Bush where was he?

[Gaard]

I read that post in the other thread. I apologize alchy, I still don't understand it. You said I fell for Rip's ploy. You can neither tell me what his ploy is, or how I fell for it. You're just defending the poor sap.

BTW, isn't it kind of pathetic the way Rip is taking little shots here and there, just begging for somebody, anybody, to show him a little attention?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Gaard
I read that post in the other thread. I apologize alchy, I still don't understand it. You said I fell for Rip's ploy. You can neither tell me what his ploy is, or how I fell for it. You're just defending the poor sap.

BTW, isn't it kind of pathetic the way Rip is taking little shots here and there, just begging for somebody, anybody, to show him a little attention?

Whatever Gaard...

Going to be overusing that one for a while lol

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard
DD-214?

Discharge papers.

Bush received one?

I beleive it is a summary of service, would list awards earned and benefits available(for those that retire).
I would assume he has one.

It's been released, right?

Here is a better answer

A DD-214 is issued to military members upon separation from active service. DD-214s were issued to separated servicemembers beginning in the 1950's. The term "DD-214" is often used generically to mean "separation papers" or "discharge papers", no matter what form number was used to document active duty military service

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Gaard
I read that post in the other thread. I apologize alchy, I still don't understand it. You said I fell for Rip's ploy. You can neither tell me what his ploy is, or how I fell for it. You're just defending the poor sap.

BTW, isn't it kind of pathetic the way Rip is taking little shots here and there, just begging for somebody, anybody, to show him a little attention?

Whatever Gaard...

Going to be overusing that one for a while lol

What is it with you guys lately? You, Ozoned, Rip (birds of a feather and all that)...saying sh!t that you can't back up. Just a bunch of rats backed into a corner. Sorry about the fact that your guy is a pathetic excuse for a president, but it's really not my fault...and their would be no shame, no shame whatsoever, for you guys to say "Gee, maybe I was wrong about this guy. "

 

[Gaard]

.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Whatever Gaard...

Going to be overusing that one for a while lol

And a for you! Mmmm mmmm good!

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard
DD-214?

Discharge papers.

Bush received one?

I beleive it is a summary of service, would list awards earned and benefits available(for those that retire).
I would assume he has one.

It's been released, right?

Here is a better answer

A DD-214 is issued to military members upon separation from active service. DD-214s were issued to separated servicemembers beginning in the 1950's. The term "DD-214" is often used generically to mean "separation papers" or "discharge papers", no matter what form number was used to document active duty military service

So, um, has it been released?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Gaard
I read that post in the other thread. I apologize alchy, I still don't understand it. You said I fell for Rip's ploy. You can neither tell me what his ploy is, or how I fell for it. You're just defending the poor sap.

BTW, isn't it kind of pathetic the way Rip is taking little shots here and there, just begging for somebody, anybody, to show him a little attention?

Whatever Gaard...

Going to be overusing that one for a while lol

What is it with you guys lately? You, Ozoned, Rip (birds of a feather and all that)...saying sh!t that you can't back up. Just a bunch of rats backed into a corner. Sorry about the fact that your guy is a pathetic excuse for a president, but it's really not my fault...and their would be no shame, no shame whatsoever, for you guys to say "Gee, maybe I was wrong about this guy. "

Gee, Gaard - maybe you want to address the 4 points of my opinion? What is with your fascination with Rip? Perhaps you should start a "I'm fascinated with Rip. Poll: Is alchie defending Rip" thread? I've maybe posted 2 responses on Rip, and you're like the GOP on clinton...

It's really quite unnatural.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard
DD-214?

Discharge papers.

Bush received one?

I beleive it is a summary of service, would list awards earned and benefits available(for those that retire).
I would assume he has one.

It's been released, right?

Here is a better answer

A DD-214 is issued to military members upon separation from active service. DD-214s were issued to separated servicemembers beginning in the 1950's. The term "DD-214" is often used generically to mean "separation papers" or "discharge papers", no matter what form number was used to document active duty military service

So, um, has it been released?

discharge papers....

 

[arsbanned]

Like DD 214s can't be doctored.... Puuuleeease.

NEXT LIE!

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Gaard
I read that post in the other thread. I apologize alchy, I still don't understand it. You said I fell for Rip's ploy. You can neither tell me what his ploy is, or how I fell for it. You're just defending the poor sap.

BTW, isn't it kind of pathetic the way Rip is taking little shots here and there, just begging for somebody, anybody, to show him a little attention?

Whatever Gaard...

Going to be overusing that one for a while lol

What is it with you guys lately? You, Ozoned, Rip (birds of a feather and all that)...saying sh!t that you can't back up. Just a bunch of rats backed into a corner. Sorry about the fact that your guy is a pathetic excuse for a president, but it's really not my fault...and their would be no shame, no shame whatsoever, for you guys to say "Gee, maybe I was wrong about this guy. "

Gee, Gaard - maybe you want to address the 4 points of my opinion? What is with your fascination with Rip? Perhaps you should start a "I'm fascinated with Rip. Poll: Is alchie defending Rip" thread? I've maybe posted 2 responses on Rip, and you're like the GOP on clinton...

It's really quite unnatural.

At this point in time, I'm not interested in the 4 points of your opinion. I'm interested in what Rip's ploy is and how I fell for it. That's what you said, correct?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gaard
DD-214?

Discharge papers.

Bush received one?

I beleive it is a summary of service, would list awards earned and benefits available(for those that retire).
I would assume he has one.

It's been released, right?

Here is a better answer

A DD-214 is issued to military members upon separation from active service. DD-214s were issued to separated servicemembers beginning in the 1950's. The term "DD-214" is often used generically to mean "separation papers" or "discharge papers", no matter what form number was used to document active duty military service

So, um, has it been released?

discharge papers....

Thanks charrison.

 

[alchemize]

At this point in time, I'm not interested in the 4 points of your opinion. I'm interested in what Rip's ploy is and how I fell for it. That's what you said, correct?

Exactly my point. Thanks for making it Good night!

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: alchemize

At this point in time, I'm not interested in the 4 points of your opinion. I'm interested in what Rip's ploy is and how I fell for it. That's what you said, correct?

Exactly my point. Thanks for making it Good night!

Huh? You had a point? I mean, other than the fact that you got busted talking out of your ass.

Just wanted to point out to you alchy that I was perfectly willing to let this slide. The original thread got locked and I didn't persue it. You came in here and started it up again. Yet, once again, when asked what you meant, I get nothing from you.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: alchemize

At this point in time, I'm not interested in the 4 points of your opinion. I'm interested in what Rip's ploy is and how I fell for it. That's what you said, correct?

Exactly my point. Thanks for making it Good night!

Huh? You had a point? I mean, other than the fact that you got busted talking out of your ass.

Just wanted to point out to you alchy that I was perfectly willing to let this slide. The original thread got locked and I didn't persue it. You came in here and started it up again. Yet, once again, when asked what you meant, I get nothing from you.

If I may, I think alc is hinting that Rip's "ploy" is diverting attention from substantive issues, thus discouraging productive and informative discussions (stop laughing, it could happen). By making provocative posts, a/k/a trolling, Rip suckers people into flooding P&N with immaterial replies. At a minimum, this dilutes meaningful content, e.g., persuasive arguments that help Kerry or hurt Bush. Even more, if Rip can distract his more intelligent opponents, he reduces the number of effective posts you make because you're wasting your limited time refuting his nonsense.

In other words, Rip's ploy is to lower the signal to noise ratio, both by boosting the overall noise level and by draining your power to produce signal. Soon the signal is overwhelmed by the noise, and people stop trying to listen. By replying to his posts, you fall for his ploy. Make sense?

In short, do not feed the trolls.

 

[Perknose]

Gaard's link remains the gold standard on Georgie's excellent adventure.

That notorious left wing rag, USA Today, weighed in two days ago:

At a time when Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has come under fire from a group of retired naval officers who say he lied about his combat record in Vietnam, questions about President Bush's 1968-73 stint in the Texas Air National Guard remain unresolved:

? Why did Bush, described by some of his fellow officers as a talented and enthusiastic pilot, stop flying fighter jets in the spring of 1972 and fail to take an annual physical exam required of all pilots?

? What explains the apparent gap in the president's Guard service in 1972-73, a period when commanders in Texas and Alabama say they never saw him report for duty and records show no pay to Bush when he was supposed to be on duty in Alabama?

? Did Bush receive preferential treatment in getting into the Guard and securing a coveted pilot slot despite poor qualifying scores and arrests, but no convictions, for stealing a Christmas wreath and rowdiness at a football game during his college years?

The White House has released hundreds of pages of records, but the files released so far haven't answered those questions. Since the documents were released in February, at least a half-dozen news organizations, including USA TODAY, have filed new requests for Bush's military records under the Freedom of Information Act.

In an e-mail to USA TODAY last week, presidential spokesman Dan Bartlett said: "The president has authorized the release of his records and we are complying with all requests. Some are taking longer than others, but all will be addressed."

Past military service and qualifications to be commander in chief have become a central theme in the 2004 presidential campaign.

Questions about Bush's record predate the current campaign. The apparent gap in his Guard service first surfaced before the 2000 election, when The Boston Globe reported that Texas Guard commanders were unable to account for Bush's whereabouts from May 1972 to April 1973.

Bush has not said what he did in the Guard during that period. Aside from a statement by a former Alabama Air Guard officer who said he saw Bush report for duty there in the fall of 1972, the only evidence he was at Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Alabama was a record of a dental exam on Jan. 6, 1973, at the base.

Bush said in a TV interview in February that he would make all his military records available. That month, the White House released more than 400 pages of Bush military records, including some duplicates, and said the documents were a complete catalog of his personnel files.

But some documents still have not been made public. The White House did not release Bush's medical records from his Guard files but allowed a group of reporters who cover the White House to review them for 20 minutes. They found nothing unusual. Kerry released some of his military records earlier this year. He has also declined to release his complete medical records but showed them to reporters as Bush did.

Since February, the White House has banned all Guard and military commanders outside the Pentagon from commenting on Bush's records or service. Requests for information must go to the Pentagon's Freedom of Information Act office.

The Pentagon last week responded to a 4-month-old request from USA TODAY for additional records from Bush's files by sending another copy of documents that were released by the White House in February. The documents do not address the unexplained year in Bush's Guard service or his decision to stop flying.

The Associated Press filed a lawsuit this summer requesting copies of Bush's military records stored in a Texas archive on microfilm. It sought information that might explain why Bush did not take his flight physical and whether he showed up for duty in Alabama in the fall of 1972, AP spokesman John Stokes said.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: alchemize

At this point in time, I'm not interested in the 4 points of your opinion. I'm interested in what Rip's ploy is and how I fell for it. That's what you said, correct?

Exactly my point. Thanks for making it Good night!

Huh? You had a point? I mean, other than the fact that you got busted talking out of your ass.

Just wanted to point out to you alchy that I was perfectly willing to let this slide. The original thread got locked and I didn't persue it. You came in here and started it up again. Yet, once again, when asked what you meant, I get nothing from you.

If I may, I think alc is hinting that Rip's "ploy" is diverting attention from substantive issues, thus discouraging productive and informative discussions (stop laughing, it could happen). By making provocative posts, a/k/a trolling, Rip suckers people into flooding P&N with immaterial replies. At a minimum, this dilutes meaningful content, e.g., persuasive arguments that help Kerry or hurt Bush. Even more, if Rip can distract his more intelligent opponents, he reduces the number of effective posts you make because you're wasting your limited time refuting his nonsense.

In other words, Rip's ploy is to lower the signal to noise ratio, both by boosting the overall noise level and by draining your power to produce signal. Soon the signal is overwhelmed by the noise, and people stop trying to listen. By replying to his posts, you fall for his ploy. Make sense?

In short, do not feed the trolls.

Are we going to start enforcing the 'No Personal Attacks' rule here or what? Either Rip is a troll and should be banned, or he is not and people should not be allowed to single him out in threads like this. Its getting a little tiring seeing you guys ripping him in every single thread he posts in calling him a troll. I assume since the mods have not banned him, that he is not a troll. So, can we stop with the attacks on him?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Rip who? Oh well, nevermind, not important.

I'm for sure it's old news but I thought I'd share it with you my little bit of "enlightenment".... Rush Limbaugh got out of Vietnam service due to ANAL CYSTS! When I read that, I died laughing. :laugh:

Chickenhawks protecting other chickenhawks.

 

[Crimson]

And John Kerry got out by exaggerating at least 1 injury and getting out in 4 months when most of his fellow soldiers had to spend years... whats your point?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson
And John Kerry got out by exaggerating at least 1 injury and getting out in 4 months when most of his fellow soldiers had to spend years... whats your point?

And Kerry volunteered for combat duty and was injured during that tour. Bush jumped ahead of hundreds in line for a cushy National Guard, non-combat position and then screwed that up....what's your point?

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
And John Kerry got out by exaggerating at least 1 injury and getting out in 4 months when most of his fellow soldiers had to spend years... whats your point?

And Kerry volunteered for combat duty and was injured during that tour. Bush jumped ahead of hundreds in line for a cushy National Guard, non-combat position and then screwed that up....what's your point?

They don't sound a whole lot different.. thats my point.. thanks for helping me make it.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Crimson
And John Kerry got out by exaggerating at least 1 injury and getting out in 4 months when most of his fellow soldiers had to spend years... whats your point?

Prove it! You can't. Next!

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson
And John Kerry got out by exaggerating at least 1 injury and getting out in 4 months when most of his fellow soldiers had to spend years... whats your point?

Prove it! You can't. Next!

Nobody can prove Bush was AWOL either, yet you guys keep bringing it up. Kerry keeps making Vietnam an issue, not Bush, and not the Republicans.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson
And John Kerry got out by exaggerating at least 1 injury and getting out in 4 months when most of his fellow soldiers had to spend years... whats your point?

Prove it! You can't. Next!

Nobody can prove Bush was AWOL either, yet you guys keep bringing it up. Kerry keeps making Vietnam an issue, not Bush, and not the Republicans.

Can't make an issue to which you have no experience with. But I agree, let's get off this Vietnam stuff and discuss REAL issues.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson
And John Kerry got out by exaggerating at least 1 injury and getting out in 4 months when most of his fellow soldiers had to spend years... whats your point?

Prove it! You can't. Next!

Nobody can prove Bush was AWOL either, yet you guys keep bringing it up. Kerry keeps making Vietnam an issue, not Bush, and not the Republicans.

A but we do know that Lt. Bush had first hand experience with how difficult medical care can be to find. Why else would he not be able to find a flight surgeon to administer his required annual physical.

[sarcasm]Yup.. as we all know President Bush and the Republican party would have totally ignored Senator Kerry's service record if Senator Kerry had ignored it.[/sarcasm]