Why would you not want to know the total price up front? Maybe there is an argument for sales tax because it doesn't actually go to the business, but any fee going to the company is completely fungible and they can/do us it for anything they want.I'm in favor of itemized fees as long as they are clearly spelled out in a consistent and uniform manner across the board.
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Other than tipping, I've never seen an optional fee. But the law only applies to mandatory fees. Mandatory fees only exist to artificially make the price appear lower.If fees are openly itemized, you would know the full price up front. Thing is, fees can vary and some are optional/extra, so when itemized, you might be able to pick and choose.
Ohh you definitely won't have that problem anymore. Hotel rates in LV are so high nowadays that the $50 resort fee is a relatively small fraction of the advertised room rate.I think Vegas invented the resort fee. The last time I stayed there, the TI had just implemented and everyone was fighting with the front desk about it. Every time since then I've looked into going to Vegas, I get to the total price that is double the quoted price and I say forget it.
Last place I went to that hit me with a resort fee was Silver Legacy at Reno. That was over 10 years ago. Bunch of BS.Ohh you definitely won't have that problem anymore. Hotel rates in LV are so high nowadays that the $50 resort fee is a relatively small fraction of the advertised room rate.
I used to go there a few times a year, but pre-Covid it was still affordable compared to now.
Yeah, I've priced it out a couple times, absolutely not worth the price any more. Especially since once you get there everything is insanely expensive. Gone are the days of cheap hotels, and free or cheap entertainment.Ohh you definitely won't have that problem anymore. Hotel rates in LV are so high nowadays that the $50 resort fee is a relatively small fraction of the advertised room rate.
I used to go there a few times a year, but pre-Covid it was still affordable compared to now.
I've been to Vegas once. Place has the weirdest vibes. I had some fun, but I think overall the vibe is not good. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.Yeah, I've priced it out a couple times, absolutely not worth the price any more. Especially since once you get there everything is insanely expensive. Gone are the days of cheap hotels, and free or cheap entertainment.
This feels weird - I don't mean to defend Vegas as I'm not really a fan but I've had a lot of trips to Vegas, all due to conferences. If you're not going during a major conference you can still find pretty good hotel rates. Luxor and LINQ for $60-70/nt even after their $50 fees isn't bad compared to what you'd get for the same rate at other notable cities in the US. Harrah's for $10 less a night if you're not planning on staying in your room other than to sleep is...fine. If you have access to FHR, Virtuoso, LHC type hotel programs the deals are pretty good compared to a lot of other cities in the US for fairly nice rooms at Venetian, Cosmo, Bellagio etc. And if you head off the strip to say Koval st or something you can still find massive fish and chips, steak etc for 11.95 or thereabouts. It does take work though otherwise you'll walk into a Gordon Ramsey atrocity and pay $90 for a mediocre dinner. Plus everything is very much designed to nickle and dime you. "We have 300 rooms available but do you want to check in at 10am? $50 please. 1pm? $30 please." "Oh this room has a view of a parking garage. Upgrade for just $5 to a view of a bank of HVAC exhausts!". It really is the posterchild location for why the fees need to be advertised upfront. Still, if you're able to swing a parking deal during booking (relatively common IME) standard rentals are cheap and there's cool stuff in the surrounding areas like the Hoover Dam and Red Rocks.Yeah, I've priced it out a couple times, absolutely not worth the price any more. Especially since once you get there everything is insanely expensive. Gone are the days of cheap hotels, and free or cheap entertainment.
To state the obvious, Vegas room rates for Sunday through Tuesday are vastly cheaper than weekend rates. And most folks generally plan weekend trips to Vegas; Zorba probably has different plans for his PTO days. Obviously it's supply and demand driven, but inflation has hit Las Vegas hard post-Covid.This feels weird - I don't mean to defend Vegas as I'm not really a fan but I've had a lot of trips to Vegas, all due to conferences. If you're not going during a major conference you can still find pretty good hotel rates. Luxor and LINQ for $60-70/nt even after their $50 fees isn't bad compared to what you'd get for the same rate at other notable cities in the US. Harrah's for $10 less a night if you're not planning on staying in your room other than to sleep is...fine. If you have access to FHR, Virtuoso, LHC type hotel programs the deals are pretty good compared to a lot of other cities in the US for fairly nice rooms at Venetian, Cosmo, Bellagio etc. And if you head off the strip to say Koval st or something you can still find massive fish and chips, steak etc for 11.95 or thereabouts. It does take work though otherwise you'll walk into a Gordon Ramsey atrocity and pay $90 for a mediocre dinner. Plus everything is very much designed to nickle and dime you. "We have 300 rooms available but do you want to check in at 10am? $50 please. 1pm? $30 please." "Oh this room has a view of a parking garage. Upgrade for just $5 to a view of a bank of HVAC exhausts!". It really is the posterchild location for why the fees need to be advertised upfront. Still, if you're able to swing a parking deal during booking (relatively common IME) standard rentals are cheap and there's cool stuff in the surrounding areas like the Hoover Dam and Red Rocks.
Edit: Lulz while playing with dates for Harrah's you can see when a major conference is in town. Close to a $50/nt year round average except for some key dates randomly. During the week of a tiny conference called AWS re:Invent? Skyrockets to ~$300/nt
You do know a percentage of sales tax collected is indeed kicked back to the business that collected it. It’s like 0.5-1%,so small time merchants get a little. But large scale enterprises get huge bucks.Why would you not want to know the total price up front? Maybe there is an argument for sales tax because it doesn't actually go to the business, but any fee going to the company is completely fungible and they can/do us it for anything they want.
When I am looking at hotels, airfare, restaurants, etc I want to know the actual cost, not the "pre-fee" tax, especially when the "Fees" are different at all of them. At least sales tax is consistent within a city.
Yeah, it used to work that way in Oklahoma too, if they paid the state quickly enough they got a small rebate. Then of course cities hand sales tax waivers like candy as well.You do know a percentage of sales tax collected is indeed kicked back to the business that collected it. It’s like 0.5-1%,so small time merchants get a little. But large scale enterprises get huge bucks.
At least that’s how it works in MA, SC, and GA. Can’t imagine it being any different elsewhere.
I mean tourist destinations charging more for weekend/peak dates isn't all that new. The 3 times I've been back post COVID I haven't had a difficult time finding food or lodging at comparable prices with a little looking. All you can eat fish and chips at crown and anchor for $15 on Monday. Tropicana has some good value food options still. Tony Roma's prime rib for $10.99. Hell I passed a food cart that was $2 for a hot dog and PBR. Granted you'll pass a ton of stupidly priced places but that's been the case for a while now. I don't go to those when I have to foot the bill so it could be possible those have gotten way more expensive. But I've always had to watch my food bill in Vegas more than I've had to watch it in other cities while traveling for workTo state the obvious, Vegas room rates for Sunday through Tuesday are vastly cheaper than weekend rates. And most folks generally plan weekend trips to Vegas; Zorba probably has different plans for his PTO days. Obviously it's supply and demand driven, but inflation has hit Las Vegas hard post-Covid.
Did you go there for the ribs?Tony Roma’s!!!
HFS, I think I ate at that place in West Palm Beach 15 days out of the three weeks I was there for a training @ FSI. ❤️❤️❤️
The original contention is that room rates are now a lot higher than they used to be, irrespective of the resort fee that's been around for a while. Yes, a secondary point was that stuff like popular buffets and shows have gotten pricey too, but that wasn't the main argument (partly because inflation is universal and unavoidable). Nobody here said you can't find dining gems if you know where to look. Point is that telling @Zorba he can stay at the LINQ for cheap if he burns some PTO days is really beside the point. He's actually done the math on a getaway and decided that Las Vegas is not worth it to him.I mean tourist destinations charging more for weekend/peak dates isn't all that new. The 3 times I've been back post COVID I haven't had a difficult time finding food or lodging at comparable prices with a little looking. All you can eat fish and chips at crown and anchor for $15 on Monday. Tropicana has some good value food options still. Tony Roma's prime rib for $10.99. Hell I passed a food cart that was $2 for a hot dog and PBR. Granted you'll pass a ton of stupidly priced places but that's been the case for a while now. I don't go to those when I have to foot the bill so it could be possible those have gotten way more expensive. But I've always had to watch my food bill in Vegas more than I've had to watch it in other cities while traveling for work
(I do miss Ellis Islands $9.99 steak dinner (without hoops) and when Vegas breakfast buffets weren't the Whole Thing they are today but at least the last one started precovid)
Eh - He said "Gone are the days of cheap hotels". That statement doesn't say it has to be weekend nights. Maybe that was an unstated personal requirement. All I have to go on is what he posted and I think the Luxor or LINQ for $60/nt is pretty dang cheap for a notable city in the US and I didn't even try all that hard to find cheaper options. If thats still too much then fine we have different views on what a cheap hotel stay isPoint is that telling @Zorba he can stay at the LINQ for cheap if he burns some PTO days is really beside the point. He's actually done the math on a getaway and decided that Las Vegas is not worth it to him.
It's been a while since I've looked at all, but I was probably looking at more expensive times. I'm sure there are deals to be had in off seasons, etc. When I looked it was to combine with other trips that were dictating the timing.Eh - He said "Gone are the days of cheap hotels". That statement doesn't say it has to be weekend nights. Maybe that was an unstated personal requirement. All I have to go on is what he posted and I think the Luxor or LINQ for $60/nt is pretty dang cheap for a notable city in the US and I didn't even try all that hard to find cheaper options. If thats still too much then fine we have different views on what a cheap hotel stay is
In any event my intent was to show if there was real interest in going to Vegas you can do so for a what could be considered a 'cheap' price although it can vary wildly. If you happen to price it out during AWS re:Invent you'll pay 6x the room rate than the week before or after. I've seen plenty of people who throw in a couple date ranges and say "Its too much!" and don't go to (insert destination here). Maybe those are the only dates they can go to. Maybe not. Maybe Zorba did that or maybe he did a more detailed search. But my experience over the past almost 15 years is the hotels in Vegas are roughly in line with what I'd expect (slow increases over time) and nothing wildly different from my previous trips
To my knowledge, I never have. Well, I saw Oppenheimer at one of the ultimate venues in August, but I bought it through Fandango. I tried to use a non-expiring gift card that I'd had for many years (birthday present), but Fandango said it was expired. I bitched my head off and they reactivated the card. So, I have a credit with Fandango. I have no idea of Oppy was offered by Ticketmaster, I suppose not.They are the worst! I basically won't go to any event that sales through Ticketmaster.
The last conference I went to was at the Doubletree in Tuscan. Everyone in my is too cheap for nice conferences.Find a convention that is at least tangentially related to your job and travel to Vegas on the company dime like God intended. Sheesh.
The last conference I went to was at the Doubletree in Tuscan. Everyone in my is too cheap for nice conferences.
Yeah, Tuscan was actually much nicer than I was expecting. Did some hiking and the Titan 2 Silo tour is awesome.At least you can get some dynamite Sonoran food while you're there.