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JD50

Lifer
Sep 4, 2005
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It's a pity that when Newsome runs in 28 no one will see it, or understand it if they do.
This is such a great example of how Democrats are held to a much higher standard than Republicans. Trump disbanded the pandemic response team that his predecessor put in place and subsequently bungled the response to COVID, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths. You voted for him two more times after that, along with just about everyone currently blaming California Democrats for this wildfire. You are a clown of epic proportions.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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IMO you need help because you are consumed with hatred.
I hate shitty people. It's only a sickness to you because you are in that group.

Read a history book. It's filled with large groups of people supporting and doing totally evil shit, just like today's MAGA party which you support.

You'll never realize it because a key quality of all these massive evil populations is they have zero self-awareness, any moral consistency, and are fundamentally indecent people when it comes to socio-economic issues that affect large swaths of people at once.
 

Brovane

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Dec 18, 2001
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I mean this is not the fire time of year so if a reservoir is down for repair this is when you'd want it out of service. Was supposed to be back in operation next month far ahead of fire season. Anyway the volume of water probably needed to realistically fight this kind of blaze compared to the storage capacity is likely missing a zero. Guess who would almost certainly refuse to pay for something that they might never need?

From the article the 3 main storage tanks that service the upper Palisade area held 1 Million Gallons each. This reservoir had a full capacity of 117 Million gallons, not that it would have been full at the time of fire if it was in service. However it isn't much of stretch to think even with the reservoir at 1/4 full a additional 30 Million gallons at elevation in reserve would have made some difference in keeping the Hydrants flowing. The reservoir needed to be fixed because without it's cover, the water wouldn't have been drinkable so they had to take reservoir offline and this time of the year when demand is the lowest would have been the time to do it.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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From the article the 3 main storage tanks that service the upper Palisade area held 1 Million Gallons each. This reservoir had a full capacity of 117 Million gallons, not that it would have been full at the time of fire if it was in service. However it isn't much of stretch to think even with the reservoir at 1/4 full a additional 30 Million gallons at elevation in reserve would have made some difference in keeping the Hydrants flowing. The reservoir needed to be fixed because without it's cover, the water wouldn't have been drinkable so they had to take reservoir offline and this time of the year when demand is the lowest would have been the time to do it.

A likely aggravating factor in the system getting depressurized was that so many homes burnt down resulting in massive leakage. I believe this also happened in Lahaina.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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At the federal level, wildfire preparedness is indeed worse now than when Trump left office. The reason is quite simple: the feds don't pay firefighters enough so the feds can't fill positions. The number of Hotshot crews is down, the number of type 2 crews is way down, and the number of management teams is down. Contrary to the endless blather coming out of the rightwing propaganda mills, federal compensation has fallen well behind inflation. Add housing inflation in the mountain west and the hiring situation gets much worse. If one is determined to be a wildland firefighter, one is much better off working for Cal Fire.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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From the article the 3 main storage tanks that service the upper Palisade area held 1 Million Gallons each. This reservoir had a full capacity of 117 Million gallons, not that it would have been full at the time of fire if it was in service. However it isn't much of stretch to think even with the reservoir at 1/4 full a additional 30 Million gallons at elevation in reserve would have made some difference in keeping the Hydrants flowing. The reservoir needed to be fixed because without it's cover, the water wouldn't have been drinkable so they had to take reservoir offline and this time of the year when demand is the lowest would have been the time to do it.
The article isn't clear. But the term reservoir implies this is pre-treated water. But later they are definitely speaking about it like it is potable. However, the guy from the city at the end said even if it had been in operation it wouldn't have been very full. Water systems generally only store a few days worth of treated water because it'll go bad.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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A likely aggravating factor in the system getting depressurized was that so many homes burnt down resulting in massive leakage. I believe this also happened in Lahaina.
Water systems should start being designed with remote activated shut offs at the meter and critical branches. This happened in Oklahoma when there is a fire, everyone turns on their sprinklers and the water pressure drops like a rock.
 

akenbennu

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Jul 24, 2005
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A likely aggravating factor in the system getting depressurized was that so many homes burnt down resulting in massive leakage. I believe this also happened in Lahaina.
I believe the system is designed to handle a couple of structure fires and maybe a large complex at a time. It isn't built to handle entire neighborhoods burning from what I've seen. So many hydrants in use at the same time killed the water pressure and made it all worthless.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Funny I don't remember any of this talk when wildfires burned down Gatlinburg, Tenn.
MTG thinks Biden caused the hurricanes that whipped Florida in 2024. Well, 2025-2028 should be no-cane smooth sailing in Flarida and the Gulf of America.
 

Brovane

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Dec 18, 2001
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The article isn't clear. But the term reservoir implies this is pre-treated water. But later they are definitely speaking about it like it is potable. However, the guy from the city at the end said even if it had been in operation it wouldn't have been very full. Water systems generally only store a few days worth of treated water because it'll go bad.

Even 10% full you would have 11 Million Gallons of water at elevation. Compared to the 3 Million gallons of water that was available during the fire. Looking at the math, I am having a hard coming to the conclusion that it wouldn't have made a difference even not very full. Just nobody that works for the LADWP wants to come out and say it. I really don't blame them that the reservoir was offline. The reservoir needed to be fixed and this is the time of the year to do this work.
 
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Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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This is one thing I don't understand about climate change. I would think the pacific getting warmer would result in more moist air in SoCal. I actually sat next to a climate researcher of a flight once and I asked him about it, and he told me the models showed it would result in less moisture in the summer and more in the winter, but he didn't explain the mechanism to me. I believe him, I just don't understand the reason.

On Google News there are similar by searching La Niña
 

SteveGrabowski

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Unexpected/seemingly strange changes to localized regions are usually caused by very large, sweeping changes in the upper layers of the atmosphere, creating dramatic shifts all over. One of the biggest examples is the breakdown of the polar vortex. Warming temperatures creates perturbations in the flow of air around the arctic, which in turn causes the air flow to change, slow down, and leak out, which in turn leads to supercooled air leaking out southward, namely into the canada/northern US, causing the extreme winter temperature shifts we've been seeing occur more and more often.

The next big one will be the breakdown of the NAC. UK is gonna turn into Canada.
Oh man it was fun explaining to my Trump loving relatives how global warming led to our freeze in Texas in 2021 from the polar vortex slipping basically to the Mexican border.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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This is such a great example of how Democrats are held to a much higher standard than Republicans. Trump disbanded the pandemic response team that his predecessor put in place and subsequently bungled the response to COVID, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths. You voted for him two more times after that, along with just about everyone currently blaming California Democrats for this wildfire. You are a clown of epic proportions.
The death count was at least a million by the time the nazi left office.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
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Oh man it was fun explaining to my Trump loving relatives how global warming led to our freeze in Texas in 2021 from the polar vortex slipping basically to the Mexican border.
It’s no fun finding out that knowing things rather than just just assuming one is naturally gifted with a capacity to know whatever one happens to want to believe is the truth actually is requires real effort put into learning.

Conservatives specialize in not seeing their beliefs are all about saving face. Nobody trying to save face likes that exposed. Ego is there to deny feelings of inferiority. Once you get an ego you’re fucked. After that it’s all about denying the real issue.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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My friends just lost their entire home & everything in it. I sure hope that insurance doesn't give them hassle. Their family & pets made it out safely, thankfully.

Nursing homes evacuated:



Before & after satellite photo:



 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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My friends just lost their entire home & everything in it. I sure hope that insurance doesn't give them hassle. Their family & pets made it out safely, thankfully.

Nursing homes evacuated:

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Before & after satellite photo:

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I hope insurance covers it. According to the Trump party, this fire destruction was caused by dei.

It's not like we couldn't see that coming. Anybody who voted for the Trump party knows exactly what they were supporting.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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I hope insurance covers it. According to the Trump party, this fire destruction was caused by dei.

It's not like we couldn't see that coming. Anybody who voted for the Trump party knows exactly what they were supporting.


What did the Republicans and /or Trump have to do with the LA California fires.

The state is a Democrat stronghold, for now anyway...
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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What did the Republicans and /or Trump have to do with the LA California fires.

The state is a Democrat stronghold, for now anyway...
Oh my God, not only are you a trump party scumbag you're also really fucking stupid. If someone feels like explaining this very simple thing to you they can go ahead.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Oct 20, 2014
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To be fair, Trump shouldn't get the blame for all or even the majority of those deaths.
The hell he shouldn't, treating the pandemic like a public relations problem rather than a health emergency like nations such as South Korea and Japan that were run by responsible adults did.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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To be fair, Trump shouldn't get the blame for all or even the majority of those deaths.

The last study I saw put something like 400k of the deaths as a result of policies/choices/etc from the administration.
 
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