Bush's response is not adequate

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
We'll see if it ever gets here. Anybody can offer.

And I know that Citgo was gouging here. Coincidence that it was all the Citgos? I think not.

Proof of this?

Looks like BP to me <--- Captured the image from Yahoo.

http://www.atlantagasprices.com/

Shell - $3.99
Marathon - $3.99
Exxon - $3.99
Chevron - $3.95
Citgo - $3.79
Citgo - $3.69


Nice try.

No proof of your claim??

How are you getting your prices? I'm getting different ones... BP and Chevron as the lowest by far.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Trumpet -

Shouldn't they have been deployed to Iraq over two years ago?

They were there on the rush, came back in previous April & are preparing for redeployment.

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What we are witnessing here is a community collective form of PTSD where in short time with no anticipation of the severity.
These situations historically turn into anarchist struggles - Mad Max at the Superdome.
Explosive Psycho Drama.

Vigalante lynch mob paranoia and mentality.

If the fires come, you can't put them out without a functioning hydrant system.

Whatever is left when the water leaves is dead. Trees don't live long with drown roots.
Vegetation swamped by water bearing toxice chemicals die.
Much of the ground becomes sterile.
Buildings standing in water - wood rots, drywall crumbles, brick and mortar leach lime and calcium deposits, the brick 'mushes',
the mortar weeps out and degrades the joints. These buildings must be leveled before reconstruction can begin.
It will take decades to rebuild, as everything cannot be put up at the same time, priorities must direct the reclamation.
Where to start ? Homes ? Wal-Mart ? it's . . . not there anymore.

Watch the insurers fight tooth and nail to not have to pay on 'technicalities'.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

i just saw the FEMA guy say that the national gov't didnt know anyone was at the convention center till today...WTF...dont they have tv's??

 

[Kremlar]

Boy, you are a pretty dense individual aren't you? That wasn't what Hastert said you moron, that was his press secretary covering his ass after he put his foot in his mouth. Hastert said it made no sense to rebuilt the city. His PRESS SECRETARY is the one who covered for him. Perhaps you cannot read, but I certainly can.

LOL - you're taking 1 or 2 lines out of the interview, and not the entire context.

He also said this:

There are "some real tough questions to ask," Hastert said in the interview. "How do you go about rebuilding this city? What precautions do you take?"

He's saying that things need to be rebuilt differently. He's not sure how, but obviously differently. Don't be a dope.

And he's right - most of that city obviously needs to be bulldozed.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
i just saw the FEMA guy say that the national gov't didnt know anyone was at the convention center till today...WTF...dont they have tv's??

They are out of it.

I have a feeling this is going to be horrific before all is said and done.

 

[Kremlar]

I guess the message from the Bush administration is this, if there is a crisis, you're on your own. But don't do anything to survive that might be against the law during normal times. But since Bush overtook the U.S. government nothing is normal anymore.

LOL. And if Bush didn't come out against the looting, people would be bitching about that too.

What's he supposed to say? "It's OK to loot, but just for food and essentials"??????

Duh...

 

[Kremlar]

this disaster started about 4 almost 5 days ago. The adminstration has pledged troops would be in the area tommorow(fri).

It's not like there was a nuclear missle heading towards Louisiana - it was a hurricane, and the area has survived many hurricanes in the past. This one hit way harder than expected, and the situation worsened as local authorities weren't able to handle it.

Certainly, if we sent in military to every heavy hurrican or other natural disaster, the left would be bitching about us living in a military controlled state.

The bottom line is that it's a terrible situation, and hindsight is 20-20. Nobody WANTS to be in this situation.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Kremlar

this disaster started about 4 almost 5 days ago. The adminstration has pledged troops would be in the area tommorow(fri).

It's not like there was a nuclear missle heading towards Louisiana - it was a hurricane, and the area has survived many hurricanes in the past. This one hit way harder than expected, and the situation worsened as local authorities weren't able to handle it.

Certainly, if we sent in military to every heavy hurrican or other natural disaster, the left would be bitching about us living in a military controlled state.

The bottom line is that it's a terrible situation, and hindsight is 20-20. Nobody WANTS to be in this situation.

Why did it take four days when the level of damage was glaringly apparent right after the storm?

Where was the help?

They had to get troops from thirty states to aid in the recovery. Why do you think that is?

 

[BBond]

There is a woman on talking about conditions at the convention center right now. They are getting NOTHING STILL. No water, food, nothing. No police, no soldiers. That FEMA a$$hole Brown KNOWS NOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE DOESN'T HE??? They're talking to her live. STILL NO HELP WHATSOEVER.

This is a national disgrace. Someone has to answer for this.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
We'll see if it ever gets here. Anybody can offer.

And I know that Citgo was gouging here. Coincidence that it was all the Citgos? I think not.

Proof of this?

Looks like BP to me <--- Captured the image from Yahoo.

http://www.atlantagasprices.com/

Shell - $3.99
Marathon - $3.99
Exxon - $3.99
Chevron - $3.95
Citgo - $3.79
Citgo - $3.69


Nice try.

No proof of your claim??

How are you getting your prices? I'm getting different ones... BP and Chevron as the lowest by far.

I got those prices by clicking the atlantagasprices.com link. The BP image was a station somewhere in the Atlanta area (took it off of Yahoo)

 

[Kremlar]

Why did it take four days when the level of damage was glaringly apparent right after the storm?

I'm not saying it shouldn't have been quicker, but it's unreasonable to think they should have been there day 1. But, if you've watched this as it's progressed, the situation has gradually worsened each day because of their inability to block the levees, and the thugs/idiots running around with guns (especially the past day).

They had to get troops from thirty states to aid in the recovery. Why do you think that is?

Do you think troops from 1 state, or even 10 states, could handle this kind of disaster? If we had enough National Guard in the Louisiana area to handle this kind of disaster, I'd say our local military was grossly too large. Of course this kind of disaster, as it stands today, requires a huge amount of manpower.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: stateofbeasley
I haven't seen this much general trolling and inflamatory comments in a long time. There are a few things that bother me:

(1) Most of the video I am watching on the news shows that the people who suffered the most were the poor and the elderly. There was prior notice that this storm was coming. Why weren't the people in wheelchairs, the people with dire medical conditions, and those in otherwise fragile health evacuated? I'm extremely bothered to see elderly people dead and dying, some clutching hastily scrawled notes to loved ones. I've no numbers to back this up, but most of the poor and helpless are African American. This segment of the population has taken a really hard hit.

(2) Why isn't more food and water being delivered to these people?

(3) If the Federal government isn't moving quickly enough on this, how would they react to a huge, city-wide disaster caused by terrorism? I really would not want to get caught up in that.

This isn't a large, city wide disaster caused by terrorism. This covers some 90,000 square miles across large portions of three states. Magnitude, dude! Terrorists can't do this damage unless they get nukes. If we don't keep them strained in Iraq, they may well get nukes.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Anyone who looks to Bush or FEMA for any measure of help is delusional. Government employees, stealing their paychecks for years, will seldom if ever, rise to the occasion when the chips are down.

You see a lot more FEMA and military vehicles and choppers there than you do Red Cross!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: OrByte
I think its funny how no one has seemed to ask a very specific question to this administration and that is:

this disaster started about 4 almost 5 days ago. The adminstration has pledged troops would be in the area tommorow(fri).

WTF!?

thats 5 days with no law, no available food or water...your body needs water or in 4 or 5 days YOU ARE DEAD.

why couldn't the administration act a little faster!? straight up parachute into the area and restore some sense of order.

SO after 5 days the NG will arrive, that doesnt even BEGIN to administer some sort of PLAN and put the plan in motion...which may happen SAT or SUN. That is a WHOLE WEEK of 1000s of people not having access to food or water.

lots of people are going to be dead

We keep hearing that help will be on the way friday...well...friday is too goddam late.

It is the responsibility of state and local government to contain the emergancy until the Federal government can react. With 51 states to be responsible for, it is a much larger process at the DC level.

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I would think at some point people would start to drink that brackish water. I don't even want to think about what that would do to your body but I'm sure it's going to cause some of the deaths.

ALL of the reporters on the ground are shaken up. Look at anderson cooper, he's like walking around by himself sometimes catching up with other reporters and saying "where are the authorities?"

I never would of thought that these people wouldn't even be airdropped food and water by now. I wonder how fast we can put a heavy bomber in the air and have it strike on the other side of the planet?

Your bomber analogy is very weak. Those are sent to targets that have been in planning for weeks, months or years. The Gulf Coast urban areas is something totally different.

Even in these times, communications are not restored instananeously.

It is "ironical" that Baghdad (prewar) was up and running. The military had less intelligence about it than FEMA and the Red Cross does about New Orleans today.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Kremlar
If we had enough National Guard in the Louisiana area to handle this kind of disaster, I'd say our local military was grossly too large.

40% of thier militia is in Iraq. But your probably for that one too.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: stateofbeasley
I'm sure that many Americans have and will donate money, but what counts in situations like these is rapid response to keep people alive.

Originally posted by: OrByte
thats 5 days with no law, no available food or water...your body needs water or in 4 or 5 days YOU ARE DEAD.
...
lots of people are going to be dead

We keep hearing that help will be on the way friday...well...friday is too goddam late.

And local government is there to do that! They failed!

 

[tcsenter]

Having said that, it's not like you can blame Bush for bad planning in Louisiana. The people lived in a friggin' bowl surrounded by water! Now you can certainly blame Bush for having diverted thousands of National Guard (Iraq) and hundreds of billions (Iraq) but that's about it.

You could blame Bush for that, except it hasn't affected the hurricane response:

78,000 of the roughly 440,000 National Guard troops nationwide are deployed overseas.

That said, 24 hours before Katrina landed, I kept hearing and reading of officials on the news talking about the number of guardsmen who had been called up and were standing by for immediate deployment; 200 guardsmen here, 500 guardsmen there, maybe 1500 total. WTF?? CAT5 hurricane and only 1500 guardsmen were standing by for deployment? Now there are 10,000+ more on the way. There should have been that many ready to begin with.

What appears to have happened, in part, early reports were that New Orleans was 'spared' from any considerable damage, while areas east of N.O. near Biloxi were practically leveled. Katrina landed further east of N.O. than predicted. All those immediate response assets standing by around MS, LA, AL, TX, and TN, were directed to areas reported hardest hit (east of N.O.). THEN, the levy around N.O. broke and flooded the city. 70% of the city was DRY several hours after Katrina passed, then the water came pouring in. Its hard to redirect that kind of effort once it has already been committed.

It would also seem officials hugely underestimated the number of persons who would stay behind, whether by choice or not. I cannot believe these people didn't take even the most basic short-term preparations, such as filling empty milk jugs, 2 liter bottles, whatever they could find, with clean tap water and caching some canned goods. They had two to three days advanced notice. Tap water doesn't come out of coin-operated fixtures and a mixed case of canned soup, stew, beans, and the like can be purchased for less than $20. Most of these people aren't that damned poor, unless they have drug and alcohol habits to feed (priorities, you know), or are sickly.

I expected some people to have no means of preparing, but it appears that NONE of these people took ANY short term preparations. It doesn't take a college degree and a good income to think "Hmm, maybe I should fill some of these empty malt liquor bottles with tap water...just in case."

 

[JSt0rm]

you don't think the local government was affected just as bad as those stranded? I give the mayor props for still being there when he could of easily left. Trying to get people moving out of the city now that he realizes no help is coming.

 

[Kremlar]

40% of thier militia is in Iraq. But your probably for that one too.

Uh yeah - we're fighting a war, duh. I'm not sure about the number, but that sounds plausible.

What do you expect?

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
How many threads are we going to have asking this identical question?

Face it, your guy is a failure.

 

[MicroChrome]

Hey bush failed again...

Can we FIRE him this time? I think we should get another vote out... He needs to step down because he can't run this country yet a war in Iraq. He has no plan... He is the worst president we have ever had.

I want him out of office. And NO I did NOT vote for this loser.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Anyone who looks to Bush or FEMA for any measure of help is delusional. Goverment employees stealing their paychecks for years, will seldom if ever, rise to the occasion when the chips are down.

The thieves are not thte FEMA eployees. They are the guy that lives next door. Last year, Miami-Dade County spawned a healthy number of fraudulent claims.

I was in Camille and the aftermath. I was on Pass Road, 1.5 miles from the beach between Gulfport and Biloxi. I was newly married and we stayed in place because I was pretty macho and wanted to see the eye of a big hurricane. That may have been stupid, but was well studied and correctly done. After the storm, we had stored enough water, food, fuel and clothing for a couple of weeks. When our roof came off, we moved the stuff to safety. After the storm, I repaired the roof with stuff from the storm. We were not in the surge. Camille is one reason I retired to Lookout Mountain instead of the Gulf. This is a hundred times worse than Camille. Our neighbors were out looting all of the night of the storm and until Marshal law was declared. We got milk and had extra. I offered the neighbor across the street the extra. He had four children. He wouldn't even walk across the street to get it. I finally walked to our apartment and took it to him. During the weeks after Camille, I saw many families get numerous vouchers for appliances. They did this by visiting different emergancy relief stations and presenting themselves as different people with lost ID. Then they would go and trade the vouchers for stuff that they weren't meant for. For instance, a washing machine voucher for a TV. Lots of that going on. Not saying that will happen here, but?

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
How many threads are we going to have asking this identical question?

I think it's called flooding the zone (no pun intended as it isn't funny).
The fringe left is spinning themselves into a tizzy over this because they just know that if they throw enough tripe out there that the MSM is going to take the bait on atleast one of the hooks. The problem is that the MSM won't realize it's stink-bait until it's too late. When will they(MSM) learn not to keep opening the door on their own noses?

Yeah, rail is a LIBERALLLLL with a CAPITAL "L" baby....
:disgust:

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Kremlar

I guess the message from the Bush administration is this, if there is a crisis, you're on your own. But don't do anything to survive that might be against the law during normal times. But since Bush overtook the U.S. government nothing is normal anymore.

LOL. And if Bush didn't come out against the looting, people would be bitching about that too.

What's he supposed to say? "It's OK to loot, but just for food and essentials"??????

Duh...

Naw, that was the place of the Governor!