Can we finally put Trump and the GOP's persistent voter fraud claims to bed please?

[woolfe9998]

Damn, I missed this little gem from a few days back.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...nt-evidence-call-elections-rigged-fraudulent/

The thing about this is, it isn't just another story about a republican criticizing or disagreeing with Trump. It's not just that he's saying that all these voter fraud allegations are bullshit; it's that he knows they are. And why.

Well known GOP lawyer Ben Ginsberg who has worked on every federal election in decades with the republicans, except 2016. His role was to gather and analyze evidence of voter fraud, as part of a major effort by the GOP to do so every election cycle. He's literally saying that Republican's own extensive data proves there is no significant voter fraud. Money quote:

Legions of Republican lawyers have searched in vain over four decades for fraudulent double voting.

Read the whole editorial. If you didn't catch it a few days back, it's worth it.

 

[A///]

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They're so damn predictable. Always have been. Anything they say they've done themselves and presume others do, too.

 

[trenchfoot]

Thing is the Repubs don't have to prove a gosh darn thing as far as voter fraud is concerned because anything, and I do mean anything that comes out of the GOP Ministry of Propaganda no matter how ludicrous, how laughable it is when it comes to branding the Dems as unholy sub-humans who will bring the nation to its knees and transform it into hell on earth will be considered as gospel simply because their rank and file followers are trained to have a chronic habitual need to be scared, to be hateful of their lifelong enemies here at home that would, as impossible as it is, take their America away from them and turn it into a third world shithole full of liberal socialists who are "known to be murdering rapists and baby killers".

Divide and Conquer is the principle that the Repub Party has been operating under long before Trump made it his trademark SOP. He and the party he leads have been pushing so hard on creating false narratives of how different he and his followers are from his/their enemies when he and they should have been singing praises of how similar we Americans are in the way of national pride, love of country and how we would fiercely defend our nation against all enemies who would try to defeat us.

It seems Trump and his base feel they are the only real Americans that are concerned about keeping our nation safe and secure while totally ignoring how Trump is so protective of and enamored with our nation's most formidable adversary in the form of Vlad Putin.

 

[hal2kilo]

Except for the fact at a rally last night he said, to paraphrase, The mean Democrats had the nerve to show a campaign ad with him standing at a grave in Arlington Cemetery saying horrible things. Well now the gloves are off, the first thing I will declare is that the Democrats are rigging the election. That was no shit.

 

[DesiPower]

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

 

[nickqt]

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

Here's a breakdown of big scary numbers.

Analysis: Heritage Foundation's Database Undermines Claims of Recent Voter Fraud

Brennan Center findings dismantle a key resource that Trump’s “Election Integrity” Commission relies on to justify baseless claims — by President Trump and some of the panel’s members — of rampant voter fraud.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[ElFenix]

we discussed this last week

 

[woolfe9998]

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

You should probably look more closely at your own link. Heritage Foundation found 1296 cases of "proven voter fraud" in what they dishonestly title "a sampling of recent election fraud cases from across the United States." yet their list goes back to 1982. This is all elections, by the way: federal, state and local, in the entire country. Billions of total votes in those elections.

If you have any sense of scale and, you know, math, you'd instantly realize how utterly insignificant this finding is. Worse, it's positive proof that there is no serious problem with voter fraud in the United States.

From the editorial I cited which you clearly didn't read or you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself by linking this:

The Heritage Foundation Election Fraud Database has compiled every instance of any kind of voter fraud it could find since 1982. It contains 1,296 incidents, a minuscule percentage of the votes cast. A study of results in three states where all voters are mailed actual ballots, a practice at the apex of the president’s outrage, found just 372 possible cases of illegal voting of 14.6 million cast in the 2016 and 2018 general elections — 0.0025 percent.

Didn't need your link. It was already in the editorial as it proves his point.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Here's a breakdown of big scary numbers.

Analysis: Heritage Foundation's Database Undermines Claims of Recent Voter Fraud

Brennan Center findings dismantle a key resource that Trump’s “Election Integrity” Commission relies on to justify baseless claims — by President Trump and some of the panel’s members — of rampant voter fraud.

www.brennancenter.org

Even if you took all 1100 cases as being absolute truth, 1100 out of 1+ billion ballots is literally a 1 in 1 million rate of fraudulent voting.

Pretty damn good.

 

[woolfe9998]

Here's a breakdown of big scary numbers.

Analysis: Heritage Foundation's Database Undermines Claims of Recent Voter Fraud

Brennan Center findings dismantle a key resource that Trump’s “Election Integrity” Commission relies on to justify baseless claims — by President Trump and some of the panel’s members — of rampant voter fraud.

www.brennancenter.org

In reviewing billions of votes cast, the Heritage Foundation identified just 10 cases involving in-person impersonation fraud at the polls (fewer than the number of members on the president’s Commission).

So that's what all these voter ID laws are about, preventing that one fraudulent vote every 4 years in all our elections combined.

 

[zinfamous]

So that's what all these voter ID laws are about, preventing that one fraudulent vote every 4 years in all our elections combined.

yep, these people are brainless. Look at how he just posted a piece from the Heritage Foundation (lol--The Heritage Foundation! ), that basically shows how insignificant this issue is, without commenting, as if it somehow supports his complaint all on its own.

It shows how easily conservative brains are duped by the basest of statistical manipulation. hell, here nothing was really manipulated. All they said was "Voting fraud bad and serious!" presented numbers that clearly showed the opposite, but knew that their rube followers wouldn't bother with the numbers, so whatever.

Bold, preposterous lies spread. It's all they exist for.

 

[Jhhnn]

The GOP will never give up the voter fraud smear against Dems. That's really what it is. They're cheaters! It's a belief that requires no proof whatsoever & withstands all proof to the contrary. It's even better than Birtherism because they can use it in perpetuity.

 

[senseamp]

He is inducing his voters to commit a felony of voting twice, punishable by 5 years in prison as a federal crime, and possibly more at state level.

 

[soundforbjt]

A year old but still is the truth today.

American elections ranked worst among Western democracies. Here’s why.

(The Conversation is an independent and nonprofit source of news, analysis and commentary from academic experts.) Pippa Norris , Harvard Kennedy School (THE CONVERSATION) The world is currently transfixed by the spectacle of American elections.

apnews.com

 

[brycejones]

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

Use your words........

 

[Saylick]

Republicans: We CANNOT allow even 1 fraudulent vote to slip through the hundreds of millions of ballots cast! Need Voter ID!

Also Republicans: We are okay with 200,000 people dying from the coronavirus as it's less than 1% of the US population. No big deal; it is what it is.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Benghazi has barely been put down. No way voter fraud is going away anytime soon.

 

[skyking]

Benghazi has barely been put down. No way voter fraud is going away anytime soon.

Shut the front door, you'll pick it back up again!

 

[vi edit]

You can try to put it to bed. But being the toddlers they are, you're going to get woke up in the middle of the night with them crying about imaginary monsters in their closet.

 

[DesiPower]

Use your words........

Sure, voter fraud happens, its something very difficult to catch, however you see clear indications which gives a sound circumstantial evidence that its happening. If someone successfully impersonated someone and was not caught while trying to do it, then its impossible to dig up any evidence later that it happened. This article, while it does not provide concrete proof, it provides a good collection of evidence todwards the fact that voter fraud is happening.

 

[nickqt]

Sure, voter fraud happens, its something very difficult to catch, however you see clear indications which gives a sound circumstantial evidence that its happening. If someone successfully impersonated someone and was not caught while trying to do it, then its impossible to dig up any evidence later that it happened. This article, while it does not provide concrete proof, it provides a good collection of evidence todwards the fact that voter fraud is happening.

Yes, 1,200 cases of voter fraud in 1,000,000,000+ votes cast.

Very concerning.

And we know they were caught because election workers -gasp- know what they're doing...just like in every other country that has elections.

So, it happens. And not enough to affect anything substantive.

Election fraud, which can throw entire elections, also occurs. But for some reason, that's never brought up as an issue. Usually because it's Republicans getting caught for that. Go figure.

 

[zinfamous]

Sure, voter fraud happens, its something very difficult to catch, however you see clear indications which gives a sound circumstantial evidence that its happening. If someone successfully impersonated someone and was not caught while trying to do it, then its impossible to dig up any evidence later that it happened. This article, while it does not provide concrete proof, it provides a good collection of evidence todwards the fact that voter fraud is happening.

It's not even a 0.0001% issue.

so seriously, just shut the fuck about this. It doesn't exist in any mathematical significance that influences society. You're too terrified of your own shit decisions in life, so you distract yourself with invented bullshit like this--rather, you let your betters distract you with it, while they steal your wealth from your pockets and fondle your loved ones behind your back.

 

[Jhhnn]

Sure, voter fraud happens, its something very difficult to catch, however you see clear indications which gives a sound circumstantial evidence that its happening. If someone successfully impersonated someone and was not caught while trying to do it, then its impossible to dig up any evidence later that it happened. This article, while it does not provide concrete proof, it provides a good collection of evidence todwards the fact that voter fraud is happening.

Lack of proof is not proof of anything. There's no upside to in person voter fraud unless you believe there's some massive vague conspiracy, which I'm sure you do. I mean, Trump said it himself, that there were 3-5M illegal votes last time & you surely believe him, don't you?

 

[DesiPower]

Yes, 1,200 cases of voter fraud in 1,000,000,000+ votes cast.

Very concerning.

And we know they were caught because election workers -gasp- know what they're doing...just like in every other country that has elections.

So, it happens. And not enough to affect anything substantive.

Election fraud, which can throw entire elections, also occurs. But for some reason, that's never brought up as an issue. Usually because it's Republicans getting caught for that. Go figure.

True, billions of votes were cast, but most wins are with very narrow margins in a few counties, so even a very few of them matter. And even if its just one, why would anyone normalize it, why would anyone stand for any fraud at all, right or left. Its a direct attack on democracy.

 

[DesiPower]

True, billions of votes were cast, but most wins are with very narrow margins in a few counties, so even a very few of them matter. And even if its just one, why would anyone normalize it, why would anyone stand for any fraud at all, right or left. Its a direct attack on democracy. Besides i see then as smoke, its an indication that there is a fire.