Bush where was he?

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: LongAce
Serving your country in the states vs. serving you country on the battlefield doesn't make one better then the other. Each person has a duty got their country and they all do their best to help this country. The fire fighters, police officers, teachers, engineers, scientist, civil service, soldiers etc. They all do a part in protecting this country. Without each other, we can only last so long before we lose. This has been the downfall of many civilization and mankind.

It doesn't make one better then the other, but IMO it makes one more deserving then the other. He risked everything for his country. The other guy just did his time. Without a defense, the people you speak of would be too busy defending themselves to do their work.

Again, i really think we should put a draft system back in place. Your number gets drawn and your in for 4 years or 6 years or whatever. No exemptions, it doesn't matter who you are.

Why? The volunteer system seems to be working rather well.

Why? Read my sig, that's why.

Care to explain to me how a draft would keep the powerful and elite from gaming the system?

Oviously it couldn't stop it altogether, but it sure as hell would slow it down a lot. Just the fact that we had a draft and some of the congressman's and rich people's children would also be sent into harm's way would have given our leaders a little more patience before starting this war.

That seems simple and logical to me??

I would not count on that happening. We are better served with a volunteer army.

 

[1EZduzit]

I hear a lot of people talking about a draft. I have mixed feelings on it because it does have disadvantages and advantages. I'm not sure if I buy the argument about all the training invloved. Why couldn't a draftee serve in the guards after boot camp and training? He would stay current on the skills involved, and if military action was needed they would be some of the first to go.

 

[EXman]

STFU the media didn't even think twice about questioning Kerry's records that he said he give out then didn't this is such an old issue that nobody gives a rip about. Including Vets.

 

[Infohawk]

EXman, this thread is about Bush being AWOL. It's not about you and Kerry-bashing. Face it neocons, Bush wanted poor chumps to do his fighting so he could be in the champagne squadron. PA-THET-IC. But it is funny to imagine the chimp flying... It's like the movie Wargames where the monkeys test fly the planes. Remember?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
EXman, this thread is about Bush being AWOL. It's not about you and Kerry-bashing. Face it neocons, Bush wanted poor chumps to do his fighting so he could be in the champagne squadron. PA-THET-IC. But it is funny to imagine the chimp flying... It's like the movie Wargames where the monkeys test fly the planes. Remember?

Here is a cookie for you

Double stuff for your double standard

 

[kautilya]

why bring out such questions first if you are going to cry foul over them later

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: charrison
I would not count on that happening. We are better served with a volunteer army.

I'd hate to see what would happen if Cheney/Dub had a conscripted Army at their disposal

 

[earthman]

What happened thirty years ago is completely relevant if we're evaluating someone's character. If someone commited a murder thirty years ago it would certainly be relevant. Why is lying and scamming suddenly not? It appears that Bush wanted the glory and prestige of being a jet pilot with none of the risk. He probably found out it was tougher than he thought so he skipped out, because he came from a connected family and figured daddy or grandpa would pull strings if they had to. Did he show bad judgement and poor character, yes, but so do lots of men at that age. Would it improve his image to come clean about it now? No, but it would be the right thing to do. I think the whole Bush administration with the exception of Colin Powell is embarrassed by their military record (or lack of it) and simply wants to stifle any discussion of it by acting tough. While I don't hesitate to say shame on Bush for his shabby behavior in the Guard, shame also on the military for allowing it to happen, especially at at time when thousands of men were fighting an unpopular war. And people criticizing John Kerry for the quality of his combat experience is just ridiculous...I suppose if he got both arms shot off they'd say he shouldn't get a medal because he still has two legs. It is pathetic.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
It's amazing how far Nascar fans will go to keep their worldview intact. They rewrite history in order to make the Democrat the sniveling coward and the Republican the honorable sentinel of freedom when in fact their idol was a coke-sniffing, chimpanzee-imitating, privileged frat boy who got took the monied way out of serving in Vietnam.

WTF? Ok...

It's amazing how far Liberals will go to keep their worldview intact. They criticize and belittle in order to make the Republican the redneck, beer-guzzling, stupid yokel and the Democrat the highly-educated, well-mannered, family man, when in fact their idol was a pot-smoking, affair-having, privileged frat boy who took the draft-dodging way out of serving in Vietnam.

Wow, see how easy this is? See how this gets us nowhere? Stop trolling and post something useful for a change.

 

[burnedout]

**Breaking News**

Bush's Father Dismisses Vietnam Claims

**Film at Eleven**

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: burnedout
**Breaking News**

Bush's Father Dismisses Vietnam Claims

**Film at Eleven**

Did any expect him to say that he did ask someone to pull strings??? Certainly not me. That would require truth and integrity, something the Bush family seems to lack. It must be in the gene's.

 

[Infohawk]

What would Jesus do in the chimp's position? He would tell the truth: "America, during the Vietnam war I was not a serious guy. I did coke. I drank. I was rich so I didnt' have to work. My daddy gave me money when necessary. But don't hold it against me. I HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN. Kerry was much more dutiful in Vietnam. Why should you choose me now? Because I promise more violence against those who caused 9/11. Iraqis, especially all Iraqis who were in Abu Graib....

 

[Resurge174]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
What would Jesus do in the chimp's position? He would tell the truth: "America, during the Vietnam war I was not a serious guy. I did coke. I drank. I was rich so I didnt' have to work. My daddy gave me money when necessary. But don't hold it against me. I HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN. Kerry was much more dutiful in Vietnam. Why should you choose me now? Because I promise more violence against those who caused 9/11. Iraqis, especially all Iraqis who were in Abu Graib....

wow (lmao)

 

[Resurge174]

but back to the topic i think it is wrong to go back about thirty years in a persons life and bring it back up in a presidential campaign. Just like they brang up George Bushes D.W.I. But i dont doubt that some war veterans wont vote for him because of the accusations John Kerry did against some.

 

[Infohawk]

Aren't the Republicans supposed to be the party of accountability? All of a sudden it's okay to do whatever you want when you're young because basically time heals all wounds. Where's the accountability?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Aren't the Republicans supposed to be the party of accountability? All of a sudden it's okay to do whatever you want when you're young because basically time heals all wounds. Where's the accountability?

Whoa.. that's actually almost a relevant point.

for you!

If I were inclined to argue with you, I would say that yes, Bush should be held accountable for his actions in his younger days. But what does that mean? How is he NOT being held accountable for them? Should he be forced to get "I was a rich, drunken bastard" tattooed on his forehead? Should he be forced to resign or prohibited from running? What are you proposing be done? I think that many people (not all) know about his past and have taken that into account when deciding who to vote for. Some people place a high priority on it, other don't.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Resurge174
but back to the topic i think it is wrong to go back about thirty years in a persons life and bring it back up in a presidential campaign.

It's relevant only because the Bush campaign has tried to BS about Bush's record, now.

In the past few weeks, they have produced a few people who claim to have seen Bush in Alabama when he was claims he was in flight training, but they have yet to produce any pay records or other official documentation to show he was actually there. The military usually keeps better records than that.

That is current BS which is why I said it raises strong doubts about his present integrity and crediblity.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Resurge174
but back to the topic i think it is wrong to go back about thirty years in a persons life and bring it back up in a presidential campaign.

It's relevant only because the Bush campaign has tried to BS about Bush's record, now.

In the past few weeks, they have produced a few people who claim to have seen Bush in Alabama when he was claims he was in flight training, but they have yet to produce any pay records or other official documentation to show he was actually there. The military usually keeps better records than that.

That is current BS which is why I said it raises strong doubts about his present integrity and crediblity.

And Kerry's Vietnam record is relevant because he pulled up to the convention in a swiftboat and said 'reporting for duty'.. Yeah, I guess he did, before he at best embellished some wounds to get out early.. Then proceeded to tells lies about his actions in Vietnam for the next 30 years.. I think THAT raises strong doubts about his integrity and credibility as well.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Yeah, I guess he did, before he at best embellished some wounds to get out early.. Then proceeded to tells lies about his actions in Vietnam for the next 30 years.. I think THAT raises strong doubts about his integrity and credibility as well.

Wow. It's pretty low to degrade the service of a vietnam vet. Have you no shame? You were probably one of those people that spit on the nam vets when they came back in the 70s huh?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Crimson
And Kerry's Vietnam record is relevant because he pulled up to the convention in a swiftboat and said 'reporting for duty'.. Yeah, I guess he did, before he at best embellished some wounds to get out early.. Then proceeded to tells lies about his actions in Vietnam for the next 30 years.. I think THAT raises strong doubts about his integrity and credibility as well.

That is, only IF you still hold onto the fairytales told by the Not So Swifties which every credible major news outlet has thoroughly discredited.

Fox doesn't count as a either credible or a news organization. If you want to continue that line, it should be in the Swift Boat thread, not here. Before you post, you may want to follow the links in that thread that conclusively disprove what those liars have said.

 

[wiin]

Media failed to find facts behind Bush's service record

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Turnipseed states Bush was never ordered to report to the Alabama Air National Guard. He points out that Bush never transferred from the Texas Air National Guard to the Alabama Air National Guard. He remained in the Texas Guard during his stay in Alabama. This was confirmed by the Texas Guard. And Turnipseed added that Bush was never under his command or any other officer in the Alabama Guard.

Turnipseed added that Bush was informed of the drill schedule of the Alabama Guard as a courtesy so he could get credit for drills while in Alabama for his service record in the Texas Guard. There was no compulsory attendance.This was also confirmed by the Texas Guard.

An Air National Guard officer such as George Bush left an extensive paper trail of service. The vital summary sheet of a military record is a simple form called the DD214 or NGB 22. It covers all the basic questions being asked about Bush today. Every military veteran has one.

Did a single member of the thousands in the press take the trouble to look up just one DD214 or NGB22 -- President Bush's?

Apparently not. And that is the saddest part of the story.

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[1EZduzit]

So he went to Alabama, got credit for fullfilling his drills , but wasn't required to attend?

Man, sign me up. I'd like to learn to fly jets and then not have to do anything!! Just show me where to sign and I'm in. I'd like to get a deal like that just once in my lifetime. It would help my bitterness problem oput emmensley!! LOL

 

[Harvey]

I was in the Army National Guard, and I had friends in the Air National Guard. I know for a fact, if Bush was active in the Air National Guard, he was required to show up somewhere for summer training. That's the law.

At the time, he was in Alabama, working on a Republican election campaign, and someone made arrangements for him to put in his time, there.

If he didn't put in the required time, there, where did he do it?

Why did he later claim he put in his time, there?

Why did other Republicans later go to such great lengths to find people who told the press they did see him, there? :roll:

Since there are no records of him doing his required service anywhere, it seems to be one of the great mysteries of the ages.

 

[MrPALCO]

Since you were in the Guard Harvey, shouldn't we apply the same standard to you that you apply to President Bush?

Aren't you a draft dodging slacker who has no credibility?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: MrPALCO
Since you were in the Guard Harvey, shouldn't we apply the same standard to you that you apply to President Bush?

Aren't you a draft dodging slacker who has no credibility?

Not if he fulfilled his duty.