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zinfamous

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You would be incorrect. The general rule of thumb is 20 minutes per pound at 225. The OP's got an 8 pound butt which puts it at 2 hours 40 minutes for medium rare. Given that most people like it well done (165 F), five to six hours is just fine.

You are not going to be achieving BBQ pulled pork in 2hrs 40min @ 225F. The weight doesn't really matter here, as there simply isn't enough time/temperature to break down connective tissues. BBQ pork is about breaking down the grisly bits more than it is about doneness of the meat.
 
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zinfamous

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Considering it's what I've done for a living for the last 40 odd years, I'll go with my own trained experience. The time required for home use cuts and smaller consumer based smokers is less than mass quantities in commercial units. The Chef has spoken. So, let it be written. So, let it be done.

This chef that is speaking seems to disregard quantifiable laws of nature. It's pretty clear that you don't know what you are talking about here.
 
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Fritzo

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I'd give you step by step, but I'm constrained on time right now

*FRITZO* <--- Pitmaster and Medal Holding Barbeque Master
 
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Jeeebus

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best advice any of us can give is ulgrade from a
it's cool, THE CHEF has already spoken. There is nothing else for you to bring to the table.

Hey now... he's got 40 years experience talking out of his ass on subjects that he knows nothing about. Let's show him a little respect.
 
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Fritzo

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OK, have time now. If you want real, authentic, down-south BBQed pork shoulder, do this the day before:

1. Slather: rub your shoulder down with a thin coat of yellow mustard (any stadium-type smooth yellow mustard will do. Don't use deli mustard).
2. Coat with a rub. You can buy a BBQ rub, or make your own. I make a standard rub for pork with:
  • 1/4 cup sweet paprika
  • 1/4 cup garlic powder
  • 1/4 cup chili powder
  • 3 tablespoons salt
  • 3 tablespoons black pepper
  • 2 tablespoons onion powder
  • 2 tablespoons ginger
  • 2 tablespoons brown sugar
  • 1 tablespoon thyme
  • 1 tablespoon cumin
  • 2 teaspoons dry mustard
  • 1 teaspoon rosemary
(Try not to vary too much- this is a proven recipe. Once you try it, feel free to add/subtract from the ingredients to adjust flavors to your preference.)

3. Massage the rub into the pork thoroughly.
4. Optional: Injection! You can get a Stubbs injection kit for $5 at WalMart. Use it to inject the flavor you're going for. I like to inject a mixture of 1/2 beef broth and 1/2 worcestershire. Inject about every 1" or so on both sides of the shoulder.
5. Wrap tightly in plastic and let it sit overnight.

Cooking

Plan on 8-10 hours of cook time. You want your smoker/grill/whatever at 225F. Don't let it get over 275F or the sugar in your rub will start to burn. A good wireless thermometer comes in really handy here (especially if you want to cook overnight).

You'll want some seasoned wood for flavor. Hickory is my favorite, but fruitwoods work well too. Add some DRY wood to your coals about 10 minutes before putting your meat on ( a handful or two is plenty). You want the wood to burn a bit to get a light bluish-white smoke- this is called 'sweet smoke' and is what gives BBQed food it's flavor. Gray smoke gives a campfire taste and is caused by moisture burning off in the wood. You want to avoid that. I also add a foil pan under the cool surface with 1/2 apple juice and 1/2 water to keep things moist.

Once you got your smoke going, add your meat COLD. Cold meat attracts smoke. Once the outside is cooked, your meat has no more ability to absorb smoke flavor. Add your meat and seal the grill up. Do not open it other than to regulate temperature.

Once the meat his 160F or so, you'll experience what's called "the stall". At 160F, an issue with thermal pressure and steam pressure comes into play, causing the meat to stay here for hours. If you can cook the full 8-12 hours, just wait it out. If you're in a hurry, you can cheat by doing a "Texas crutch", which is essentially wrapping the meat tightly in heavy foil. This forces the temperature up, but you sacrifice the crunch "bark" on the outside of the shoulder that a lot of people desire.

Your goal is to get the internal temperature to 200F. At 202F, the collegen in the pork will liquify, giving you that "pot roast" fall-apart consistency. They outside of the pork should be brownish black- this is perfectly normal and desirable:




Wrap the shoulder up tightly and put it in a cooler for 1-2 hours. This lets everything reconstitute (plus you don't burn the hell out of your fingers when processing it!). Don't worry- it will stay hot.

To prepare: Pull the t-bone out...it should just slide right out. Then, tear the meat up with your hands, or use bear claws (what I use):


Your goal here is to get that crunchy bark mixed in to the center meat, giving a uniform smokey flavor throughout. Serve with your favorite BBQ sauce (or make your own---I can help you with that too . This goes will on onion rolls or just by itself. One of my favorites!

Here's a couple of butts I did last weekend:

 
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NetWareHead

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Once you got your smoke going, add your meat COLD. Cold meat attracts smoke. Once the outside is cooked, your meat has no more ability to absorb smoke flavor. Add your meat and seal the grill up. Do not open it other than to regulate temperature.

I also do this. Season the meat overnight and then go straight from the fridge to the smoker. However, I disagree with where you said the meat at some point loses the ability to absorb more smoke flavor. Mainly on the basis that it is possible to oversmoke food. Or think about a pork butt started on the smoker but finished in the oven. Less time in the smoker, less smoke flavor. I stop adding smoke wood anyway towards the last half of the cook; the smoke from the charcoal is enough after all the smoke wood is gone.

Once the meat his 160F or so, you'll experience what's called "the stall". At 160F, an issue with thermal pressure and steam pressure comes into play, causing the meat to stay here for hours. If you can cook the full 8-12 hours, just wait it out. If you're in a hurry, you can cheat by doing a "Texas crutch", which is essentially wrapping the meat tightly in heavy foil. This forces the temperature up, but you sacrifice the crunch "bark" on the outside of the shoulder that a lot of people desire.

A theory I heard about the stall attributes the plateau in temps due to evaporative cooling effect. As the meat gets hotter, the water content of the meat begins to evaporate from its surface. This cools the meat much the human body cools itself via sweating. This stall phase only stops when the water output of the meat eventually reduces, stopping the cooling effect. The stall was the most frustrating part of smoking for me. Ive even seen my butts drop by a few degrees temperature, rare though most of the time it just hangs around 150-160 for hours. The higher your cooking temps, the shorter the stall. If you have a water pan in the smoker, the extra humidity in the chamber makes it harder for water to evaporate from the meat, prolonging the stall.

The stall is not such a bad thing IMO (provided you have the time to wait it out). Its what creates the bark. The extra time spent in the smoke dries out the surface.
 

zinfamous

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Fritzo, great guide but I stopped at mustard. That is a cardinal sin, unless you are an inbred South Carolinian.
 
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Fritzo

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Fritzo, great guide but I stopped at mustard. That is a cardinal sin, unless you are an inbred South Carolinian.

Mustard is a slather- it's used to hold the rub on. I like it because the vinegar taste goes will with pork. You can use a lot of things for a slather- I've seen ketchup, steak sauce...even custom slathers made with thickened rootbeer. People get creative.

Mainly on the basis that it is possible to oversmoke food. Or think about a pork butt started on the smoker but finished in the oven. Less time in the smoker, less smoke flavor. I stop adding smoke wood anyway towards the last half of the cook; the smoke from the charcoal is enough after all the smoke wood is gone.

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Once the outer bark forms, unless you expose the inner meat, there's no way for it to get any smoke to it. Check out amazingribs.com - Meathead over there did a lot of scientific tests to prove or dispel a lot of classic BBQ ideas, and it changed the way I work with a lot of things. Worth a read!
 
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NetWareHead

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Once the outer bark forms, unless you expose the inner meat, there's no way for it to get any smoke to it. Check out amazingribs.com - Meathead over there did a lot of scientific tests to prove or dispel a lot of classic BBQ ideas, and it changed the way I work with a lot of things. Worth a read!

I know smoke cant get to the interior meat. Im talking about the bark which continues to pick up smoke even to the point of over smoked. Probably not so much of a big deal in pulled pork where the over smoked bits will get pulled, mixed up with the inside meat and even out the flavor. But I can see this being a problem with something like ribs where the the meat to bark ratio is in the opposite direction. Yes, amazingribs is a great site. Learned a ton from them and love the scientific approach they take to smoking.
 

MongGrel

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Bought a small one the other day, $1.99 a pound seemed pretty good.

Need to start prepping it



Think I'll inject it, is one of my usual MO's *goes into mad scientist mode* Might have to look around for a different marinade mix up just to experiment. Something with hot sauce in it perhaps, I have enough sitting around and made one the wife loved last time.



The little cheapo injectors are about as easy to use to be honest, have a couple left over Cajun Injectors that just come with their stuff. Still mix up my own these days. They work better if not injecting anything like bits of pepper in.

 
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Jeeebus

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got two pork butts for $1.29/lb. Smoking tomorrow. Also injecting. Guess I'll figure out the rub tonight.
 
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MongGrel

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I'll rub my butt in the morning, I just injected it and wrapped it in saran and shoved it in the fridge

Been fishing much lately ? I miss it myself and rarely do it on this side these days.
 

ponyo

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I'm smoking some ribs and chicken breasts tomorrow. The rub will go on right before I put it in the smoker. I'm not into overnight rubbing.
 
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Jeeebus

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I'll rub my butt in the morning, I just injected it and wrapped it in saran and shoved it in the fridge

Been fishing much lately ? I miss it myself and rarely do it on this side these days.

haven't been out in a month or two. buddy has been getting his boat refurbished and it is taking forever.
 

Jeeebus

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Finished product - was gonna do an overnight smoke but got lazy and did the high heat method. Butts on the smoker at 9am, off around 1:30 p.m. Ate them a couple hours later and still piping hot.

 
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MongGrel

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It's been raining over here most of the day.

I think I'll just let the marinade work on mine another day in the fridge.

I wasn't in the mood to grill in the rain.
 

Fritzo

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It's been raining over here most of the day.

I think I'll just let the marinade work on mine another day in the fridge.

I wasn't in the mood to grill in the rain.

A BBQers secret is smoking meat in the rain it actually a plus The humidity in the air keeps things moist. The only trouble is keeping temperature
 

MongGrel

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It's humid in FL in the summer every day of course I did stick a pan of water in the bottom middle of the Weber though and rubbed it and finally got it going. I usually put the charcoal in the wings on the sides.

Seems pretty nominal right now, but will have to watch it now and then.

I'm not worried about the alert much, leaving it off and just watching it.

 
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