Bush threatens Iran over nukes.

[Hayabusa Rider]

Bush will not tolerate nukes in Iran


Evidently, the administration is saying the Iranians are violating the non proliferation treaty.

I could see Bush justifying attacking Iran because of a violation of the treaty, but here is the rub. Iran can legally withdraw after giving 90 days notice.

Justification for attacking Iraq was based on violation of 1441. If Iran wanted to build nuclear weapons after withdrawing, it is perfectly legal. So if they do give notice, would Bush use that 90 days to attack?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Bush will not tolerate nukes in Iran


Evidently, the administration is saying the Iranians are violating the non proliferation treaty.

I could see Bush justifying attacking Iran because of a violation of the treaty, but here is the rub. Iran can legally withdraw after giving 90 days notice.

Justification for attacking Iraq was based on violation of 1441. If Iran wanted to build nuclear weapons after withdrawing, it is perfectly legal. So if they do give notice, would Bush use that 90 days to attack?

I think more than US would object them to them leaving the treaty. Granted Iran is now in the 8th day of goverment protests, making nukes may not be a priority much longer.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

No. Iran is slowly but surely crumbling from within. Bush won't need to "attack".

CkG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Bush will not tolerate nukes in Iran


Evidently, the administration is saying the Iranians are violating the non proliferation treaty.

I could see Bush justifying attacking Iran because of a violation of the treaty, but here is the rub. Iran can legally withdraw after giving 90 days notice.

Justification for attacking Iraq was based on violation of 1441. If Iran wanted to build nuclear weapons after withdrawing, it is perfectly legal. So if they do give notice, would Bush use that 90 days to attack?

I think more than US would object them to them leaving the treaty. Granted Iran is now in the 8th day of goverment protests, making nukes may not be a priority much longer.

I think they would object, but legally there is no basis to compel. Remember we pulled out of the ABM treaty because we could. We had that right.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Bush will not tolerate nukes in Iran


Evidently, the administration is saying the Iranians are violating the non proliferation treaty.

I could see Bush justifying attacking Iran because of a violation of the treaty, but here is the rub. Iran can legally withdraw after giving 90 days notice.

Justification for attacking Iraq was based on violation of 1441. If Iran wanted to build nuclear weapons after withdrawing, it is perfectly legal. So if they do give notice, would Bush use that 90 days to attack?

I think more than US would object them to them leaving the treaty. Granted Iran is now in the 8th day of goverment protests, making nukes may not be a priority much longer.

I think they would object, but legally there is no basis to compel. Remember we pulled out of the ABM treaty because we could. We had that right.

Sorry to seem dumb here but, if there is an internal overthrow what will the likely result be vis a vis us and Iraq?
My sense from what I've read is that it would be a pro US result.
Non proliferation as I understand it requires the status of quantity remain constant and the tech not transferred. The development, I think, is possible to some extent... is this so?

edit: I mean from the actual treaty and not what it has been said to mean.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bush will not tolerate nukes in Iran
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Perhaps we could try to encase President Gort is KL 93.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush will not tolerate nukes in Iran
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Perhaps we could try to encase President Gort is KL 93.

Whoa, you mean that clear stuff stronger than steel?

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, Hay, that's the stuff. Seems our Robot President's on a mission to stop the world right in it's evil tracks and save us from ourselves. We will be the world police.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Yeah, Hay, that's the stuff. Seems our Robot President's on a mission to stop the world right in it's evil tracks and save us from ourselves. We will be the world police.

I like the summary execution philosophy.

I also like lucy in the sky with diamonds... the spare change of tomorrow..

 

[Syringer]

We need to liberate the Iranians.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nothing like hard currency.

I hear the Iranian Gov is asking we don't interfere in their internal affairs. The disadvantage I see for the Iranians, unlike NK, is that they have oil. WMD and oil don't mix even if the WMD aren't really there. It's a chemistry I don't understand.

 

[Dari]

I think the mayor of Hiroshima should invite all the ayatollahs to see what an angry America is capable of.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Nothing like hard currency.

I hear the Iranian Gov is asking we don't interfere in their internal affairs. The disadvantage I see for the Iranians, unlike NK, is that they have oil. WMD and oil don't mix even if the WMD aren't really there. It's a chemistry I don't understand.

If anything can unite 100 million Muslims it would be US invasion of Iran... I think.

 

[Alistar7]

Already some Iranians asking for the US to do just that, funny they won't ask anyone else, guess they want it done right....


This is not just Bush, the UN is pressuring Iran as well for more detailed inspections, sounds familiar doesn't it, first the UN, then Bush....

Always said we would not go into Iran, we would let their youth take care of things internally, don't see anything different yet...

 

[Moonbeam]

Ah yes the wise god Dari, the supreme arbiter of right and wrong, the man with the magic wand stuck up his ass. He knows reality for sure.

 

[Alistar7]

moon speaking of reality, anyone else see a little irony here?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Dari
I think the mayor of Hiroshima should invite all the ayatollahs to see what an angry America is capable of.

Maybe he should visit Nagasaki and see that war sucks.

 

[Moonbeam]

moon speaking of reality, anyone else see a little irony here?
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I used a small g.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
moon speaking of reality, anyone else see a little irony here?

Not good to keep both feet on ground because:

Confucius say...Man who keep feet firmly on ground have troubleputting on pants.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Ah yes the wise god Dari, the supreme arbiter of right and wrong, the man with the magic wand stuck up his ass. He knows reality for sure.

I'm not surprised that you're sarcasm has taken hold again. But, just so you know, the Mayor of Hiroshima has invited the fanatical leader of North Korea to do just what I prescribe. It'll be a friendly reminder of what american firepower is capable of. Kim Jong-Il(l), the owner of the largest library of Looney Tunes videos outside of AOL Time Warner, thinks he can play with fire without getting burned. Well, perhaps in 50 years time, the Mayor of Pyongyang will follow in Mayor Akiba's footstep.

link


Hiroshima invite for Kim Jong-il
The mayor of Hiroshima has invited North Korean leader Kim Jong-il to attend an annual ceremony to mark the anniversary of world's first atomic bomb attack.

Mayor Tadatoshi Akiba said he sent the personal invitation because he wanted to remind Mr Kim of the horror of nuclear warfare.

Over 200,000 people died when the Americans dropped the atomic bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima in the closing days of World War II.

In recent months, North Korea has admitted that it is developing nuclear weapons and has withdrawn from the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

Mayor Akiba regularly invites world leaders to his city for the anniversary ceremony on 6 August, in order that they appreciate the consequences of nuclear weapons.

"We would like to relay the reality of the damage wrought by atomic weapons, and the spirit of Hiroshima that longs for the abolition of nuclear weapons and eternal world peace," Mr Akiba wrote in the invitation.

Makoto Tsunemoto, a spokesman for Hiroshima city, admitted that Mr Kim "probably would not" attend the ceremony, according to the Associated Press news agency.

But he said he hoped that North Korea would be able to send a representative in his place.

Mayor Akiba is a peace activist well known for his outspoken opinions.

Last year he urged President Bush to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki before he considered attacking Iraq.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I could see this tortured logic used to justify an attack, if one occurs and Iran pulls out of the NPT


Iran withdraws

Bush attacks- Why?

Because the NPT prohibits developing nukes. The act of withdrawing means that they are intending to build a bomb. Building a bomb is illegal. Since 90 days would not have elapsed in this scenario, the justification would be based on the fact that they are still bound by the treaty. The legal act of leaving the NPT is sufficient proof justifying attack.

 

[Alistar7]

If Kim actually gave a crap about his people it might make a difference, but then again if he did this wouldn't be the problem it has become. He's sure his shelter will hold up fine, that's all he cares about....

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I could see this tortured logic used to justify an attack, if one occurs and Iran pulls out of the NPT


Iran withdraws

Bush attacks- Why?

Because the NPT prohibits developing nukes. The act of withdrawing means that they are intending to build a bomb. Building a bomb is illegal. Since 90 days would not have elapsed in this scenario, the justification would be based on the fact that they are still bound by the treaty. The legal act of leaving the NPT is sufficient proof justifying attack.

Damn the NPT. If iran withdraws, we go in and "correct" their mistake. In fact, we go in for the same reason we went into Iraq: We will not allow a nation to hold our economic and/or security interests at risk. That is unacceptable. The going in part may take time and come under different forms, but it'll be done (even with a liberal democratic president). NO ONE keeps the United States and her interests hostage.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I could see this tortured logic used to justify an attack, if one occurs and Iran pulls out of the NPT


Iran withdraws

Bush attacks- Why?

Because the NPT prohibits developing nukes. The act of withdrawing means that they are intending to build a bomb. Building a bomb is illegal. Since 90 days would not have elapsed in this scenario, the justification would be based on the fact that they are still bound by the treaty. The legal act of leaving the NPT is sufficient proof justifying attack.

Are you going to take Ari's place?

 

[Moonbeam]

Hiroshima invite for Kim Jong-il
The mayor of Hiroshima has invited North Korean leader Kim Jong-il to attend an annual ceremony to mark the anniversary of world's first atomic bomb attack.

Mayor Tadatoshi Akiba said he sent the personal invitation because he wanted to remind Mr Kim of the horror of nuclear warfare.

Over 200,000 people died when the Americans dropped the atomic bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima in the closing days of World War II.

In recent months, North Korea has admitted that it is developing nuclear weapons and has withdrawn from the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

Mayor Akiba regularly invites world leaders to his city for the anniversary ceremony on 6 August, in order that they appreciate the consequences of nuclear weapons.

"We would like to relay the reality of the damage wrought by atomic weapons, and the spirit of Hiroshima that longs for the abolition of nuclear weapons and eternal world peace," Mr Akiba wrote in the invitation.

Makoto Tsunemoto, a spokesman for Hiroshima city, admitted that Mr Kim "probably would not" attend the ceremony, according to the Associated Press news agency.

But he said he hoped that North Korea would be able to send a representative in his place.

Mayor Akiba is a peace activist well known for his outspoken opinions.

Last year he urged President Bush to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki before he considered attacking Iraq.
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Tell me, Dari, since I follow what you say, is what Akiba said what you say here: "I think the mayor of Hiroshima should invite all the ayatollahs to see what an angry America is capable of." Is he jacking himself off about how dangerous we can be? Is his intention to threateh KN with our might, or was that yours? You and Akiba are like night and day, no?