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Originally posted by: maluckey
As of Sep 16th, not one "expert" has verified the questioned documents, and the originals have not been seen by anyone. Care to guess why?

I find it amusing that Bush's numbers continue to climb after the supposedly "damaging" documents are "found". America isn't tolerant of Rathers antics, nor CBS attitude in dealing with it. The fellow networks are busy discrediting CBS and it's "News". Jason Blair is looking for work, maybe CBS can hire him to co-host with Rather, as thy have much in common.

CBS antics gave a black eye to the DNC, and voters will likely remember that the actions of a few corrupted Radical Democrats, whether on their own, officially, or for whatever reason, crossed the line. This is added to the violence by other "bad seeds" , of the Democratic Party supporters at the RNC convention. The picture is not one I appreciate.

These two actions, while not interconnected in the least, show the hand of the Kerry supporters in a very bad light. Most Conservative Democrats do not approve of this in the least. They may not vote for Bush, but now, they may abstain from voting at all.

Then you think the sweet little old lady is a big liar? I guess that is easier for you to believe then the fact that GWB hired people to scrub his record for him to hide anything that might tarnish his "honorable service".

She was there!! She knows what happened first hand and confirms that the info in the documents is correct. Just keep ignoring the facts. It is soon going to become clear to America that GWB is lying about "serving honorably". I wouldn't be surprised to see a big swing in the polls before this is over.
 
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This just in:

A little elderly lady, so sweet and gentle, swears she saw Bush complet all his ANG requirements. She has no real proof of any form but her octogenerian memory, but she stands firmly by her statements because the memory is seared, seared I tell you, into her brain.

Now, you wouldn't go around doubting a sweet little old lady, would you? What kind of maroon would go around calling a sweet little old lady a liar.

:roll:
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
This just in:

A little elderly lady, so sweet and gentle, swears she saw Bush complet all his ANG requirements. She has no real proof of any form but her octogenerian memory, but she stands firmly by her statements because the memory is seared, seared I tell you, into her brain.

Now, you wouldn't go around doubting a sweet little old lady, would you? What kind of maroon would go around calling a sweet little old lady a liar.

:roll:

I'd believe her over your chickenshit drivel anyday. Let GWB "lower" his mighty self and address the issue personally. She should be able to remember the gist of it. You beleived her when she said the documents were forgeries, LOL Now she has alhziemers, LMAO. Another great defense.

I'm still waiting for you to answer my question troll!!

 
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Trolls such as yourself are not worthy of a reply. Now go back under your bridge and save the namecalling for when you're standing directly in front of me. I guarantee you wouldn't have the same cojones irl that your online persona pretends to have.
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Trolls such as yourself are not worthy of a reply. Now go back under your bridge and save the namecalling for when you're standing directly in front of me. I guarantee you wouldn't have the same cojones irl that your online persona pretends to have.


Now this is the third time you have said you weren't going to respond to me, LMAO! You still won't answer a simple question I've put to you. Now you threaten to beat me physically while you are in Florida and I live in South Dakota. My, my, aren't you the brave little NeoCon troll. LMAO

Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!



No one as yet has even attempted to answer my question regarding the "champange unit". How did GWB along with Bentson's son, Conalley son , Adger's two sons and several members of the Dallas Cowboys all end up in the same chamgane unit? Do you expect us to believe it was mere coincidence?? LOL

PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE is the key. AWOL is the question. GUILTY IS THE VERDICT.
 
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*yawn*

Aren't you the guy the claimed you didn't want me to repsond to you anymore, yet you follow my posts around like some creepy stalker?

And I made no physical threat. I merely made a statement of fact that you wouldn't have the balls to flap your lame trap to me irl. I guarantee it as well.

Now back to your bridge, troll.
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
*yawn*

Aren't you the guy the claimed you didn't want me to repsond to you anymore, yet you follow my posts around like some creepy stalker?

And I made no physical threat. I merely made a statement of fact that you wouldn't have the balls to flap your lame trap to me irl. I guarantee it as well.

Now back to your bridge, troll.

Here is athe quote from the post you refer to:
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
It is you who is trying to play word games. This is the second time you have threatened to "stop responding" to me. I really hope you do and quit wasting my time.
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No problem, troll.

Done with you.

Not surprisingly your responce is just more of your lies and song and dance, you lying troll.

I said I "hope" you quit responding to me, not "want". Big difference Mr. "Educated in English". LOL! I think you have a problem with reading comprehesion, you only see what you want to see and I said that after the second time you said you were going to quit responding to me. Now you accuse me of following you around, LMAO. I never once threatened to quit responding to you, how could I possibly be "following you around"?

You have it upside down and backwards again. hehe It seems you are the "creepy stalker, LMAO again.

Anytime you come to South Dakota, please feel free to PM me and let me know, perhaps we can meet someplace. I'll be glad to educate you on how we cowboys do things around here.

BTW, I still hope you quit responding to me. :laugh:
 
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Not surprisingly your responce is just more of your lies and song and dance, you lying troll.
Not surprisingly your response (it's spelled with an "s" not a "c") is more lame wiggling and faux bravado.

I said I "hope" you quit responding to me, not "want". Big difference Mr. "Educated in English". LOL! I think you have a problem with reading comprehesion, you only see what you want to see and I said that after the second time you said you were going to quit responding to me. Now you accuse me of following you around, LMAO. I never once threatened to quit responding to you, how could I possibly be "following you around"?
Hope and want are both an expression of desire or expectation. Break out your thesaurus, Mr. Uneducated in English.

You have it upside down and backwards again. hehe It seems you are the "creepy stalker, LMAO again.
Your unoriginality is rather tedious.

Anytime you come to South Dakota, please feel free to PM me and let me know, perhaps we can meet someplace.
I'll be sure to let your mother know so she can leave the crib rails down.

I'll be glad to educate you on how we cowboys do things around here.
You be sure to do that, cowBOY.
 

1EZduzit

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Talk is cheap, sunshine. That's why you can afford too lie so much.

The fact remains you substituted the word you pefered for the word I used to try and change the meaning of my statement. You are the one trying to play "word games" with the facts. I obviously didn't "yearn" for you to quit responding to me, but I wished you would, because your an total idiot in my estimation and it is a waste of my time talking to you.

I noticed you've wised up a bit and decided to quit threatening to respond to me, LOL. I guess you see now how that makes you the "creepy stalker" and a liar at the same time. Your learning

I repeat my invitation to you to vist this cowboy and show me your "bravado". Until then it is nothing but cheap talk, which as we all know is your speciality.


Gotta go now and do something "worthwhile". Good luck with your word games and better luck next time. :laugh:

 
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Talk is cheap, sunshine.

On that subject I would consider you an expert cowBOY. If anyone would know about cheap talk it certainly would be you.

Looking forward to the day we meet.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Talk is cheap, sunshine.

On that subject I would consider you an expert cowBOY. If anyone would know about cheap talk it certainly would be you.

Looking forward to the day we meet.
What are you guys going to do, whack at each other with your Depends? Give him a roundhouse with your Colostomy bag?
 
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Talk is cheap, sunshine.

On that subject I would consider you an expert cowBOY. If anyone would know about cheap talk it certainly would be you.

Looking forward to the day we meet.
What are you guys going to do, whack at each other with your Depends? Give him a roundhouse with your Colostomy bag?

LOL.

I'd be happy to paddle out with you into some 10'+ slammin' surf. Soon after we could check who the candidate for the Depends would be.
 

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Like so much chattle. And you guys [girl inclusive] think you have equittable opinions on party politics. You can't even slime each other with any semblance of efficacy.

 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Talk is cheap, sunshine.

On that subject I would consider you an expert cowBOY. If anyone would know about cheap talk it certainly would be you.

Looking forward to the day we meet.
What are you guys going to do, whack at each other with your Depends? Give him a roundhouse with your Colostomy bag?

I'm not THAT old. I could give surferBOY :laugh: a run for his money anyday. If he fights as poorly as he lies, it'd be a walk in the park.

BTW Sketcher, I'm not owned by anyone and PROUD of it. I'm even registered Independant, I just hate Bush for being such a liar and mucking things up so badly.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Talk is cheap, sunshine.

On that subject I would consider you an expert cowBOY. If anyone would know about cheap talk it certainly would be you.

Looking forward to the day we meet.
What are you guys going to do, whack at each other with your Depends? Give him a roundhouse with your Colostomy bag?

LOL.

I'd be happy to paddle out with you into some 10'+ slammin' surf. Soon after we could check who the candidate for the Depends would be.
Sorry, after I saw the Movie Jaws I don't even go out into the ocean to pee!
 

1EZduzit

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Meanwhile, a former Texas Air National Guard official who served at the same time as Bush says he thinks the bigger story about gaps in Bush's service is being overlooked in disputes over the validity of certain Guard documents.

"The public ought to be concerned about his preferential treatment getting in and whether he satisfied his commitment to the Air Guard. Those are the two fundamental questions," said Robert Strong, the administrative officer in charge of air operations at Guard state headquarters from early 1971 to March 1972.




The future president joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, when he graduated from Yale University. He spent more than a year on active duty learning how to fly and then mostly flew in the one-seat F-102A fighters until April 1972.

The pilot logs show a shift to flights in two-seat trainer jets in March 1972, shortly before Bush quit flying. Former Air National Guard officials say that could have been because F-102A jets were not available for Bush to fly or because of other reasons, such as concerns about his flight performance.



Pentagon ordered to find all o...litary service records
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Before you fall for Dems? spin, here are the facts

*shrug*

CsG

LMAO, nothing but a bunch of words with nothing to back it up. Talk about a spinmeister :laugh:

Yeah, nothing but FACTS instead of your partisan opinion that he was "awol". Ofcouse he wasn't but don't let the facts get in the way of your hate.

CsG

LMAO again

POT, KETTLE, BLACK
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yeah, nothing but FACTS instead of your partisan opinion that he was "awol". Ofcouse he wasn't but don't let the facts get in the way of your hate.

CsG
ROFL. Don't let all the facts get in the way of your apologist fluffing. We spent $1 million training this shirker, then he runs off once his cushy post became too inconvenient for his self-indulgent life of hedonistic irresponsibility. He's certainly a fine role model for today's youth: game the system and think only of yourself.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yeah, nothing but FACTS instead of your partisan opinion that he was "awol". Ofcouse he wasn't but don't let the facts get in the way of your hate.

CsG
ROFL. Don't let all the facts get in the way of your apologist fluffing. We spent $1 million training this shirker, then he runs off once his cushy post became too inconvenient for his self-indulgent life of hedonistic irresponsibility. He's certainly a fine role model for today's youth: game the system and think only of yourself.

Did you actually try reading the facts? Did you happen to notice that he had more than enough points to fulfill his requirements? Nah...you just continue to bleat the same old rehashed BS. He served his time and was given an honorable discharge. nuff said.

CsG
 

Bowfinger

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Speaking of facts:
From The Nation: Why Bush Left Texas
by RUSS BAKER
[posted online on September 14, 2004]


Growing evidence suggests that George W. Bush abruptly left his Texas Air National Guard unit in 1972 for substantive reasons pertaining to his inability to continue piloting a fighter jet.

A months-long investigation, which includes examination of hundreds of government-released documents, interviews with former Guard members and officials, military experts and Bush associates, points toward the conclusion that Bush's personal behavior was causing alarm among his superior officers and would ultimately lead to his fleeing the state to avoid a physical exam he might have had difficulty passing. His failure to complete a physical exam became the official reason for his subsequent suspension from flying status.


This central issue, whether Bush did or did not complete his duty -- and if not, why -- has in recent days been obscured by a raging sideshow: a debate over the accuracy of documents aired on CBS's 60 Minutes. Last week CBS News reported on newly unearthed memos purportedly prepared by Bush's now-deceased commanding officer. In those documents, the officer, Lieut. Col. Jerry Killian, appeared to be establishing for the record events occurring at the time Bush abruptly left his Texas Air National Guard unit in May 1972. Among these: that Bush had failed to meet unspecified Guard standards and refused a direct order to take a physical exam, and that pressure was being applied on Killian and his superiors to whitewash whatever troubling circumstances Bush was in.

Questions have been raised about the authenticity of those memos, but the criticism of them appears at this time speculative and inconclusive, while their substance is consistent with a growing body of documentation and analysis.

If it is demonstrated that profound behavioral problems marred Bush's wartime performance and even cut short his service, it could seriously challenge Bush's essential appeal as a military steward and guardian of societal values. It could also explain the incomplete, contradictory and shifting explanations provided by the Bush camp for the President's striking invisibility from the military during the final two years of his six-year military obligation. And it would explain the savagery and rapidity of the attack on the CBS documents.

In 1972 Bush's unit activities underwent a change that could point to a degradation of his ability to fly a fighter jet. Last week, in response to a lawsuit, the White House released to the Associated Press Bush's flight logs, which show that he abruptly shifted his emphasis in February and March 1972 from his assigned F-102A fighter jet to a two-seat T-33 training jet, from which he had graduated several years earlier, and was put back onto a flight simulator. The logs also show that on two occasions he required multiple attempts to land a one-seat fighter and a fighter simulator. This after Bush had already logged more than 200 hours in the one-seat F-102A.

Military experts say that his new, apparently downgraded and accompanied training mode, which included Bush's sometimes moving into the co-pilot's seat, can, in theory, be explained a variety of ways. He could, for example, have been training for a new position that might involve carrying student pilots. But the reality is that Bush himself has never mentioned this chapter in his life, nor has he provided a credible explanation. In addition, Bush's highly detailed Officer Effectiveness Reports make no mention of this rather dramatic change.

A White House spokesman explained to AP that the heavy training in this more elementary capacity came at a time when Bush was trying to generate more hours in anticipation of a six-month leave to work on a political campaign. But, in fact, this scenario is implausible. For one thing, Guard regulations did not permit him to log additional hours in that manner as a substitute for missing six months of duty later on. As significantly, there is no sign that Bush even considered going to work on that campaign until shortly before he departed -- nor that campaign officials had any inkling at all that Bush might join them in several months' time.

Bush told his commanding officers that he was going to Alabama for an opportunity with a political campaign. (His Texas Air National Guard supervisors -- presumably relying on what Bush told them -- would write in a report the following year, "A civilian occupation made it necessary for him to move to Montgomery, Alabama.") But the timing of Bush's decision to leave and his departure -- about the same time that he failed to take a mandatory annual physical exam -- indicate that the two may have been related.

Campaign staff members say they knew nothing of Bush's interest in participating until days before he arrived in Montgomery. Indeed, not one of numerous Bush friends from those days even recalls Bush talking about going to Alabama at any point before he took off.

Bush's behavior in Alabama suggests that he viewed Alabama not as an important career opportunity but as a kind of necessary evil.

Although his role in the campaign has been represented as substantial (in some newspaper accounts, he has been described as the assistant campaign manager), numerous campaign staffers say Bush's role was negligible, low level and that he routinely arrived at the campaign offices in the afternoon hours, bragging of drinking feats from the night before.

According to friends of his, he kept his Houston apartment during this period and, based on their recollections, may have been coming back into town repeatedly during the time he was supposedly working full-time on the Alabama campaign. Absences from the campaign have been explained as due to his responsibilities to travel to the further reaches of Alabama, but several staffers told me that organizing those counties was not Bush's de facto responsibility.

Even more significantly, in a July interview, Linda Allison, the widow of Jimmy Allison, the Alabama campaign manager and a close friend of Bush's father, revealed to me for the first time that Bush had come to Alabama not because the job had appeal or because his presence was required but because he needed to get out of Texas. "Well, you have to know Georgie," Allison said. "He really was a totally irresponsible person. Big George [George H.W. Bush] called Jimmy, and said, he's killing us in Houston, take him down there and let him work on that campaign.... The tenor of that was, Georgie is in and out of trouble seven days a week down here, and would you take him up there with you."

Allison said that the younger Bush's drinking problem was apparent. She also said that her husband, a circumspect man who did not gossip and held his cards closely, indicated to her that some use of drugs was involved. "I had the impression that he knew that Georgie was using pot, certainly, and perhaps cocaine," she said.

Now-prominent, established Texas figures in the military, arts, business and political worlds, some of them Republicans and Bush supporters, talk about Bush's alleged use of marijuana and cocaine based on what they say they have heard from trusted friends. One middle-aged woman whose general veracity could be confirmed told me that she met Bush in 1968 at Hemisfair 68, a fair in San Antonio, at which he tried to pick her up and offered her a white powder he was inhaling. She was then a teenager; Bush would have just graduated from Yale and have been starting the National Guard then. "He was getting really aggressive with me," she said. "I told him I'd call a policeman, and he laughed, and asked who would believe me." (Although cocaine was not a widespread phenomenon until the 1970s, US authorities were struggling more than a decade earlier to stanch the flow from Latin America; in 1967 border seizures amounted to twenty-six pounds.)

Bush himself has publicly admitted to being somewhat wild in his younger years, without offering any details. He has not explicitly denied charges of drug use; generally he has hedged. He has said that he could have passed the same security screening his father underwent upon his inauguration in 1989, which certifies no illegal drug use during the fifteen preceding years. In other words, George W. Bush seemed to be saying that if he had used drugs, that was before 1974 or during the period in which he left his Guard unit.

The family that rented Bush a house in Montgomery, Alabama, during that period told me that Bush did extensive, inexplicable damage to their property, including smashing a chandelier, and that they unsuccessfully billed him twice for the damage--which amounted to approximately $900, a considerable sum in 1972. Two unconnected close friends and acquaintances of a well-known Montgomery socialite, now deceased, told me that the socialite in question told them that he and Bush had been partying that evening at the Montgomery Country Club, combining drinking with use of illicit drugs, and that Bush, complaining about the brightness, had climbed on a table and smashed the chandelier when the duo stopped at his home briefly so Bush could change clothes before they headed out again.

It is notable that in 1972, the military was in the process of introducing widespread drug testing as part of the annual physical exams that pilots would undergo.

For years, military buffs and retired officers have speculated about the real reasons that Bush left his unit two years before his flying obligation was up. Bush and his staff have muddied the issue by not providing a clear, comprehensive and consistent explanation of his departure from the unit. And, peculiarly, the President has not made himself available to describe in detail what did take place at that time. Instead, the White House has adopted a policy of offering obscure explanations by officials who clearly do not know the specifics of what went on, and the periodic release of large numbers of confusing or inconclusive documents--particularly at the start of weekends and holiday periods, when attention is elsewhere.

In addition, the Bush camp has offered over the past few years a shifting panoply of explanations that subsequently failed to pass muster. One was that Bush had stopped flying his F-102A jet because it was being phased out (the plane continued to be used for at least another year). Another explanation was that he failed to take his physical exam in 1972 because his family doctor was unavailable. (Guard regulations require that physicals be conducted by doctors on the base, and would have been easily arranged either on a base in Texas or, after he left the state, in Alabama.)

One of the difficulties in getting to the truth about what really took place during this period is the frequently expressed fear of retribution from the Bush organization. Many sources refuse to speak on the record, or even to have their knowledge communicated publicly in any way. One source who did publicly evince doubts about Bush's activities in 1972 was Dean Roome, who flew formations often with Bush and was his roommate for a time. "You wonder if you know who George Bush is," Roome told USA Today in a little-appreciated interview back in 2002. "I think he digressed after awhile," he said. "In the first half, he was gung-ho. Where George failed was to fulfill his obligation as a pilot. It was an irrational time in his life." Yet in subsequent years, Roome has revised his comments to a firm insistence that nothing out of the ordinary took place at that time, and after one interview he e-mailed me material raising questions about John Kerry's military career. Roome, who operates a curio shop in a Texas hamlet, told me that Bush aides, including communications adviser Karen Hughes, and even the President himself stay in touch with him.

Several Bush associates from that period say that the Bush camp has argued strenuously about the importance of sources backing the President up on his military service, citing patriotism, personal loyalty and even the claim that he lacks friends in Washington and must count on those from early in his life.

In 1971 Bush took his annual physical exam in May. It's reasonable to conclude that he would also take his 1972 physical in the same month. Yet according to official Guard documents, Bush "cleared the base" on May 15 without doing so. Fellow Guard members uniformly agree that Bush should and could have easily taken the exam with unit doctors at Ellington Air Force Base before leaving town. (It is interesting to note that if the Killian memos released by CBS do hold up, one of them, dated May 4, 1972, orders Bush to report for his physical by May 14--one day before he took off.)

Bush has indicated that he departed from Ellington Air Force Base and his Guard unit because he had been offered an important employment opportunity with a political campaign in Alabama. The overwhelming evidence suggests, however, that the Alabama campaign was a convenient excuse for Bush to rapidly exit stage left from a Guard unit that found him and his behavior a growing problem. If that's not the case, now would be an excellent time for a President famed for his superlative memory to sit down and explain what really happened in that period.
So much good stuff, I don't even know where to begin. It's sure not the portrait the White House and its apologists try to paint.

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Did you actually try reading the facts?
Yep, did you? The difference is I'm looking at the whole story and considering all facts, not just cherry-picking snippets of information which, when taken out of context, seem to support Bush.

You should try it. It is most enlightening.

 
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