Call of Duty: Black Ops

[bucwylde23]

I dunno. I thought WAW was fine, though I still haven't finished the SP or even player the MP. Zombies FTW too. Heh

W@W was a lot of fun, the spawns were just fucked up and there was no reason to include tanks in the game. Otherwise it was a good game IMO.

 

[Kabob]

You guys must be crazy, CoD 3 and W@W were both atrocious and it has everything to do with who developed them. Treyarch took what IW did and tried to apply it to their game, it just didn't work. I'm thinking that with BO though for the first time they did alot of the actual developing from scratch so hopefully it'll translate into a better game.

 

[JoPh]

i enjoyed w@w.. i just got tired of ww2 stuff.. there was nothing really wrong with w@w

 

[swerus]

Also thought W@W was a great game. Just preorded BO on Amazon for $55 delivered on release day.

 

[fatpat268]

I'm thinking about preordering the game, but I'm seriously bummed by the lack of preorder offers from amazon. I mean, last year Amazon gave back $20 just for ordering the game.

Hopefully they'll tack on a $10 preorder offer.

 

[JoPh]

they had the 20 preorder bonus earlier on.. then they took it away.

 

[Zargon]

You guys must be crazy, CoD 3 and W@W were both atrocious and it has everything to do with who developed them. Treyarch took what IW did and tried to apply it to their game, it just didn't work. I'm thinking that with BO though for the first time they did alot of the actual developing from scratch so hopefully it'll translate into a better game.

that real length campaign in W@W was just awful. and the coop was just awful.

by that I mean they were tons of fun, and so was zombie mode.

MP had bad spawn issues, and the patching was a nightmare. But sorry dude, plenty of people loved that game

 

[fbrdphreak]

You guys must be crazy, CoD 3 and W@W were both atrocious and it has everything to do with who developed them. Treyarch took what IW did and tried to apply it to their game, it just didn't work.

I have yet to hear your actual problems with the game

 

[Kabob]

MP had bad spawn issues, and the patching was a nightmare. But sorry dude, plenty of people loved that game

I never said nobody liked the game, I (and most of the guys I play with) just didn't like it.

I have yet to hear your actual problems with the game

-Enemy at the Gates ripoff campaign
-Boring story
-Boring/unrealistic weapons (lasers, suppressors, "dot" sights?)
-Blurred textures
-MP/SP are comprised of running from choke point to choke point
-Attack dogs...
-Tanks

CoD 3 was even worse, but it's been so long since I played it I can't remember all my gripes.

Like I said, Black Ops is shaping up to be alot better than Treyarch's other games, but thus far they've just never put the effort into making a truly stellar game that IW has.

 

[Beev]

thus far they've just never put the effort into making a truly stellar game that IW has.

This. I don't think W@W is a terrible game. It's just one that I wouldn't spend any money on at all, and so far that is my stance with Black Ops. I haven't seen a single thing that makes me want it at all.

 

[fatpat268]

-MP/SP are comprised of running from choke point to choke point

Honestly, a lot of games have this issue lately, a lot more than in the past.

One of the most recent offenders is Halo Reach, imo. A good majority of the maps in Reach have one primary hallway where 75% of the killing is done. I don't ever remember stuff like that in the past.

Hopefully treyarch will figure out map design to prevent that.

 

[Kabob]

Honestly, a lot of games have this issue lately, a lot more than in the past.

One of the most recent offenders is Halo Reach, imo. A good majority of the maps in Reach have one primary hallway where 75% of the killing is done. I don't ever remember stuff like that in the past.

Hopefully treyarch will figure out map design to prevent that.

True, Reach is similar, but the game mechanics actually lend it to that play style (taking alot longer to kill an enemy). In BO it's "Grenade...3 kills. Grenade...2 kills."

Although I think the worst offender EVER for choke points is Vacant from MW2...ridiculous.

 

[RavenSEAL]

Here is the difference between Black Ops and MW2...Black Ops isn't being rushed...They've been working on it since finishing up WaW.

 

[Kabob]

Was MW2 rushed? I thought they started it right after CoD 4. Although W@W was rushed, they started it after CoD 4 using the same engine and such.

 

[RavenSEAL]

Was MW2 rushed? I thought they started it right after CoD 4. Although W@W was rushed, they started it after CoD 4 using the same engine and such.

Yea, they had like a year and a half to cram as much as they could into the game and just throw it out.

Tryarch technically had about 2-3 years on Black Ops from where the game entered the pre-production state.

At least that's what i read somewhere.

 

[Kabob]

Yeah, those numbers bode well for BO.

 

[ciproxr]

I didn't like WaW, so that's where my basis comes from. Also, by your logic no one knows if BO will be any good at all . It could be worse than CoD 3

and thats correct, but im willing to try it before i say it sucks

 

[ciproxr]

I think the excitement really ramped up after the multiplayer reveal, and they showed that they're bringing much more to the table than a carbon copy of the last IW game like world at war was. Stuff like the theater mode, wager match, currency and customization havent been done before in the series. And thats all on top of guns, maps, weapons and perks that we expect with each new installment. There was absolutely NOTHING worthwhile in WaW or CoD 3 that hadnt been done before and better by IW.

I have absolutely no problem with the annualization of the series. There really is a lot to the sports game comparison, but that only a loose comparison, because so much more changes between each version for CoD. Football stays football every year, but the game literally changes far more for CoD.

And the reason I believe CoD is still so popular is not because of anything you can list, but that intangible feeling of a CoD game that few others can replicate. The way the interface is so fast, the way you can get into a game before most other games are even done loading. The super addicting XP system. The ultra responsive 60 fps, the way if you put your sights on an enemy and fire it will hit, even when youre shooting at 1200rpm. Those who get into CoD MP big time really get their moneys worth - that $60 a year is negligible for the amount of entertainment you get for your dollar, and I'm psyched theyre putting one out every year instead of being forced to wait 2+ for each.

And if you dont dig the new version, no biggie....there's still thousands upon thousands playing the last few installments for years to come.

couldnt have said it better myself.

 

[fbrdphreak]

-Enemy at the Gates ripoff campaign
-Boring story
-Boring/unrealistic weapons (lasers, suppressors, "dot" sights?)
-Blurred textures
-MP/SP are comprised of running from choke point to choke point
-Attack dogs...
-Tanks

Fair points. I like the variety of weapons, but haven't encountered any lasers or anything unrealistic in the campaign yet. Are those in MP?

Many aspects of the MW2 campaign were running from choke point to choke point as well; except for the handful of low-key sniper missions. Though I've yet to encounter anything EXCEPT the major battle to major battle flow in WAW. Reminds me of GOW2 actually.

 

[Kabob]

Laser gun is in the early "beach assault" mission and on nazi zombies.

 

[bucwylde23]

Laser gun is in the early "beach assault" mission and on nazi zombies.

ahh, i didn't know what you were talking about but I googled it. When I played nazi zombies it was always referred to as the ray gun. I didn't even see that laser gun in the campaign, so I'm guessing there was a trick to obtain it.

 

[foghorn67]

bummer. I'll be in the middle of a 2 week business trip when this is released. FML.

 

[Zargon]

I never said nobody liked the game, I (and most of the guys I play with) just didn't like it.



-Enemy at the Gates ripoff campaign
-Boring story
-Boring/unrealistic weapons (lasers, suppressors, "dot" sights?)
-Blurred textures
-MP/SP are comprised of running from choke point to choke point
-Attack dogs...
-Tanks

CoD 3 was even worse, but it's been so long since I played it I can't remember all my gripes.

Like I said, Black Ops is shaping up to be alot better than Treyarch's other games, but thus far they've just never put the effort into making a truly stellar game that IW has.

LOL did you just say suppressors were unrealistic back then?

rofl......the lazers we obviously a teaser part of the game

I never played COD3

bummer. I'll be in the middle of a 2 week business trip when this is released. FML.

I feel you, I have a huge project I want to finish before the end of that week, and I am out of town the whole next week for work

 

[Kabob]

LOL did you just say suppressors were unrealistic back then?

Oh sure, they had basic suppressor for pistols at the time but the technology to suppress an SMG/LMG didn't exist.

 

[Kabob]

A heads up for anyone who pre-ordered the game from Amazon. While they've taken away their $20 pre-order credit, several guys from AVS have had luck just getting in touch with their Customer Service and asking for said credit and having the $20 taken right off the top of Black Ops. They did this for me when I called with a legit reason for them to do so, and a few others decided to give it a whirl and (to the best of my knowledge) most have had success.