Bush where was he?

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson
And John Kerry got out by exaggerating at least 1 injury and getting out in 4 months when most of his fellow soldiers had to spend years... whats your point?

Prove it! You can't. Next!

Nobody can prove Bush was AWOL either, yet you guys keep bringing it up. Kerry keeps making Vietnam an issue, not Bush, and not the Republicans.

No, the Republicans keep making it a contested issue by bringing up a group of liars headed by a paid GOP shill.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson
And John Kerry got out by exaggerating at least 1 injury and getting out in 4 months when most of his fellow soldiers had to spend years... whats your point?

Prove it! You can't. Next!

Nobody can prove Bush was AWOL either, yet you guys keep bringing it up. Kerry keeps making Vietnam an issue, not Bush, and not the Republicans.

No, the Republicans keep making it a contested issue by bringing up a group of liars headed by a paid GOP shill.

It would be nice is Kerry would address their issues instead of attacking them and Bush.. if they are liars, show that they are liars.. Even if what you say was true about Bush and the Republicans coordinating with them (Which I don't believe it is), that still does not discredit what the Vets are saying. Stop attacking the messenger and start attacking the MESSAGE. Bush could come out and say Kerry snuck over to his house, and shot his dog. Throwing out the accusation simply because it was Bush saying it has nothing to do with the truth of the statement.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson
And John Kerry got out by exaggerating at least 1 injury and getting out in 4 months when most of his fellow soldiers had to spend years... whats your point?

Prove it! You can't. Next!

Nobody can prove Bush was AWOL either, yet you guys keep bringing it up. Kerry keeps making Vietnam an issue, not Bush, and not the Republicans.

No, the Republicans keep making it a contested issue by bringing up a group of liars headed by a paid GOP shill.

It would be nice is Kerry would address their issues instead of attacking them and Bush.. if they are liars, show that they are liars.. Even if what you say was true about Bush and the Republicans coordinating with them (Which I don't believe it is), that still does not discredit what the Vets are saying. Stop attacking the messenger and start attacking the MESSAGE. Bush could come out and say Kerry snuck over to his house, and shot his dog. Throwing out the accusation simply because it was Bush saying it has nothing to do with the truth of the statement.

Ok, first the Swift Boat guys come out and make the accusation.

Second, Kerry ignores them by in-large.

Third, Republicans bash Kerry for not having the balls to confront the SB guys and keeps focused on the issues.

Fourth, SB guys continue assault on Kerry's integrity.

Fifth, Kerry finally says enough's enough and fights back.

Sixth, Republicans accuse Kerry of being mean-spirited and using smear tactics and not wanting to talk about the issue.

It's all sooooo clear to me now. :roll: You guys have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

 

[conjur]

He doesn't have to prove they are liars.

These liars are offering NO PROOF to their claims. Just the neocon mantra:

Lie.
Repeat.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur
He doesn't have to prove they are liars.

These liars are offering NO PROOF to their claims. Just the neocon mantra:

Lie.
Repeat.

Kind of like how you guys keep repeating the AWOL lie?

 

[Todd33]

Offical records do not exist that show Bush was reporting for duty.

Official records exist for all of Kerry's medals, they were Navy issued.

Kerry has no need to defend his medals. Bush people might want to know if the Commander in Chief skipped out on his duty that was paid for by tax payers.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Offical records do not exist that show Bush was reporting for duty.

Official records exist for all of Kerry's medals, they were Navy issued.

Kerry has no need to defend his medals. Bush people might want to know if the Commander in Chief skipped out on his duty that was paid for by tax payers.

What if his lies and exaggerations on how those medals were received earned him an early exit from Vietnam? How much different is that than what you are acusing Bush of doing? In your senario, Bush was smart enough to avoid going to Vietnam all together, and Kerry got sent there, but found a way to get himself removed sooner than if he was not in his position as an officer?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
He doesn't have to prove they are liars.

These liars are offering NO PROOF to their claims. Just the neocon mantra:

Lie.
Repeat.

Kind of like how you guys keep repeating the AWOL lie?

There you go again. Lumping me into some label of yours.

Where have I called Bush as having gone AWOL?

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
He doesn't have to prove they are liars.

These liars are offering NO PROOF to their claims. Just the neocon mantra:

Lie.
Repeat.

Kind of like how you guys keep repeating the AWOL lie?

There you go again. Lumping me into some label of yours.

Where have I called Bush as having gone AWOL?

Ahem..

Right Here

Sometimes labels are correct.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
He doesn't have to prove they are liars.

These liars are offering NO PROOF to their claims. Just the neocon mantra:

Lie.
Repeat.

Kind of like how you guys keep repeating the AWOL lie?

There you go again. Lumping me into some label of yours.

Where have I called Bush as having gone AWOL?

Ahem..

Right Here

Sometimes labels are correct.

[conjur mode] PWNED!!! [/conjur mode]

Nice catch Crimson.

CkG

 

[Crimson]

He did it TWICE in that thread I believe!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
And John Kerry got out by exaggerating at least 1 injury and getting out in 4 months when most of his fellow soldiers had to spend years... whats your point?

And Kerry volunteered for combat duty and was injured during that tour. Bush jumped ahead of hundreds in line for a cushy National Guard, non-combat position and then screwed that up....what's your point?

They don't sound a whole lot different.. thats my point.. thanks for helping me make it.

Naw... They're not really any different, at all... except Kerry volunteered for TWO tours in Viet Nam and shed blood, while Bushwhacko volunteered to spend time helping an Alabama pol's election campaign while he was supposed to be flying.

All he flew was the coop. I think the closest he got to anything related to his Air Force obligations was distributing political flyers. :roll:

Nobody can prove Bush was AWOL either...

But nothing, including all of his official military records released, so far, show that he was present when he claims he was, not even his pay records. Meanwhile, all of Kerry's released records, and every piece of hard evidence, support Kerry's military record, his wounds, and his medals and ribbons.

It would be nice is Kerry would address their issues instead of attacking them and Bush.. if they are liars, show that they are liars..

Excuse you, but so far, all the Swift Boat Liars claims have been refuted by hard evidence that confirms eye witness testimony from those who were with him at the time, including earlier documented statements by some of the Swifties who are now his accusers. Lead Swift Liar, John O'Neill even told Richard Nixon he was in Cambodia at the same time as Kerry. From CNN NEWSNIGHT AARON BROWN, August 24, 2004

JOHNS: Behind the scenes, Kerry's aides were fighting the swift boat charges with unusual ferocity. They say they have evidence one of the top members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is an outright liar.

The co-author of the book "Unfit for Command," former swift boat commander John O'Neill said Kerry made up a story about being in Cambodia beyond the legal borders of the Vietnam War in 1968.

O'Neill said no one could cross the border by river and he claimed in an audio tape that his publicist played to CNN that he, himself, had never been to Cambodia either. But in 1971, O'Neill said precisely the opposite to then President Richard Nixon.

O'NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border on the water.

NIXON: In a swift boat?

O'NEILL: Yes, sir.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

 

[1EZduzit]

And now O'neil is saying he was 100 yards away from Cambodia when he perviously said he was 30 miles away. He is on Nixon's secret tapes saying he was in Cambodia in his own voice!! What do you need, a voiceprint??? Once a liar, always a liar.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
He doesn't have to prove they are liars.

These liars are offering NO PROOF to their claims. Just the neocon mantra:

Lie.
Repeat.

Kind of like how you guys keep repeating the AWOL lie?

There you go again. Lumping me into some label of yours.

Where have I called Bush as having gone AWOL?

Ahem..

Right Here

Sometimes labels are correct.

Ahem - Conjur I think you need to make a statement.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
He doesn't have to prove they are liars.

These liars are offering NO PROOF to their claims. Just the neocon mantra:

Lie.
Repeat.

Kind of like how you guys keep repeating the AWOL lie?

There you go again. Lumping me into some label of yours.

Where have I called Bush as having gone AWOL?

Ahem..

Right Here

Sometimes labels are correct.

Yeah....like I was being serious there. Give me a break.

You know that post of mine was a jab back at the Kerry critics.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

I don't care what either of them did in Vietnam or not in Vietnam 30+ years ago. I'm worried about the recent past and their plans for the future.


From later in that thread:

IMO, both campaigns and the 527 groups need to drop the whole Vietnam-era crap. But, as long as it's going to be in the news, at least let's let the truth come out. Why won't Bush release his records? Why is he covering up his abuse of drugs in the past?

 

[1EZduzit]

I don't know where Bush was, I just know where he wasn't and he wasn't flying planes, now was he!

He was being paid to fly planes and we have the paystub's to prove it. If he wasn't AWOL he sure as hell wasn't doing what all the rest of the Air Guard was doing. Is that maybe a double standard because his Daddy was rich and powerful?

What do the paystubs prove anyway? All it shows to me is that people were too scared to turn him in for fear of their jepordizing their own carears.

 

[maluckey]

Kerry and Bush were together plotting world domination, and forming a secret Skull and Bones Pact. If they ran against each other, then it's guaranteed that a Skull and Bones member would sit in the White House. After all, Kerry claims to have been in action in Cambodia, but according to EVERYONE, without a single dissenter, Kerry was never in Cambodia. I think that he and Bush met with the Fiendish Dr. Fu Manchu, to assist them in their nefarious plot......that's also why G.W. Bushes story has holes in it. They were ploting all this out

Get over it. They are both Liars. Just pick the one who lies with better coverups and has the better cover story. After all, that's the one who put the most work into the lie. We should reward the hard work. The difference between Kerry and Bush is now down to Kerry supporting Abortions, and not getting military support from those who do the fighting. They both were for the war in Iraq, they both are for tax cuts, and they both are out of touch with the common man. Go figure. The more they talk, the more they sound like the same guy.

 

[Crimson]

Come on now Conjur.. I think an 'I'm sorry Crimson, I will never vote democratic again' is in order.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Kerry and Bush were together plotting world domination, and forming a secret Skull and Bones Pact. If they ran against each other, then it's guaranteed that a Skull and Bones member would sit in the White House. After all, Kerry claims to have been in action in Cambodia, but according to EVERYONE, without a single dissenter, Kerry was never in Cambodia. I think that he and Bush met with the Fiendish Dr. Fu Manchu, to assist them in their nefarious plot......that's also why G.W. Bushes story has holes in it. They were ploting all this out

Get over it. They are both Liars. Just pick the one who lies with better coverups and has the better cover story. After all, that's the one who put the most work into the lie. We should reward the hard work. The difference between Kerry and Bush is now down to Kerry supporting Abortions, and not getting military support from those who do the fighting. They both were for the war in Iraq, they both are for tax cuts, and they both are out of touch with the common man. Go figure. The more they talk, the more they sound like the same guy.

Convince yourself of anything you want, anyway you want. The only thing Kerry and Bush have in common is that they both want to be President.

 

[Red Dawn]

My issues with the Dub have nothing to do with whether he was awol or not. This along with the BS from the Swift Boats liars only distracts from the real issues.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Come on now Conjur.. I think an 'I'm sorry Crimson, I will never vote democratic again' is in order.

See me in 2008. Kerry won't get re-elected then.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Come on now Conjur.. I think an 'I'm sorry Crimson, I will never vote democratic again' is in order.

What should he be sorry for? He has more right to Bush was AWOL that then the swifties have to advetise their propaganda. They've been proven liars. I see no proof whatsoever that Bush was doing his duty? He was even gounded from flying because he wouldn't take his drug test. No proof at all, unless you can provide it?? Paystubs don't prove anything.

Why doesn't Bushie just set a dates for the debates for sometime after the convention? Why?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

If Kerry wins, he'd have to really screw up for me to not reelect him in 2008.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Yeah, let's talk about Bush's service to this country. From what I have read he spent most of his time helping family cronies get elected.
What I don't get: He seems so gung ho about sending the military in to blow things up, but managed to avoid actually participating when he had the chance. It's a mockery of all the guys getting killed now.

George HW Bush was an ambassador, member of the congress [House of Reps], and director of the CIA while Dubya was in the Air National Guard. If Dubya was in any branch of the active duty military and was captured by the enemies, dont you think he would have made pretty good leverage for negotiations of any sort, knowing who his father is?

Be aware of the times and the situations instead of just blindly reaching for mud to sling.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Nobody's dogging Bush for being in the Air National Guard. It's his mysterious "disappearance" that is the subject of debate.