root of the problem. People who will believe anything and people who woke up from a poke in the ass and won't believe anything are opposite sides of the same coin. The real problem, I think, is the inability to introspect, to examine the origins of ones attitudes and to adjust them according to objective data from the world. Man has no real notion that he can consciously evolve.

 

[Zebo]

The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - George Bernard Shaw

As a side note I've noticed they started using the term "dream stealer" for cynics nowerdays. I told my sister who paid $4000 for a "real-estate" investment seminar she's #(&*^# crazy and go to the library and learn for free... She calls me a dream stealer

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Zebo
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - George Bernard Shaw

As a side note I've noticed they started using the term "dream stealer" for cynics nowerdays. I told my sister who paid $4000 for a "real-estate" investment seminar she's #(&*^# crazy and go to the library and learn for free... She calls me a dream stealer

Some need to be motivated to seek their dreams. Having paid $ for something secures the motivation... often.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Zebo
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - George Bernard Shaw

As a side note I've noticed they started using the term "dream stealer" for cynics nowerdays. I told my sister who paid $4000 for a "real-estate" investment seminar she's #(&*^# crazy and go to the library and learn for free... She calls me a dream stealer

Some need to be motivated to seek their dreams. Having paid $ for something secures the motivation... often.

What is really going on is a lot of people are schlepping along doing a half-ass job of managing the financial aspects of their lives and they want to get rich quick without effort which is what these gurus play into.

She and others does'nt understand why they should not be getting financial advice from a guy whose "modivation" is a lie. The emphasis on luxurious lifestyle with the informercials and planes and mulimillion dollar homes are all lies. With emphasis "nothing-down" deals (which are usually illegal in non-owner occupied properties), no -pit-falls and universally applicable techniques are designed to steal money from people like my sis. Only one getting rich is the guru or MLM higher up on the pyramid..

Oh and I get modivated by finances everytime I pay a bill, look at my account balance, pay the IRS, whatever. I don't need Carlton Sheets help at $4000 a pop.

 

[Moonbeam]

You only value what you pay for.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - George Bernard Shaw"

Shaw is wrong. He's just a disappointed optimist. The observation of reality does not provoke emotions like cynicism. It provokes awakening. Human beings are associative in their reactions. They link what the see with experiences of similar type. This happens unconsciously and is the reason man is asleep. The task of man is to make the unconscious conscious so that it (the unconscious) is not in control. Where there are polar reactions the truth is always some third way.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Zebo
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - George Bernard Shaw

As a side note I've noticed they started using the term "dream stealer" for cynics nowerdays. I told my sister who paid $4000 for a "real-estate" investment seminar she's #(&*^# crazy and go to the library and learn for free... She calls me a dream stealer

Some need to be motivated to seek their dreams. Having paid $ for something secures the motivation... often.

What is really going on is a lot of people are schlepping along doing a half-ass job of managing the financial aspects of their lives and they want to get rich quick without effort which is what these gurus play into.

She and others does'nt understand why they should not be getting financial advice from a guy whose "modivation" is a lie. The emphasis on luxurious lifestyle with the informercials and planes and mulimillion dollar homes are all lies. With emphasis "nothing-down" deals (which are usually illegal in non-owner occupied properties), no -pit-falls and universally applicable techniques are designed to steal money from people like my sis. Only one getting rich is the guru or MLM higher up on the pyramid..

Oh and I get modivated by finances everytime I pay a bill, look at my account balance, pay the IRS, whatever. I don't need Carlton Sheets help at $4000 a pop.

Oh.. I don't by any means advocate 'wasting' money. I agree the hucksters are there for your dollar. Discernment plays a major part in decision making... but, you value only what you pay for... in $ or in effort or both. If you fall prey to the huckster it probably is not a conscious decision that prompted it. The conscious mind seeks to be a bit skeptical it is the unconscious mind that plays the tricks.. me thinks.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You only value what you pay for.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - George Bernard Shaw"

Shaw is wrong. The observation of reality does not provoke emotions like cynicism. .

How is he wrong? you say the same.
He's saying it's a mistake to brand those elightnd as cynics. He's saying it's ignorant namecalling to do so.

 

[LunarRay]

MB,
Just saw your post...

Didn't mean to duplicate your thought...

 

[Zebo]

"You only value what you pay for."

Psychobabble..I value the sun rise every morning and I did'nt pay a thing for it niether in effort nor dollars.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Zebo
"You only value what you pay for."

Psychobabble..I value the sun rise every morning and I did'nt pay a thing for it niether in effort nor dollars.

Then for 19.99$ I'll sell you a lifetime of the sun's existence.

Do you value the sun rise or simply accept it.

Do you value the sunset? The earthquake, hurricane, and tornado? they neither cost effort nor $ to have.

 

[Moonbeam]

Perhaps Shaw does say the same, but I rather think not. I think he is equating what people call cynicism with what is really accurate observation. I'm saying they are not the same. Cynicism is a real phenomenon, disappointment in ones dreams. Could I be wrong?

Hehe, HJ, the truth is the truth. It pops up everywhere.

Psychobabble? Why I'm outraged!!!! But ask yourself is there a parallel between natural organic joy and valuing what you pay for? We are no longer in the garden. The sun is rising every second of every day. What would you have to pay to know that every moment of the day?

There are many kinds of valuing and happiness.

One time Mulla Nasrudin saw a dejected traveler lost in some self absorbed misery as made his way down the road. The Mulla sneaked up behind him, cut off his money purse, and bolted into the woods. He circled around back to the road and lay the purse on a narrow bridge. After a time the now even more dejected man made his way to that bridge. When he saw his bag of money, opened it and found his coin still there, he began to shout with joy.

 

[Zebo]

Yes I think you are wrong. Cynicism to me is a prediction of a negative outcome about an event based prior performance or a prediction based on known facts and following those facts to thier conclusion.

This can be a crimminal who stands a good chance of recidivism based on statistics, or something scientific like having a cynical belief there is oil on the moon.

As for the rest I have no idea what you're talking about. The best things in life I've found are free monitarly. Love, freetime, and just general enjoyment of life I can't put value on.

 

[LunarRay]

First so we are on the same page...

An attitude of scornful or jaded negativity, especially a general distrust of the integrity or professed motives of others: the public cynicism aroused by governmental scandals.


So if we start with this definition things seem a bit clearer in their perspective, no?

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, I'd say they help, HJ. Cynicism is an attitude and rational doubt in the field of science isn't cynicism, it's skepticism. The scientist isn't pissed off there's no oil on the moon. He doesn't suspect somebody tapped it all for joyriding around the galaxy. Cynicism involves feelings. Cynicism is a psychological reaction against feeling disappointment. It's an avoidance of grief over the loss of ideals. It's bitterness over the loss. Via a third way one sees the ideals and their loss in a completely different light. The ideals were a false substitute for what can never be lost, only buried, ones true self.

 

[LunarRay]

Yeah... that's how I see it too.