Call of Duty: Black Ops

[BD2003]

I'm not at all saying it will make or break. You can do fine with most weapons, but that doesn't take away from the fact that some are strictly better than others, and that poor game design, plain and simple.

All I'm saying is that it didn't need to be that way, and the game suffers for that. Some people care, some people don't. That much is obvious.

 

[Kabob]

Just remembered you had a great shot last night on Havana when the dude was diving onto B. I unloaded half a magazine into his dead body since I didn't realize you killed him before he touched the ground.

Yeah, that wasn't expected, where's my challenge for killing an enemy in mid-air!?!? Wait, that was the IW games.

 

[Tek_Ed]

Weapons do not a player make. Or whatever that oddball term is.

Being consistent with the right weaponry actually will make a better player. Getting plenty of practise with one weapon will ensure you have better odds winning in a 1 on 1 with someone who is using a weapon not practised with as much.

Therefore, by using statistically the best weapon, repeatedly, you would become a better player than someone who switches weapons all the time. Before you say it, individual differences are of course important, but you stated 'Weapons do not a player make', when actually, in more ways than one, they do..

Scientifically speaking, player ability will increase the most when the learning cycle is executed correctly, with the minimum amount of distraction. Therefore, using only one gun, which is favourable over others in the same class throughout the player development stages, would be the best way to improve the performance of a player.

 

[PimpJuice]

Meh, I can't convert 'em all. Buc has been running the M14 like crazy lately.

I tried it yesterday for a few games. I didn't find it superior to the M16 though so I didn't stay with it. I'll give it another try when theres a contract for it. Its definitely not a bad gun, just not my style.

I did get a few nice kills on you on cracked though, muahaha!

 

[Kabob]

The Domination game on cracked where we beat your team like 200-80? Yeah, I was suuuuure feeling it!

Although maybe it was a different one, I swear I've played that, Jungle, Radiation, and Array like 500 times in the past few days and I've only seen Nuke Town once.

 

[PimpJuice]

The Domination game on cracked where we beat your team like 200-80? Yeah, I was suuuuure feeling it!

Although maybe it was a different one, I swear I've played that, Jungle, Radiation, and Array like 500 times in the past few days and I've only seen Nuke Town once.

It was Deathmatch on Cracked and yeah you guys kicked our ass. The next game was Domination on Jungle and again you guys kicked our ass, but my small victory was killing you a few times I left the room right after that lol.

 

[Kabob]

Ya know, I was editing my playercard and checked my "last 5 games KDR" in passing and I don't think I felt too bad about you killing

 

[PimpJuice]

Ya know, I was editing my playercard and checked my "last 5 games KDR" in passing and I don't think I felt too bad about you killing

Its not about you feeling bad, its about me feeling good

 

[Kabob]

And I quote an angry 12 year old who we destroyed the other day: "Oh yeah, you think you're so good I dare you to 1v1 me!"

We laughed at him so hard...he was upset because on TDM he went something like 5-21 and thought he was somehow awesome...

 

[sygyzy]

Wow played with ATOT gang last night for the first time and I will say one thing, it really raises your win ratio. We were 8-1 and 8 is now my longest win streak. It was 2 before, LOL.

Sorry about (possibly) causing the network issues. The game kept acting really weird in the lobby and my 360 kept quitting then rejoining. Odd.

I am sort of surprised there isn't as much talking during the matches as I expect. When I play with a friend (rarely since I usually play alone online), we are calling out flag captures, spawn points, mortar drops, etc nonstop. I guess everyone here is good enough it doesn't matter?

 

[Kabob]

If you're talking about the guys you and I played with that was mostly AVS guys, Buc being the exception. It was really quiet last night, ususally it's surprisingly loud although many of those guys in-game last night I rarely play with. If you're with PJ, Jammy, Dubbin, Meow, Daekwan, etc it's quite loud...and hillarious.

 

[dougp]

If you're talking about the guys you and I played with that was mostly AVS guys, Buc being the exception. It was really quiet last night, ususally it's surprisingly loud although many of those guys in-game last night I rarely play with. If you're with PJ, Jammy, Dubbin, Meow, Daekwan, etc it's quite loud...and hillarious.

If you've never gamed with Daekwan, you need to - he is a riot. I think he had me laughing so hard, my ratio got all jacked up.

 

[Malak]

So what are you saying then, that someone can magically make a inferior weapon better by the way they hold the controller? Or that using a inferior weapon is an advantage in some roundabout way?

I'm honestly struggling to understand this POV. Why wouldn't everyone want it so all weapons are viable in some way? How is the presence of mathematically strictly better weapons a good thing, or at worst an irrelevant thing?

If all the weapons were the same, there'd be no point in having multiple weapons to begin with. The point to the variety is that despite you thinking that a gun can be mathematically inferior to others, none of them actually can be analyzed that way. It's all in how you use the gun and how it works for you.

I spent my entire first go at the game using every single gun in the game. I tried various attachments, various perks. I found what works for me the majority of the time, which is not some cookie cutter BS like you seem to think everyone does. My friend does amazing with the AK74, something I can't do. But I can do amazing with the M16, and he can't. The M16, despite being a starter weapon, isn't even that popular and for no reason other than people don't like it. I enjoy it and find it to be one of the best guns in the game, same way I felt in MW2.

Now, in MW2 a lot of people used the UMP for good reason. It was clearly superior to most guns. While some might think the AK74 will be the new UMP, it isn't.

 

[bucwylde23]

If you're talking about the guys you and I played with that was mostly AVS guys, Buc being the exception. It was really quiet last night, ususally it's surprisingly loud although many of those guys in-game last night I rarely play with. If you're with PJ, Jammy, Dubbin, Meow, Daekwan, etc it's quite loud...and hillarious.

Yeah normally those guys talk a lot but last night it was a few guys that I don't think I've ever played with before that were much more quiet. I don't always talk a lot myself, but I do when it's necessary

 

[Kabob]

If you've never gamed with Daekwan, you need to - he is a riot. I think he had me laughing so hard, my ratio got all jacked up.

Yeah, he's awesome. When you've got he, Dre, Thanos, and DocBlizzy (all loud and love to talk smack) it gets hillarious.

Yeah normally those guys talk a lot but last night it was a few guys that I don't think I've ever played with before that were much more quiet. I don't always talk a lot myself, but I do when it's necessary

Yeah, last night there were alot of guys who don't play with each other much.

 

[JoPh]

so i decided that im going to try and use irons now.. im still getting use to them but so far the irons on the commando are pretty good.. and im still trying the m14 irons out.. not to shabby.

also ive notice on TDM motion sensor is pretty good on the smaller maps when u try to hold down an area. ..


man im missing the party on the 360.. the avs guys were great in reach..

 

[velillen]

so i decided that im going to try and use irons now.. im still getting use to them but so far the irons on the commando are pretty good.. and im still trying the m14 irons out.. not to shabby.

i rather disliked the iron sights on the m14. just couldnt get used to them. With the RDS its fine but meh. The ive actually been preferring the FAL over the m14. I just find it easier to handle i guess and like the iron sight better. I used the RDS pretty much all through MW2 and it takes some time an dpatience but you do get used to the iron sights. i havent used the RDS except on occasion and with the m14.

also ive notice on TDM motion sensor is pretty good on the smaller maps when u try to hold down an area. ..

I go pretty much 50/50 on using motion vs claymore. Motion is awesome in demolition. hide it a bit and you can hold down an area quite well. TDM i find player spawning and paths can change a bit much. So in objective games ive been using the motion sensor and TDM the claymores really.

Kind of funny since i didnt even consider motion sensors till i had to use them for hacker pro. Once i started using it i feel in love with it Its like a free mini spyplane for yourself

 

[Kabob]

so i decided that im going to try and use irons now.. im still getting use to them but so far the irons on the commando are pretty good.. and im still trying the m14 irons out.. not to shabby.

also ive notice on TDM motion sensor is pretty good on the smaller maps when u try to hold down an area. ..

man im missing the party on the 360.. the avs guys were great in reach..

Unless the iron sights are truly terribly (on most weapons they aren't) I use 'em.

Yeah, you're missing out on the Black Ops goodness with the AVS guys. We had a good group last night, Buc and Hopeless joined in.

So, I played two games this morning before work and both were on Nuketown (which is showing up less and less often ). I had the ultimate revenge kill. I threw down all 3 of my care packages and swapped the sentry to mortars and right then we swapped spawns and I got killed. I instantly called in my mortars on on top of my care packages and...BOOM! 4 man multikill! Not only that, it was before they could capture them so I ran back and got both packages!

I actually used the M16 this morning, I liked it more than last time I tried it but I still enjoy using the M14 more. I seem to eat through ammo too quickly with it.

 

[JoPh]

any tips on Sleight of Hand Pro ... im stuck on the last one where u have to finish of somone and hurting them and reloading?

 

[Kabob]

Last stand. Down them, get to cover to reload, finish them off.

 

[dougp]

any tips on Sleight of Hand Pro ... im stuck on the last one where u have to finish of somone and hurting them and reloading?

I used a shotgun, or just ran around shooting someone, reloading real quick and killing them. You can also damage them with a grenade, reload and then shoot - I think I got one kill like that.

 

[Hopeless]

Yeah, you're missing out on the Black Ops goodness with the AVS guys. We had a good group last night, Buc and Hopeless joined in.

Good gaming with you. Man Deak is a goof & I mean that in a good way. Most of the time I kinda tune out the chit-chat from people & focus on the game, but he had me laughing quite a bit last night.

 

[Kabob]

I ♥ Daekwan...in a manly, non-fruity way of course.

 

[Hopeless]

Now that I've got a few guns unlocked I started looking at the gun chart.


There are somethings on it I'm not sure about:

Under recoil there are two arrows pointing at a circle with a + in it followed by a number.

Under ammo: Empty & ADD

Under speed I'm guessing that raise & drop is how long it takes to raise it to shoot and drop it to start moving.

 

[digiram]

I used a shotgun, or just ran around shooting someone, reloading real quick and killing them. You can also damage them with a grenade, reload and then shoot - I think I got one kill like that.

What doug said or there's also plenty of landstand folks. Reload before finishing them off.