Bush where was he?

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: burnedout
From the Dallas Morning News; September 8, 1999, via TexShare:

A top Barnes aide, Nick Kralj of Austin, who simultaneously served as aide to the late Gen. Rose, already testified in the lawsuit that he passed on names of Guard applicants from Mr. Barnes to Gen. Rose. He said that he couldn't recall the applicants' names but that Mr. Bush was not among them.

Wow, great proof, LOL He can't recall the names, LMAO. Then how can he say Bush's name wasn't on them??? What a bunch of doubletalk. That's such conclusive proof that I see no sense in arguing with you!!

In otherwords, a "top Barnes aide" from that period contradicts his contemporary allegations.

Face it. Other than his own partisan drivel, Barnes can offer no conclusive proof that he helped Bush into the TxANG.

So Barnes aid, (who can't remember the names) is telling the truth (that he can't remember the names, LOL) and is relieable and constitutes proof. Barnes who has a story you don't wish to believe is a partisan hack? But his aid isn't?

How would his aid know who Barnes talked to about what and when? Was he listening on every phone call? Was he at his side all day long, every day? Get real.

The only thing this proves is that you see what you want to see.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

So Barnes aid, (who can't remember the names) is telling the truth (that he can't remember the names, LOL) and is relieable and constitutes proof. Barnes who has a story you don't wish to believe is a partisan hack? But his aid isn't?

Barnes has raised 1/2 million dollars thus far for the Kerry campaign. If he isn't a partisan hack, then WTF would you call him? An ice cream man?

How would his aid know who Barnes talked to about what and when? Was he listening on every phone call? Was he at his side all day long, every day? Get real.

His aide says that he passed names between Barnes and Gen. Rose but doesn't recall Bush's name on the list.

The only thing this proves is that you see what you want to see.

Same with you. Now prove that Barnes' helped Bush into the TxANG. You may begin at any time.

 

[conjur]

http://www.texansfortruth.org/

 

[maluckey]

Conjur,

You owe back taxes for 1999 in the State of Louisiana. You claim you don't??? Prove that you never had been in Louisiana during Tax Year 1999. Absurd?? I agree. I should have to prove that you were in Louisiana during the timeframe in question.

Your arguments are the same thing. You believe that absence of proof equals proof of actions.

As far as the "not observed" statements in his the Bush OER. I'm currently in a unit without a job.....I'm currently Snowbirding while I wait on the DA decision on my career-path. My Unit Administrator has no job for a 19D/D3. There are no Tanks, Bradleys, or even armored Humvees here. My NCOER will read "not observed", because nobody can observe me doing my job, without any Armor, Recon missions, training, or development for and Armored recon Specialist, in an Administrative unit. This unit was not my choice. My MOS change fell through, but not before they assigned me here. Now I'm here, they want to change my MOS. Thirty years from now, Conjur will have me part of a Global Conspiracy of the highest order. I sometimes don't go to drill, because they are in classroom training, or going on a mission. I don't have a position, and my sole job seems to be official courier, and taxi for the unit.

 

[Infohawk]

It's been four or five years there's been questions about Bush's AWOL status. Bush needs to be honest for once and admit he let his country down back then as he has done now.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

So Barnes aid, (who can't remember the names) is telling the truth (that he can't remember the names, LOL) and is relieable and constitutes proof. Barnes who has a story you don't wish to believe is a partisan hack? But his aid isn't?

Barnes has raised 1/2 million dollars thus far for the Kerry campaign. If he isn't a partisan hack, then WTF would you call him? An ice cream man?

How would his aid know who Barnes talked to about what and when? Was he listening on every phone call? Was he at his side all day long, every day? Get real.

His aide says that he passed names between Barnes and Gen. Rose but doesn't recall Bush's name on the list.

The only thing this proves is that you see what you want to see.

Same with you. Now prove that Barnes' helped Bush into the TxANG. You may begin at any time.

Raising money for Kerry doesn't mean he didn't do favors for Buysh. They are both from Texas.

He passed names? Get real, there is no way that he knows everything that Barnes did. No way, and you know it. Who knows everything there boss does?? Nobody in the world would make such a riduculous claim.

Same to you, you prove Barnes didn't reccomend GWB. You present as your proof that a Barnes aid didn't do it. I believe he didn't, he never claimed he did. Now prove Barnes didn't do it. You haven't convinced anyone so far.

:disgust:
Shame on me? Shame on you!! You have nothing except 2nd hand sources you present as proof. You bought it up, not me. You prove Barnes is lying. That's what you started, now prove it if you can.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Conjur,

You owe back taxes for 1999 in the State of Louisiana. You claim you don't??? Prove that you never had been in Louisiana during Tax Year 1999. Absurd?? I agree. I should have to prove that you were in Louisiana during the timeframe in question.

Your arguments are the same thing. You believe that absence of proof equals proof of actions.

As far as the "not observed" statements in his the Bush OER. I'm currently in a unit without a job.....I'm currently Snowbirding while I wait on the DA decision on my career-path. My Unit Administrator has no job for a 19D/D3. There are no Tanks, Bradleys, or even armored Humvees here. My NCOER will read "not observed", because nobody can observe me doing my job, without any Armor, Recon missions, training, or development for and Armored recon Specialist, in an Administrative unit. This unit was not my choice. My MOS change fell through, but not before they assigned me here. Now I'm here, they want to change my MOS. Thirty years from now, Conjur will have me part of a Global Conspiracy of the highest order. I sometimes don't go to drill, because they are in classroom training, or going on a mission. I don't have a position, and my sole job seems to be official courier, and taxi for the unit.

BUSH A NO-SHOW AT ALABAMA BASE, SAYS MEMPHIAN

After years of publicty and several rewards offered to anyone who can prove he was there, no one has come forward to verify he saw GWB or to try and collect the reward. In fact, GWB won't even name any of his fellow guard members at Danelly that could vouch for him??

I wonder why?

All of us should vote
What our hearts tell us
Orientate to the
Left

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: burnedout
From the above Dallas Morning News article dated September 8, 1999:

Stephen Adger, 50, now a Houston businessman, said his father never mentioned having helped Mr. Bush but said it is unlikely Mr. Bush would have needed that: His qualifications and connections were obvious.

"He may have done it or he may not have done it," Mr. Adger said. "But it didn't take Gen. Staudt [to get Mr. Bush into the Guard]. I mean here George W. shows up, a graduate of Yale, a great guy, son of a congressman, that's all he needed."

Would that Mr Adger happen to be one of Sidneys two son's who were also in the champange unit??

During the 1994 Texas gubernatorial race between Ann Richards and George W. Bush, I was a panelist on the only televised debate between the two candidates. The question I chose to ask Bush first was about the National Guard. I had lost friends in Vietnam, and many of them had tried to get into the Guard. We were all told that there was a waiting list of up to five years. The Guard was the best method for getting out of combat in Vietnam. You needed connections. George W. Bush had them.

"Mr. Bush," I said. "How did you get into the Guard so easily? One hundred thousand guys our age were on the waiting list, and you say you walked in and signed up to become a pilot. Did your congressman father exercise any influence on your behalf?"

"Not that I know of, Jim," the future president told me. "I certainly didn't ask for any. And I'm sure my father didn't either. They just had an opening for a pilot and I was there at the right time."

Maybe. But it's more likely he was there at the right time with the right name. Col. Buck Staudt, who ran the air wing in which Bush served, had filled his "champagne unit" with the politically connected and wealthy. The sons of U.S. Sens. Lloyd Bentsen and John Tower of Texas were in that unit, along with the son of Texas Gov. John Connally and the two sons of Sidney Adger, George H.W. Bush's closest friend in Houston. I should have let that speak for itself.

http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/004082.html


Some unbiased proof you have. LOL

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Conjur,

You owe back taxes for 1999 in the State of Louisiana. You claim you don't??? Prove that you never had been in Louisiana during Tax Year 1999. Absurd?? I agree. I should have to prove that you were in Louisiana during the timeframe in question.

Your arguments are the same thing. You believe that absence of proof equals proof of actions.

Uh, your analogy is backwards. I claim I worked in the State of Louisiana in 1999. I turn over some records which leaves some doubts. Have I proven my case?

 

[dmcowen674]

He did not report for duty and lost his wings (Grounded)

9-7-2004 Lawsuit Uncovers New Bush Guar... Proving Bush Was AWOL

WASHINGTON - Bush flew 336 hours in a fighter jet before letting his pilot status lapse and missing a key readiness drill in 1972, according to his flight records belatedly uncovered Tuesday under the Freedom of Information Act.

The records show his last flight was in April 1972, which is consistent with pay records indicating Bush had a large lapse of duty between April and October of that year.

A six-month historical record of his 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, also turned over to the AP on Tuesday, shows some of the training Bush missed with his colleagues during that time.

Significantly, it showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United State beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a time when Bush did not report for duty, according to his pay records.

National Guard commanders were required to perform an investigation whenever any pilot skipped a medical exam and forward the results up the Air Force chain of command. No such documents have surfaced.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Let me explain the Guard point system and how this ties into payroll records. I served in active duty and was never in the reserves but I know they have the sort of flexibility that the active duty folks never had. The key thing in the reserves is to get a "good year", which is defined as getting 50 retirement points in that anniversary year (based on your pay entry base date). Points are earned for active duty (1 point per day) or inactive duty (1 point per 4 hours with a maximum of 2 points per day). Inactive duty points are awarded for drills, whether paid drills or unpaid drills, for completing correspondence courses, or for other approved projects.
If you can belong to an active reserve unit and get paid for your drills, that's really great. I had a friend do bunch of that, but he also did a bunch of drilling for what the Marines called a Mobilization Training Unit (MTU), formerly called a VTU (Volunteer Training Unit) which drills for points but no pay. In either type of unit, there are scheduled drills. If you miss a scheduled drill, you can make up the drill. Ideally, if you are going to miss a drill, you let the unit know in advance, but most reserve units are really flexible, especially for the officers, and if something comes up at the last minute, you can usually slide by even if you don't let the unit know in advance. It all depends on the unit. Frequently you can perform drills in advance and therefore not have to show up for the scheduled drill.

Some drilling reservists have very flexible "scheduled" drills, i.e., they can drill almost whenever they feel like it as long as the project they are working on gets completed when it is supposed to.

I looked at Bush's drill history, which has been floating around on the Internet for a couple of years, and I fail to see what the fuss is about. he earned 4 points in October 72 and 8 points in November of 72, which carried him through December, since you should average 4 points per month or 48 per year. (That's 4 points per month times 12 months.)

[Digression here. You also earn 15 points per year just for belonging to the active reserves or individual ready reserves. Add the 15 to the 48 and you have 63 points for the year. Guess what? You can only credit 60 inactive duty points per year towards retirement. That means that the average reservist is wasting points that count towards retirement. Couple that with the fact that only 50 points are needed for a good year, and the clear implication is that reservists are expected to miss at least some of their drills. Which is actually the case--I forget what percent attendance individual reservists are supposed to meet, and I forget what percent of total unit attendance units are supposed to meet, but I can guarantee that it is not 100%. End digression.]

Bush then earned 6 points twice in January 73, which equals 12, which is equivalent to 3 months, which carried him through March, so lo and behold, he drilled again in April, earning 4 points. Then in May, he drilled 4 times, earning 3, 3, 4, and 3 points respectively, or 13 points total. That carried him through July 73. Bush got good years for both 1972 and 1973, and left the service with an honorable discharge. That means he did what he was supposed to.

So what I see is an entirely normal drilling record for a reservist who, like so many of them, is holding down two or three careers at a time (counting the military as one of them).

So what is all the fuss about? Darned if I know. Remember, this was a time when new Army officers who had made life-changing decisions to join the Army after college were being discharged right out after finishing up their basic schools and being commissioned as 2/LT's because the Army had too many officers. Vietnam was winding way down. At that time, there were NO, repeat NO, ground troops permanently stationed in Vietnam, but Marine air, Navy air, and the Air Force were actively supporting the Vietnamese ground campaigns. And the Army must have provided aviation support to the Vietnamese, but they weren't being coordinated by the 7th/9th Air Force. The point being that LT's were a dime a dozen, with more reservists AND active duty types wanting to fly that there were flying billets available for them. If LT Bush, who had already been flying as part of the national air defense mission for 3 years, wanted to step down, that was no big deal because there were hundreds who wanted to take his place.

Again, I found nothing, absolutely nothing, in Bush's records that looked out of the ordinary.

 

[Gaard]

Repeat after me...whoops

Lawsuit Uncovers New Bush Guard Records

MATT KELLEY

Associated Press


WASHINGTON - President Bush ranked in the middle of his Air National Guard flight class and flew 336 hours in a fighter jet before letting his pilot status lapse and missing a key readiness drill in 1972, according to his flight records belatedly uncovered Tuesday under the Freedom of Information Act.

The Pentagon and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials said they found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after The Associated Press filed a lawsuit and submitted new requests under the public records law.

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[CaptainGoodnight]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Repeat after me...whoops

Lawsuit Uncovers New Bush Guard Records

MATT KELLEY

Associated Press


WASHINGTON - President Bush ranked in the middle of his Air National Guard flight class and flew 336 hours in a fighter jet before letting his pilot status lapse and missing a key readiness drill in 1972, according to his flight records belatedly uncovered Tuesday under the Freedom of Information Act.

The Pentagon and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials said they found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after The Associated Press filed a lawsuit and submitted new requests under the public records law.

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Like I said before, he was on non-flight status. Really, it's simple, you don't get your flight physical, you lose flight status....if you're not on flight status anyway, it no friggin' deal.

 

[Gaard]

At this time, I'm more amused at the fact that, once again, more records have been "found" than anything in these records.

 

[maluckey]

Of course he missed his readiness drill. He was already in no-fly status for failure to pass a required flight physical. He could not participate in the drill.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Originally posted by: Gaard
At this time, I'm more amused at the fact that, once again, more records have been "found" than anything in these records.

Do you have any idea how much one person generates while in the service? A lot. (even more if they caused any accidents.) When I was filling out the last few months of my active duty service requirement I was a "desk jockey". I heard the Bush's records were around 200 manila envelopes and that is just the stuff released under the FOIA.
Missing records is nothing really to be concerned about. It happens all the time. I served in the USAF as Electronic Warfare Officer in B-52s. There was time where my records went missing for eight months. They fell behind a radiator and (thankfully) were recovered.

Do you have any idea what bureaucracy means?

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Raising money for Kerry doesn't mean he didn't do favors for Buysh. They are both from Texas.

Except for his own shallow rhetoric, Barnes has only his flip-flop allegations.

He passed names? Get real, there is no way that he knows everything that Barnes did. No way, and you know it. Who knows everything there boss does?? Nobody in the world would make such a riduculous claim.

Well, he made the claim and the media noted it.

Same to you, you prove Barnes didn't reccomend GWB. You present as your proof that a Barnes aid didn't do it. I believe he didn't, he never claimed he did. Now prove Barnes didn't do it. You haven't convinced anyone so far.

Wanna play silly little games. OK, fine.

- For some strange reason, on July 16, 1999; your boy Barnes denies to the media that he helped Bush into the National Guard.

AP via Amarillo Globe

Later, he changes his story. Wow! Talk about consistency! In his commercial, that stupidass son of a bitch can't even focus on the correct period in question! Now how in the hell do you expect me to believe him?

Moving right along, let's take a look at two individuals who say otherwise:

- Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, a retired brigadier general who was Bush's commanding officer in the Guard, repeatedly denied any influence was involved.

"Neither his daddy nor anybody else got him into the Guard," he told the Los Angeles Times.

AP via Amarillo Globe

From the Dallas Morning News, September 8, 1999:

"In an interview last week, Gen. Staudt denied that political influence played a role in Mr. Bush's Guard appointment, or any others. He said he had the power to name pilots without the approval of Gen. Rose, his supervisor."

In short, Brigadier General (then Colonel) Walter Staudt says no. PROVE HIM WRONG!

- MAJ Leroy Thompson, the PAC commander at Ellington AFB at that particular time says this:

From the Dallas Morning News, July 4, 1999; "He didn't have any strings pulled, because there weren't any strings to pull," said Leroy Thompson of Brownwood, who commanded the squadron that kept the waiting list for the guard at Ellington Air Force Base. "Our practices were under incredible scrutiny then. It was a very ticklish time."

Summary: Leroy Thompson says no. PROVE HIM WRONG!

Don't worry though. On both accounts, I won't hold my breath.

Shame on me? Shame on you!! You have nothing except 2nd hand sources you present as proof. You bought it up, not me. You prove Barnes is lying. That's what you started, now prove it if you can.

How the hell are you arriving at this "shame on me? shame on you!" crap?

So, you wanna compare sources? OK, I'll play that stupid little game too.

- Walter B. "Buck Staudt: TxANG Colonel in 1968, retired as a Brigadier General

- Leroy Thompson: Retired at the rank of Lt. Col, TxANG.

- Ben Barnes: Had a political career ended by the Sharpstown Stock Fraud scandal in 1972....raised 500,000 for Kerry..... made frequent donations to the Dems. (See other thread)

What baffles me is why liberals are more apt to believe disreputable, partisan individuals rather than honorable gentlemen.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/004082.html


Some unbiased proof you have. LOL

Unbiased proof?!?!?! ???? I quote sources from the AP and Dallas Morning News. On the other hand, YOU give us some horsecrap from a damned Blog!

 

[1EZduzit]

Except for his own shallow rhetoric, Barnes has only his flip-flop allegations.

You can't prove him wrong. If you "chose" not to believe him that's another thing, but don't trot out a former aide of his like that is proof. He couldn't prove if Barnes did or didn't pull strings.

Since Sidney Adger is dead, no one knows what he would have to say. I certainly don't believe his son would know. Did his dad report in to him on all his string pulling/politicing? If he was pulling strings, I'm sure he wouldn't have felt the need to tell his son.

BTW, is Sidney Adgers son you quoted who said thee was no favortism invloved one of the two Alger son's that got into the "champange unit"? That is what I'm refering to as unbiased proof. Get real, like you didn't know that.

Col. Buck Staudt, who ran the air wing in which Bush served, had filled his "champagne unit" with the politically connected and wealthy. The sons of U.S. Sens. Lloyd Bentsen and John Tower of Texas were in that unit, along with the son of Texas Gov. John Connally and the two sons of Sidney Adger, George H.W. Bush's closest friend in Houston. I should have let that speak for itself.

How is it all these priviledged kids all got pilot training and were in the same damn unit?? People were standing in line for those spots but these rich, kids all just happened to get into the same unit. They were all in the right place at the right time. Are we expected to believe that it was just coincidence?? I sure as hell don't.

Does your man Staudt have an explanation for that?? If so, I'm all ears. I'd like to pin him down and ask him that myself, wouldn't you?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Gaard
Repeat after me...whoops

Lawsuit Uncovers New Bush Guard Records

MATT KELLEY

Associated Press


WASHINGTON - President Bush ranked in the middle of his Air National Guard flight class and flew 336 hours in a fighter jet before letting his pilot status lapse and missing a key readiness drill in 1972, according to his flight records belatedly uncovered Tuesday under the Freedom of Information Act.

The Pentagon and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials said they found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after The Associated Press filed a lawsuit and submitted new requests under the public records law.

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Like I said before, he was on non-flight status. Really, it's simple, you don't get your flight physical, you lose flight status....if you're not on flight status anyway, it no friggin' deal.

I guess you don't count a million dollars worth of training as a friggin' deal. Hell, the goverment paid for it right. Screw the taxpayer. Who cares? Huh!

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Gaard
Repeat after me...whoops

Lawsuit Uncovers New Bush Guard Records

MATT KELLEY

Associated Press


WASHINGTON - President Bush ranked in the middle of his Air National Guard flight class and flew 336 hours in a fighter jet before letting his pilot status lapse and missing a key readiness drill in 1972, according to his flight records belatedly uncovered Tuesday under the Freedom of Information Act.

The Pentagon and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials said they found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after The Associated Press filed a lawsuit and submitted new requests under the public records law.

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Like I said before, he was on non-flight status. Really, it's simple, you don't get your flight physical, you lose flight status....if you're not on flight status anyway, it no friggin' deal.

I guess you don't count a million dollars worth of training as a friggin' deal. Hell, the goverment paid for it right. Screw the taxpayer. Who cares? Huh!

What Bush did was not unusual or wrong. Bush was moved to non-flying status because the unit's mission changed. Bush flew F-102s, they were getting rid of them in favor of the F-101s. Bush inquired about the program, but because he did not have the need 500 hours of flying time, he was denied. (he had about 336 hours, which is alot for a fighter pliot) What you got to realize was that the Vietnam War was winding down, and many people were leaving the AF and going into the Guard filling those availiable positions. There was no room for a part-timer like Bush. Thus he was moved to non-flying status.

Is there an echo in here? Or is it just me. We keep covering the same ground here.

Oh, yes payroll records do count. You don't show up, you don't get paid. Simple as that.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Note: I was moved to non-flight status (after my millions of dollars of training) at the end of my service. Mainly because they were changing the war plan, and didn't want to have to brief me, then have me get out, and tell me to forget what I heard.

 

[Todd33]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/p...4-09-07-texas-ad_x.htm

'Texans for Truth' ad challenges Bush on Guard service
By Mark Memmott, USA TODAY
A group called Texans for Truth will release a TV ad today in which a former lieutenant colonel in the Alabama Air National Guard says neither he nor his friends saw George W. Bush when the future president was supposed to be with their unit in 1972.

I wonder if Bush will like his own medicine?

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Except for his own shallow rhetoric, Barnes has only his flip-flop allegations.

You can't prove him wrong.

One more time. Other than Barnes' own already published, suspect words (changed stances since July 1999; says he helped Bush while LT. Gov), you can't prove his allegations are correct. Two sources - retired military who were in the unit at the time - contradict his partisan drivel.

How is it all these priviledged kids all got pilot training and were in the same damn unit?? People were standing in line for those spots but these rich, kids all just happened to get into the same unit. They were all in the right place at the right time. Are we expected to believe that it was just coincidence?? I sure as hell don't.

Does your man Staudt have an explanation for that?? If so, I'm all ears. I'd like to pin him down and ask him that myself, wouldn't you?

See my theory near the end of this thread

 

[1EZduzit]

Burnedout

Barnes said he never talked to Bush Sr. I believe that. I think Bush Sr asked Sidney Adger to pull the strings for him. Just because Bush Sr. never asked Barnes to help doesn't prove that Barnes didn't pull a few strings for GWB. Maybe even some for the other rich kids that got pilot slots in the ANG. Somebody was obviously doing it. See the quote of Collin Powell in my sig, he was angry about it also.

According to your article, GWB had the lowest score allowed for pilots. 25 out of a 100. I have a difficult time believing that with the number of people vying for the coveted pilot slots that he had a higher score then other canidates competeing for the same spot.

If GWB expects me to believe his version, then he needs to explain away his low score by making public other canidates scores that were turned down at that time. I also require an expanation of why all the prominent Texan's kids ended up as pilots in the ANG and in the same damn unit on top of it. I smell fish.

This sure doesn't seem fair to the 3415 Texans killed in the Vietnam war, not to mention the Texan's that actually went to Vietnam. I wonder how many of the dead people applied for spots in the Texas ANG?

Ben Barnes has an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes" program scheduled to be broadcast tonight at 8:00 E.T. I've read some stories that say there is going to be a lot more covered about this then just the Barnes interview. It should be interesting.


Let's see what they have to say.