Bush where was he?

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Nobody's dogging Bush for being in the Air National Guard. It's his mysterious "disappearance" that is the subject of debate.

did you not read the quoted section in my 1st post, or read any of the other 'Dubya National Guard Threads' or listen to prominant libbies berate Bush on his choice of service while praising Kerry for seeing combat action!

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Nobody's dogging Bush for being in the Air National Guard. It's his mysterious "disappearance" that is the subject of debate.

Not much of a mystery. He was working on senate campaign at the time.

Service time was completed, and an honorable discharged issued.

 

[Todd33]

The Guard was the rich mans way of avoiding combat, the rest had to run off to Canada. He was pro-war, but had no intention of fighting it. He was a hawk then and is still a hawk now. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Genesys.

The Neocon's only method of debate is to appeal to the emotions of mis-educated and illogical persons. Neocons seek to insult and discredit anyone who dares to disagree with them, especially in the trailor park. Why? Because the facts of logic and history do not support the agenda they are seeking to advance.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Nobody's dogging Bush for being in the Air National Guard. It's his mysterious "disappearance" that is the subject of debate.

Not much of a mystery. He was working on senate campaign at the time.

Service time was completed, and an honorable discharged issued.

And the proof of that is where??

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Nobody's dogging Bush for being in the Air National Guard. It's his mysterious "disappearance" that is the subject of debate.

Not much of a mystery. He was working on senate campaign at the time.

Service time was completed, and an honorable discharged issued.

I'm glad none of the soldiers fighting in Vietnam ever decided to work on a Senate race...

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Nobody's dogging Bush for being in the Air National Guard. It's his mysterious "disappearance" that is the subject of debate.

Not much of a mystery. He was working on senate campaign at the time.

Service time was completed, and an honorable discharged issued.

And the proof of that is where??

His records that were released.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Nobody's dogging Bush for being in the Air National Guard. It's his mysterious "disappearance" that is the subject of debate.

Not much of a mystery. He was working on senate campaign at the time.

Service time was completed, and an honorable discharged issued.

I'm glad none of the soldiers fighting in Vietnam ever decided to work on a Senate race...

I am sure kerry was quite disappointed when his naval reserve unit got shipped to vietnam as well....

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Nobody's dogging Bush for being in the Air National Guard. It's his mysterious "disappearance" that is the subject of debate.

Not much of a mystery. He was working on senate campaign at the time.

Service time was completed, and an honorable discharged issued.

And the proof of that is where??

His records that were released.

Hmmm...seems the gap or disappearance is after Bush worked on the Senate campaign. From your own link:

The records also show that Bush was credited with very little service during the period when he was in Alabama working on the unsuccessful 1972 Senate campaign of Republican Winton Blunt. Bush was paid and also got retirement credit for 30 days in the first four months of 1972, through April 16. But then begins a six-month gap.

During those six months Bush got permission from his National Guard superiors to attend non-flying drills in Montgomery. Also during that time he was officially grounded after he failed to take an annual physical examination required to maintain flying status. But the records show Bush received no pay or credits between April 16 and late October.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Nobody's dogging Bush for being in the Air National Guard. It's his mysterious "disappearance" that is the subject of debate.

Not much of a mystery. He was working on senate campaign at the time.

Service time was completed, and an honorable discharged issued.

And the proof of that is where??

His records that were released.

Hmmm...seems the gap or disappearance is after Bush worked on the Senate campaign. From your own link:

The records also show that Bush was credited with very little service during the period when he was in Alabama working on the unsuccessful 1972 Senate campaign of Republican Winton Blunt. Bush was paid and also got retirement credit for 30 days in the first four months of 1972, through April 16. But then begins a six-month gap.

During those six months Bush got permission from his National Guard superiors to attend non-flying drills in Montgomery. Also during that time he was officially grounded after he failed to take an annual physical examination required to maintain flying status. But the records show Bush received no pay or credits between April 16 and late October.

However the required amount of training was put in that year.

 

[conjur]

Still doesn't explain the gap in service before he was discharged.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: conjur
Still doesn't explain the gap in service before he was discharged.

Hard to be a service gap when required training was complete. This is not like the regular military where they control your life 24/7/365.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

well how do you explain his missed physical exam then? is it no coincidence that he misses the exam and then disappears? hmm.... maybe all that coke snorting may have caught up with him.

anyways, i don't give a flying fsck what bush or kerry was doing 30+ years ago. it's what they are doing now, and what they have been doing recently that affects me.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
well how do you explain his missed physical exam then? is it no coincidence that he misses the exam and then disappears? hmm.... maybe all that coke snorting may have caught up with him.

anyways, i don't give a flying fsck what bush or kerry was doing 30+ years ago. it's what they are doing now, and what they have been doing recently that affects me.

how about their entire political history? i'd say thats pretty important when choosing which idiot politician is going to have the greatest ammount of influence over my life for the next four years. and based on kerrys political history, he aint the man i'll be choosing.

 

[Zebo]

I don't even think conservatives can question whether he deserted or not after reading all the available material. Much linked is this thread.

They simply don't care. I think many conservatives believe in the ancient world-view of social hierarchy. So what a few stings were pulled? So what he deserted while some other, literally poor SOB, was forced to take his place? He comes from one of America's most influential and old money families and it's self-evident natural order he should'nt have to serve. Am I wrong?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Please, conservativism is falling apart as you know it. The party that is in control now shares only the name in resemblance to what conservativism used to be. You are one who will do anything just to see his/her party win, despite what they may not stand for. Even if Bush wins, mark my word, there is going to be a huge split in the Republican party.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Yeah, let's talk about Bush's service to this country. From what I have read he spent most of his time helping family cronies get elected.
What I don't get: He seems so gung ho about sending the military in to blow things up, but managed to avoid actually participating when he had the chance. It's a mockery of all the guys getting killed now.

George HW Bush was an ambassador, member of the congress [House of Reps], and director of the CIA while Dubya was in the Air National Guard. If Dubya was in any branch of the active duty military and was captured by the enemies, dont you think he would have made pretty good leverage for negotiations of any sort, knowing who his father is?

Be aware of the times and the situations instead of just blindly reaching for mud to sling.

Well, I'm sure they would have kept him off the front lines and out of harms way if he went to Vietnam. I mean there were other people there that the VC would have much rather got their hands on?? Don't you think?? Somebody who actually knew something?? LOL!!

Even assuming what you say applies, why was it Dubyah wouldn't take his drug test and got grounded? He surely could have at least kept his "nose" clean long enough to fullfill his duty and fly his plane?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I don't even think conservatives can question whether he deserted or not after reading all the available material. Much linked is this thread.

They simply don't care. I think many conservatives believe in the ancient world-view of social hierarchy. So what a few stings were pulled? So what he deserted while some other, literally poor SOB, was forced to take his place? He comes from one of America's most influential and old money families and it's self-evident natural order he should'nt have to serve. Am I wrong?

It sure seems to be that way to me.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Please, conservativism is falling apart as you know it. The party that is in control now shares only the name in resemblance to what conservativism used to be. You are one who will do anything just to see his/her party win, despite what they may not stand for. Even if Bush wins, mark my word, there is going to be a huge split in the Republican party.

Conservatism isnt falling apart, there are 'conservatives' who are trying to change the face and ideology of conservatism. To make matters worse, the people that believe in a conservative ideology are being apethetic and letting it happen! The most conservative you can possibly get at the moment is probably the Constitutional Party, of which, I support.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Please, conservativism is falling apart as you know it. The party that is in control now shares only the name in resemblance to what conservativism used to be. You are one who will do anything just to see his/her party win, despite what they may not stand for. Even if Bush wins, mark my word, there is going to be a huge split in the Republican party.

Conservatism isnt falling apart, there are 'conservatives' who are trying to change the face and ideology of conservatism. To make matters worse, the people that believe in a conservative ideology are being apethetic and letting it happen! The most conservative you can possibly get at the moment is probably the Constitutional Party, of which, I support.

BINGO!

That's my one big beef right now with the GOP is how the neocons have taken over and moved the party far to the right. There is some hope, though, in that some Republicans were ripping into Rove about the administration's fiscal irresponsibility and move into social medicine.

 

[1EZduzit]

The Conservative Case for Voting Democratic

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Yeah, let's talk about Bush's service to this country. From what I have read he spent most of his time helping family cronies get elected.
What I don't get: He seems so gung ho about sending the military in to blow things up, but managed to avoid actually participating when he had the chance. It's a mockery of all the guys getting killed now.

George HW Bush was an ambassador, member of the congress [House of Reps], and director of the CIA while Dubya was in the Air National Guard. If Dubya was in any branch of the active duty military and was captured by the enemies, dont you think he would have made pretty good leverage for negotiations of any sort, knowing who his father is?

Be aware of the times and the situations instead of just blindly reaching for mud to sling.

Maybe the RNC chairman during the time period?

One of Admiral Zumwalt's son's(Elmo III) was in Vietnam at the same time the Admiral was Commander Naval Forces, Vietnam and Chief of the Naval Advisory Group, U. S. Military Assistance Command, Vietnam.

Elliot Roosevelt flew Recon missions over bombing targets during WWII.

Brig. General Theodore Roosevelt Jr. led his Division on to the beaches at Normandy.

AG Ashcroft's son is or was stationed on a Destroyer off Iraq. How dangerous is that. Well they just relieved the skipper of the carrier JFK for allowing a fishing boat to run into it. The potential is there.

Forgot Al Gore served in Vietnam. Son of a Senator.

And they had John S. McCain III whose father was Commander, Eastern Sea Frontier, 1965-67; Commander in Chief, U.S. Naval Forces in Europe, 1967-68; Commander in Chief, U.S. Forces in the Pacific, 1968-72. during the Senator's years of captivity.

 

[arsbanned]

Be aware of the times and the situations instead of just blindly reaching for mud to sling

That's rich coming from a Republican. It's OK when Kerry is smeared regarding events from 30 years ago, but we should " Be aware of the times and the situations instead of just blindly reaching for mud to sling" when it comes to Bush....

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Be aware of the times and the situations instead of just blindly reaching for mud to sling

That's rich coming from a Republican. It's OK when Kerry is smeared regarding events from 30 years ago, but we should " Be aware of the times and the situations instead of just blindly reaching for mud to sling" when it comes to Bush....

It's especially rich if you realize that GWB's actions would have been enough to get him court-martialed if it had been a declared war. Why is it people can't see that?? What a travesty of justice to drag Kerry's name through the mud to help elect GWB!!

Are people blind, or have we just became so used to the double standard that we're accoustomed to it?

 

[1EZduzit]

THE TRUTH ABOUT BUSH'S MILITARY SERVICE RECORD

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
THE TRUTH ABOUT BUSH'S MILITARY SERVICE RECORD

Seems like an excellent summary but it's dated Sept. 2000. Has nothing changed re:Bush's records since?