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Lifer
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Aside from the financial section, I find it hard to take the National Post seriously. I had a free subscription to it for a while. Now I pay for the Globe and Mail.
 

UG

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The US already owns half of Canada.

What do we want with the lesser half?
 

Cabn

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Why does anybody even think the US would want Canada!! What do they have to offer us!!
 

Dark4ng3l

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we have tons of natural resources and the biggest concentration of oil on the planet(in alberta)
 

Cabn

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If that's the case what is Canada doing about it? Tap some of those resources and this forum wouldn't even exist
 



<< we have tons of natural resources and the biggest concentration of oil on the planet(in alberta) >>


And you cannot afford to get any of the resources out of the ground.
The US will fund that.

Its amazing that canada holds themselves in such high regard.
The main thing that canadians think is so great is that they are not like americans.
Many think they are high and mighty, above thoes grovelling idiot americans.

They rant and rave about their health care, which is actually rather poor compared to the taxes they pay for it. I never waited 6 weeks for a specialist in the states.

They love to poke at americans about guns, and how they don't have them, well yea, you have the US to the south of you, why would you need weapons? You think any country in the world is going to get near the US, let alone attack canada?

So take your canadian pride and sell it to who has all the money that you want, which is your neighbor to the south.

 

Cabn

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The tree huggers in the US won't let us tap our own oil what makes you think we would tap Canadas.
 

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<< we have tons of natural resources and the biggest concentration of oil on the planet(in alberta) >>

Heheh, the same one that one Texas oilman didn't really know much about.
 

GL

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<<

<< we have tons of natural resources and the biggest concentration of oil on the planet(in alberta) >>


And you cannot afford to get any of the resources out of the ground.
The US will fund that.

Its amazing that canada holds themselves in such high regard.
The main thing that canadians think is so great is that they are not like americans.
Many think they are high and mighty, above thoes grovelling idiot americans.

They rant and rave about their health care, which is actually rather poor compared to the taxes they pay for it. I never waited 6 weeks for a specialist in the states.

They love to poke at americans about guns, and how they don't have them, well yea, you have the US to the south of you, why would you need weapons? You think any country in the world is going to get near the US, let alone attack canada?

So take your canadian pride and sell it to who has all the money that you want, which is your neighbor to the south.
>>



Wow, have a bad experience with a Canadian girl before? Someone's a bit sensitive!
 

Soccerman

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And what about states like Hawaii... i imagine those cultures are much more different than the general Canadian culture.

Hawaii's different?

sorry if that sounds ignorant, but perhaps that would help you see our perspective.

(how would Cdns feel about giving up Queen Elizabeth on the $$$ and replacing it with Washington? Or how the hell would the Queen feel about being replaced?

well, if it was a united North America dollar, that means it is not just Canada using the US dollar.. of course, there's the chance that we just use the US dollar.

lol:

That way we could steal all of their oil and diamonds!

umm, right.. the problem with that statement, is that you would be 'stealing' all of your OWN oil and Diamonds, if the USA took Canada in.

Second, the oil fields in Alberta aren't that big, and they're hella expensive to extract the oil from (this aint no oil pump, it's digging up oil sands, and processing it.

If that's the case what is Canada doing about it? Tap some of those resources and this forum wouldn't even exist

well, we ARE using the oil fields, and making lumber.. Perhaps you should be asking the oil companies involved in the extraction (I wouldn't be surprised if some were American).

Second, if we tap the resources like you want us to, we'll end up being like Japan, with no natural resources, except that we won't even have much of an industry to import raw materials (whatever's left on the planet), and use them to create 'useful' things, becuase currently we don't really have an industry like that (that can be partly blamed on the government).

And you cannot afford to get any of the resources out of the ground.

Actually no, it's more of a companies willingness to do so. why blow it all at once, when you could keep the demand high, and supply low?

speaking of no money to harvest resources, take a look at Russia.. China probably salivates at the growing opportunity to do something about it, especially considering they have the largest ground army in the world..

Its amazing that canada holds themselves in such high regard.
The main thing that canadians think is so great is that they are not like americans.
Many think they are high and mighty, above thoes grovelling idiot americans.


no, Canadians are patriotic (otherwise they're pretty much a typical 'American'), we do not necessarily hold ourselves as better people then you. I'm sure some Canadian would have the same thing to say about an American. sorry, but stereotypes like this are pretty stupid.

Canadians like to poke fun though, because to tell you the truth, many of us are scared of losing our way of life.

Have you ever looked at the I AM CANADIAN beer commercials? they're there just to spark a little patriotism (and subsequently, sell more beer), not to necessarily make fun of Americans.

They rant and rave about their health care, which is actually rather poor compared to the taxes they pay for it. I never waited 6 weeks for a specialist in the states.

first of all, let us see how much your government is paying down your debt? Perhaps if you look at it from a per-capita basis.. I think Canadians are per capita paying more through taxes on debt reduction then Americans.

that is where much of our tax money is going right now, not health care. Health care is undergoing a restructuring (slowly but surely). funding for health care was cut back simply becuase it was getting out of control.

of course, I cannot prove this to you, without looking at statistics for long hours, (hmm.. I have to find a good website for that). I wouldn't be surprised if you were as 'uninformed' as I am.

what do you mean by a 'specialist'? your doctor? or someone like a physiotherapist?

Perhaps again you need to look at things from a different perspective. If you were fairly poor (say you made $15000 US a year), and somehow got a life threatening injury, how long do you think you would be paying off your medical bills?

So take your canadian pride and sell it to who has all the money that you want, which is your neighbor to the south.

OR, if people here were a bit smarter, they'd think of some ways to help out Canadian industry instead, and spend it here.. then at least we wouldn't be so dependant on the USA for so many things..
 



<< Wow, have a bad experience with a Canadian girl before? Someone's a bit sensitive! >>


AHha, actually my current girl is canadian.



<< first of all, let us see how much your government is paying down your debt? Perhaps if you look at it from a per-capita basis.. I think Canadians are per capita paying more through taxes on debt reduction then Americans. >>


National debt does not exist, old war debts kept alive so currency levels stay as they are. Pushing numbers, and no counrty has enough gold or precious material to cover all the numbers they are pushing. No one has proven to me that I own anybody anything.

I live about 10 mins from the canadian border, my GF is canadian, majority of my friends are canadian, I live the US/Candian relations EVERYDAY of my life.




<< Perhaps again you need to look at things from a different perspective. If you were fairly poor (say you made $15000 US a year), and somehow got a life threatening injury, how long do you think you would be paying off your medical bills? >>



If I made that type of cash, I would most likely be working full time at a chain store. Noco, Wegmans, TOps. And most likely would pay for fulltime benefits. At the 15K mark, thats pushing poverty, I would apply for medicare, and take my chances there.

Just a few months ago, the canadian &quot;army&quot; you might want to call it, was giving a $350,000 sign-up bonus for doctors. Over a quarter MILLION dollars. The health care system is hurting bad. Most of the people covered by the health care system don' live in canada. Population is estimated at 30 million in the country. And 60 million on the health care roll call. Abuse is what it reeks of.

I love canada! Good beer, cheap money, and girls that love americans
Nice places to go etc.

But canada != world power.
 

Looney

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<< And you cannot afford to get any of the resources out of the ground. >>



How idiotic a statement is this. Like any other enterprise, it's done by investments.



<< Its amazing that canada holds themselves in such high regard.
The main thing that canadians think is so great is that they are not like americans.
Many think they are high and mighty, above thoes grovelling idiot americans.
>>



LOLOL replace the word Canada with the US and that's the image the rest of the 5.x billion people on this planet see the US as.



<< They rant and rave about their health care, which is actually rather poor compared to the taxes they pay for it. I never waited 6 weeks for a specialist in the states. >>



And i never waited 6 weeks for a specialist in Canada either. Since you consider Tom Green as the authoritative word on Canadian issues, i have to question your reasoning ability.



<< They love to poke at americans about guns, and how they don't have them, well yea, you have the US to the south of you, why would you need weapons? You think any country in the world is going to get near the US, let alone attack canada? >>



Um, it's legal to own a firearm in Canada. It's just that not as many Canadians are fanatics about guns as the US.




 

Doboji

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well crap there goes my escape plan.... guess I'l haveto move to Israel... gack... sure hope things are calmer in 10 years!

-Max
 

Javelin

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Nothing in that survey is surprising. The only thing that might surprise people(who are not familiar with Conrad Black's mouth piece aka the National Post) is the prominence given to such trivial nonsense in a supposedly leading national paper. Try the Globe and Mail.



<< The survey also found that Canadians believe it is quite likely they will come to share common banks with Americans, but believe it is less likely the two countries will have common courts, currency and especially elections. >>



So, there Canadians might see a Citibank branch sometime in the next 10 years. This really is a shocking development. Who knows what might come next... pretty soon we'll be using American credit cards like AMEX and VISA and driving American cars.

As for a currency union, it depends on the situation. If there were a new currency of the Americas, including Canada, US and Latin American countries, we would probably have to join. But its not really plausible at the moment that we would simply adopt the US dollar. Nor has the benefit of single currency been proven. We shall see what the effects are on the Euro-zone economies but its not at all clear that there are any net benefits of having a single currency and the European situation is as political as it is economic. Its a bit of a different ball game for North America.

The current model of NAFTA - free trade area without political intergration seems to be working fairly well. Trade between the NAFTA countries has increased nicely and the economy is stronger than in Europe. The next step should be expanding this free trade zone to all of the Americas, political or monetary integration would needlessly complicate matters and the benefits are questionable.


 

b0mbrman

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it would definitely make trade easier. I for one get charged $12 to deposit a money order funded by a Canadian bank
 

goshdarnindie

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I make fun of Canadians, but its just a stock joke. I wouldn't want this economic garbage like in Europe, because when that happens, the lesser (financially) nation is basically giving up their soveriegnty.
Carve out a few states and then we're on our way. But make sure the number of states will look good on our flag. Maybe we could use maple leafs instead of stars. That would be cool.

But of course, this will not happen anytime soon. Issues such as health care (like not having it) and other issues would have to be agreed upon, and I don't know if you follow the news, but the US can't even agree among themselves that maybe we have to make a little pollution so that California/Arizona have power. Oh well.
 

Soccerman

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National debt does not exist, old war debts kept alive so currency levels stay as they are. Pushing numbers, and no counrty has enough gold or precious material to cover all the numbers they are pushing. No one has proven to me that I own anybody anything.

Ok, I did not know that, (I heard something about the US having a massive debt before).

however, you have to realize that Canada spends much of its money on DEBT REDUCTION.

I don't have numbers for this, but I bet if we took the amount of money that went into debt reduction and spread it out back to the taxpayers, you wouldn't see such a problem when it comes to having high taxes for the social services we recieve.

I DO know that the US does have a debt when it comes to funding international programs though (I don't know if you'd call that a debt though). They have good reasons for it though, and that is simply that sometimes those programs are sent to countries (such as Iraq) who do things with the 'money' that they get for purposes other then what the money was intended to be used (which is why people need democracy, so you can change things).

If I made that type of cash, I would most likely be working full time at a chain store. Noco, Wegmans, TOps. And most likely would pay for fulltime benefits. At the 15K mark, thats pushing poverty, I would apply for medicare, and take my chances there.

still, you wouldn't be nearly as well off as Canadians earning the same amount (converting for the dollar).

Just a few months ago, the canadian &quot;army&quot; you might want to call it, was giving a $350,000 sign-up bonus for doctors. Over a quarter MILLION dollars. The health care system is hurting bad. Most of the people covered by the health care system don' live in canada.

do you know why? Doctors today are in dire need in Canada, because many of them move to the States where they get better pay (so I guess you're paying more for your medical care). that kind of bonus is there to be sure that Doctors stay up here.

the Healthcare problem is not with the amount doctors are paid in fact, doctors are overworked due to a shortage of them, and are underpaid, causing the shortage. They're underpaid becuase of government cutbacks, (forcing the Healthcare system to be re-organized).

Population is estimated at 30 million in the country. And 60 million on the health care roll call. Abuse is what it reeks of.

I didn't know this, where did you learn it?

that's my problem, I don't have the raw data to make clear statements, and provide proof..
 

Atlantean

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Canadians make fun of americans and americans make fun of canadians. It is not something that is supposed to be rude, it is all in fun and games. Some americans think that canadians live in igloos or that they have a national igloo. This isn't true. Some canadians think that they have better beer than americans. This is true. Canadian women do not all love americans, many that I know think that many american men are too full of themselves. Oh and does anyone know if it is true when people say that over half of all americans don't know that the sun is a star? or is that just something that people say to make fun of americans and call them stupid?
 

FrancesBeansRevenge

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I never quite understood any 'friction' between Canadians and the US... I absolutely adore Canada... IMHO B.C. is one of the nicest places in the world (and I've lived in all the western countries). And the Canadians I've gotten the chance to know well personally are some of my most cherished friends.

We all know that no matter how much we take 'pot shots' at each other if the shiznit hit the fan the US would fight to the death for Canada... and vice-versa.
 

Soccerman

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This is true.

lol, I wouldn't know.. I've vowed to myself to drink as little alcohol on my life as possible..

I never quite understood any 'friction' between Canadians and the US... I absolutely adore Canada... IMHO B.C. is one of the nicest places in the world (and I've lived in all the western countries). And the Canadians I've gotten the chance to know well personally are some of my most cherished friends.

well, I guess people both remember their history..

most likely the reason behind a Canadians' dislike of americans is because the person is afraid of losing their way of life (their culture).

Quebec seems to be scared sh!tless about that prospect, though I think they're going to extremes (let Jacques Villeneuve live in peace! I wish I could go to his new restaurant) over nothing they (the extremests) basically frown upon anything english. Unfortunately, the extremists are the ones in power, though luckily, the people of quebec haven't done anything stupid (they appear to be the solid foundation that the rest of us Canadians hope will hold us together).

As for Americans, I don't know the reasoning, except that I DO know that in the past (before 1867, when Canada was still just a colony of Britain), there were attempts by Americans (official attempts too, not just some extremist group) to take over much of the land that was basically un-defended, simply becuase Britain was occupied with France, the US population outnumbered the Canadian population (therefor the Canadian army was vastly outnumbered), and becuase they felt it was their god-given right to take over north America.

Fortunately for Canada, the offence was badly organized (though the defence made stupid mistakes too), and the 'war' went on AFTER Britain finished dealing with France, so Britain helped Canada a little bit..

BTW, that was the war in which the Canadian Parliament buildings were burned down by the Americans, and in which the White House was burned down by Canadians..

We all know that no matter how much we take 'pot shots' at each other if the shiznit hit the fan the US would fight to the death for Canada... and vice-versa.

most likely yes.
 
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