In 68 it was the Democrats who had the riots outside their convention. Why, because they were the Party in Power and the ones who escalated the Viet Nam War.
In 68 it was the Democrats who had the riots outside their convention. Why, because they were the Party in Power and the ones who escalated the Viet Nam War.Originally posted by: alchemize
For all you history buffs out there - remember who Nixon was running against? Gee - what party had the riots outside the convention? Who was the pro-war candidate?
Originally posted by: glenn1
President Johnson brought down...the anti-War protests.
"As more and more American soldiers died in Vietnam, Johnson's popularity declined, particularly in the face of student protests ("Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids have you killed today?").
Hmmm... I always considered the reason LBJ to have decided not to run again was that he had such a poor showing against Eugene McCarthy in the '68 primaries. He still won, but with Hubert Humphreys and RFK getting ready to enter the race, Johnson decided he'd had enough. That's not to say that anti-war protests weren't a factor, but it's only one factor. Of the factors LBJ cites in his memoirs, the pressure of the job were his top reason, the necessity to raise taxes second, and protesters third.
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
I have to admit that I've always been confused as to how hoping and striving toward world peace could be construed as a bad thing. Just mind-boggling to me.
Originally posted by: Yo_Ma-Ma
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
I have to admit that I've always been confused as to how hoping and striving toward world peace could be construed as a bad thing. Just mind-boggling to me.
Because it's all about how you go about striving for peace. For instance:
Peace For Our Time
Neville Chamberlain
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: rextilleon
It appears that do to their incredible mastery of every dirty trick under the sun and their expert use of Propoganda, the Bushites will win this election. Kerry's campaign is run by people who have no idea how to fight the forces of Big Brother. Having said that, the next four years look glum. I would say that by year three of the IRaqi fiasco, major civil disobedience will occur. It is my hope that we revist that shinning moment in the 60's where we brought down one president and forced another one to act to bring our boys home. It will soon be time to take to the streets!
Guess what? The huge riots and protests over the Vietnam war ended abruptly after the draft was scrapped in 1973. After that, the antiwar protests were hardly different in size and effect than what we see today. The vast amjority of antiwar rioters of the 60s were fueled by kids scared of being drafted... not by any real moral problem with the war
This is why the antiwar folks are doing everything they can to get a draft passed, or at least spread as much FUD about a draft as possible.
You can dream all you like, but you'll never see anything like the 60s riots again unless a draft is passed... and that's a real big long shot.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: raildogg
People like you instigate violence and fill the minds of kids with rage. Keep that civil disobedience junk to yourself, plz.
Earth to Raildog, Civil Disobedience is not violent.
We've survived the first 4 years of the Dub, we can survive another 4 if he were to win. Don't blame the Republicans if we have to endure another 4 years of his incompetent leadership, blame the Democrats for not running someone who was at least capable of defeating subpar leader like the Dub.
Originally posted by: Nik
Like was said at the RNC, I trust the lives of my family in the hands of Bush. I do not trust my family's lives in the hands of Kerry.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
In 68 it was the Democrats who had the riots outside their convention. Why, because they were the Party in Power and the ones who escalated the Viet Nam War.Originally posted by: alchemize
For all you history buffs out there - remember who Nixon was running against? Gee - what party had the riots outside the convention? Who was the pro-war candidate?
Originally posted by: steeplerot
Civil Disobedience is not only healthy for our Democracy it is nessasary power to those who stand up against the powers that be.
Originally posted by: Nik
Like was said at the RNC, I trust the lives of my family in the hands of Bush. I do not trust my family's lives in the hands of Kerry.
What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter
on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a chief
magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed
towards one: & what we have always read of the elections of Polish
kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for
life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent & persevering lying. The
British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and
model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world
has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the
ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more
wonderful, we have believed them ourselves.
Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except
in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an
instance of rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's
motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid
we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people
cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will
be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they
misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is
lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had
thirteen states independent eleven years. There has been one
rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each
state. What country before ever existed a century & a half without a
rebellion? & what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers
are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit
of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right
as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives
lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its
natural manure.
Originally posted by: steeplerot
Civil Disobedience is not only healthy for our Democracy it is nessasary power to those who stand up against the powers that be.
Originally posted by: rextilleon
It appears that do to their incredible mastery of every dirty trick under the sun and their expert use of Propoganda, the Bushites will win this election. Kerry's campaign is run by people who have no idea how to fight the forces of Big Brother. Having said that, the next four years look glum. I would say that by year three of the IRaqi fiasco, major civil disobedience will occur. It is my hope that we revist that shinning moment in the 60's where we brought down one president and forced another one to act to bring our boys home. It will soon be time to take to the streets!
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: rextilleon
It appears that do to their incredible mastery of every dirty trick under the sun and their expert use of Propoganda, the Bushites will win this election. Kerry's campaign is run by people who have no idea how to fight the forces of Big Brother. Having said that, the next four years look glum. I would say that by year three of the IRaqi fiasco, major civil disobedience will occur. It is my hope that we revist that shinning moment in the 60's where we brought down one president and forced another one to act to bring our boys home. It will soon be time to take to the streets!
I can imagine large demonstrations against Bush.
I wonder what his second inauguration would be like...does he get a second formal ceremony?
Originally posted by: Shuxclams
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: rextilleon
It appears that do to their incredible mastery of every dirty trick under the sun and their expert use of Propoganda, the Bushites will win this election. Kerry's campaign is run by people who have no idea how to fight the forces of Big Brother. Having said that, the next four years look glum. I would say that by year three of the IRaqi fiasco, major civil disobedience will occur. It is my hope that we revist that shinning moment in the 60's where we brought down one president and forced another one to act to bring our boys home. It will soon be time to take to the streets!
I can imagine large demonstrations against Bush.
I wonder what his second inauguration would be like...does he get a second formal ceremony?
We threw eggs at him last time he almost won the election.... maybe watermelons? Tomatoes? KY Jelly filled water ballons?
SHUX
Klixxer if I could give out citzenship I could think of some fellow Americans who should hand over theirs to you, well spoken.Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: steeplerot
Civil Disobedience is not only healthy for our Democracy it is nessasary power to those who stand up against the powers that be.
It is not the peoples job to stand behind their government, but it IS the governments job to stand behind the people, civil disobediance is the only tool, except for revolution, that the people have to show their dissent of the current politics.
Originally posted by: steeplerot
Klixxer if I could give out citzenship I could think of some fellow Americans who should hand over theirs to you, well spoken.Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: steeplerot
Civil Disobedience is not only healthy for our Democracy it is nessasary power to those who stand up against the powers that be.
It is not the peoples job to stand behind their government, but it IS the governments job to stand behind the people, civil disobediance is the only tool, except for revolution, that the people have to show their dissent of the current politics.
Originally posted by: zzzz
Its funny how most of the people who are against gun control because it will make the governments too strong are against civil disobedience.
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
If I told my in-laws (notorious Republicans) that I was going to Washington DC in order to protest the war in Iraq, they'd think I was either unpatriotic or stupid. Seems to be a common malody in the right's point of view.