Canadian Election 2011

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silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
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The GG sided with the PMs to altered (or tried to changed) the course of government after the PMs lost or about to lose the peers democratic votes. How is that democratic to you?

It is naive to think that Canada don't have lobbyists?

<--- Canadian and know lobbyists/lawyers that are working for large corporations/unions (it come down to who grease the lobbyists palms with more money). My former IT corporation boss were an ex Deputy Minister (he was ousted because he was caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and the government gave him a company/no bid contracts), and we work closely with the government (most of our contracts were government contracts), and you will be surprise what I have seen behind the parliament closed doors.

We have lobbyists, but they do not have anywhere near the same influence that they do in the US.

It is democratic because that is the process we have set up. Eliminate the GG and the PM would just prorogue parliament on his own because he would then be head of state and could do it himself.
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
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Holy crap CanOWorms... you're just not in touch with reality are you?

How is the monarchy sexist when the head of state is a woman, and up until very recently, the GG was a black woman?

Canada contributes nothing to the royal family. The queen is Canada's appendix. We're born with it, but having an operation to remove it unless something goes wrong with it, is completely unnecessary.

The preamble to the constitution is not at all enforceable and has zero impact on anything.

Writing in 1982, when the Charter came into force, constitutional scholar Peter Hogg noted that these words, being a preamble, could not really be applied by the courts but in theory could help to determine how other sections of the Charter should be read and applied. In this particular case, however, Hogg expressed doubt as to how much help this preamble could be, noting the term "rule of law" is "notoriously vague" and that the mention of the "supremacy of God" is contrary to section 2 of the Charter, which protects freedom of conscience, which Hogg felt would include a right to atheism.[1] In R. v. Morgentaler (1988), Justice Bertha Wilson defined freedom of conscience as protecting "conscientious beliefs which are not religiously motivated", and balanced the preamble out with the statement that "the values entrenched in the Charter are those which characterize a free and democratic society".
In considering the legal implications of the preamble in the 1999 case R. v. Sharpe, the British Columbia Court of Appeal referred to it as a "dead letter" which the BC justices had "no authority to breathe life" into.[2]

You say the government is inherently religious, but this is not the case as the Charter explicitly prevents this.
 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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Wow, another race-based attack from Infohawk. Shocking! I don't care about South Asia. However, I think that your characterization is interesting since the British were defeated by third world civilians there.

I'm not upset at the concept of monarchy or religion. If people want to believe in fairy tales, that's fine. But when the government mandates a monarchy, then I'm not ok with it. People all over the world still worship various monarchies (Greek, French, Afghanistan, Nepal, etc.) while the governments don't officially recognize them.

If Nepal and Afghanistan can get rid of barbaric monarchy, shouldn't supposed developed countries be able to do the same?

Are you dumb or is English not your native language? Religion has nothing to do with race. You are obsessed with the British monarchy since you infuse it into every thread even if it's unrelated just like this one.
 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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Holy crap CanOWorms... you're just not in touch with reality are you?

Of course not. You're being trolled. CanOWorms believes Churchill was a bigger criminal than Hitler and that the UK should be bombed because of its response to the BP oil spill. He's crazy and everyone knows it. And if you criticize him he'll call you a bigot.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
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Wow, another race-based attack from Infohawk. Shocking! I don't care about South Asia. However, I think that your characterization is interesting since the British were defeated by third world civilians there.

I'm not upset at the concept of monarchy or religion. If people want to believe in fairy tales, that's fine. But when the government mandates a monarchy, then I'm not ok with it. People all over the world still worship various monarchies (Greek, French, Afghanistan, Nepal, etc.) while the governments don't officially recognize them.

If Nepal and Afghanistan can get rid of barbaric monarchy, shouldn't supposed developed countries be able to do the same?

 

westernedge

Junior Member
Mar 26, 2011
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a reply from a resident of the only province who has yet to keep a premier in office unaffected by scandal...and yes sandorski, i was in bc during the vanderscam years, harcourts bingogate, glenn clarks folly, and of recent silver spoon gordie's fall from grace. do YOUR history, while the liberals under both chretien and martin were in power, our world credit rating was demoted 2 times, liberal scandals cost taxpayers untold millions in by-offs and promotion plate retirement shut-up money, but then living in the shadow of the jaded left coast of canada i would expect no different. Canada's power is on the prairies, not in BC and definitely no-longer in the have-not centre of the universe known as Ontario
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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a reply from a resident of the only province who has yet to keep a premier in office unaffected by scandal...and yes sandorski, i was in bc during the vanderscam years, harcourts bingogate, glenn clarks folly, and of recent silver spoon gordie's fall from grace. do YOUR history, while the liberals under both chretien and martin were in power, our world credit rating was demoted 2 times, liberal scandals cost taxpayers untold millions in by-offs and promotion plate retirement shut-up money, but then living in the shadow of the jaded left coast of canada i would expect no different. Canada's power is on the prairies, not in BC and definitely no-longer in the have-not centre of the universe known as Ontario

Most of your post has nothing to do with Federal Politics. What does have to do with it is half correct, yes, there were scandals. Not much of a point given Harper's various scandals, but they had them. Ratings downgrades are a stupid point, since Chretien/Martin inherited a Budgetary mess that took years of Spending Cuts and Tax/Fee Increases ti fix, culminating in a decade of Surpluses which Harper eventually inherited.

Please come back if you find a point to make. So far you've been failing hard.
 

Zebo

Elite Member
Jul 29, 2001
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I only fish in Canada. Pike and Walleye etc in ontario. Long as they don't take that away I'm cool with whomever. One thing I hated was last year they required a passport when I crossed at international falls. WTF? Get rid or that.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,670
6,246
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I only fish in Canada. Pike and Walleye etc in ontario. Long as they don't take that away I'm cool with whomever. One thing I hated was last year they required a passport when I crossed at international falls. WTF? Get rid or that.

You require it to get back into the US.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
31,843
50,184
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I only fish in Canada. Pike and Walleye etc in ontario. Long as they don't take that away I'm cool with whomever. One thing I hated was last year they required a passport when I crossed at international falls. WTF? Get rid or that.

Bitch at your government about that not ours...
 

actuarial

Platinum Member
Jan 22, 2009
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I probably should be a conservative (police in family, upper middle class), but god do I hate Harper. The re-opening of gay marriage when he promised to leave it alone was the final straw for me. If there's one thing that I take pride in being Canadian (i'm not a nationalistic person by nature), it's that we generally live and let live.

He's also been consistently shoved it in my face of how much a douche bag he is as he's been running election style attack ads for two full years now. I generally avoid voting for parties that I know are intentionally misleading the public in their campaign ads (not saying it's easy to find someone to vote for with that policy), but to do it for two full years just in case your government is overthrown is ridiculous.

Is it so hard in Canada to have a party that leaves our personal lives alone, is fiscally responsible, and moderately socialist? The closest might be the Liberals, but frankly I have no idea what their platform is recently (other than Harper's a douche, which I do agree with).
 

AnitaPeterson

Diamond Member
Apr 24, 2001
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I despise the CP, and have no faith in either of the opposition parties - the Libs screwed the pooch too many times, and the NDP seems mired in a perpetual fight. The Greens need a different leader - May appears as a hateful, raging lunatic with no scientific backing. The BQ is merely a bunch of clowns perpetually looking at the past and asking for a rematch of the battle on the Plains of Abraham (and make no mistake, they have no clue how to govern if QC qould ever succeed to separate)....

The Cons have already screwed us royally with Bill C-32 - a Canadian version of the DMCA - and with their acceptance of the media oligopolies dictating what citizens can and cannot do with their internet connection.

I will probably hold my nose and vote Liberal or NDP.... I'd give my vote in a heartbeat to anyone who promises that they will force Bell Canada to split into several separate entities....
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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The BQ is merely a bunch of clowns perpetually looking at the past and asking for a rematch of the battle on the Plains of Abraham (and make no mistake, they have no clue how to govern if QC qould ever succeed to separate)....
I've met people from Quebec, and it's weird how so many of them really do care a lot about mundane things nobody else cares about. One guy I worked with was upset that Canadian money has a British monarch on the back side. I really didn't think anyone cares about things like that.


I took CBC's online quiz and it said I should vote liberal this time. I guess I'll just do what it says. It can't be worse than letting Harper stay in power. Test below:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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those so-called scandals pale in comparison to those by the liberals.

I loved the whining by Iggy about the Federal deficit. Hello Iggy, it was you that forced Harper to pass an excessively lucrative bailout package. Of course intelligent people had already predicted that this is what would happen. And it did.

I am not in favour of new jets.

I am in favour of harsher punishment for violent offenders. Let them serve the time they were sentenced to. No more credit deals for time already served. The only reason lefties don't like this is because criminals will be held accountable for their actions. Lefties don't like things such as personal responsibility. Instead they prefer the 'hug-a-thug' school of criminal justice.

As for a coalition of the idiots: no thanks. Most Canadians are opposed to a coalition; especially with the Bloq having the final say.

The Liberals need Ontario, and with Dalton screwing the Province, most people want nothing to do with the Liberals. Layton is on borrowed time as well. The rural vote is looking to punish the NDP for the Long Gun Registry vote.

All in all, I predict a most interesting election result.


You think In and Out is a small thing? If I did that, I would be in jail.
How about lying to Parliament?
How about withholding information from Parliament?
How about partisan ad spending paid for by the public?
How about the F35 Fighter Jet lobbyist turned Conservative candidate?
How about G20 expenditures?
Harper wanted a coalition back in 2004. The same thing he is accusing others of doing, he already did before.

Remember, Conservatives came to power standing on the "Integrity" platform. I don't have a problem with a Conservative government, but what we got is a Reform government and that is a big no no.


To me, the things Harper has done definitely calls for an election. He has to learn that Canada is governed by the Parliament, not the Prime Minister. Especially when it is a minority government.

BTW, the election cost is stimulating economy, albeit a small sector of it.


I am not a big fan of party based election, I think everyone should just elect the best candidate in their riding and forget the party.
 
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yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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The Cons have already screwed us royally with Bill C-32 - a Canadian version of the DMCA - and with their acceptance of the media oligopolies dictating what citizens can and cannot do with their internet connection.

How's that? /Even Michael Geist considered C-32 "flawed but fixable" and of all of the people in power in recent memory, it's the Conservatives who have slapped down our telecom incumbents (and the CRTC) when rulings looked to impede competitiveness.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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We have lobbyists, but they do not have anywhere near the same influence that they do in the US.

It is democratic because that is the process we have set up. Eliminate the GG and the PM would just prorogue parliament on his own because he would then be head of state and could do it himself.

How about the F35 Lobbyist that is now a Conservative candidate? I couldn't believe it when I heard that.
 

AnitaPeterson

Diamond Member
Apr 24, 2001
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How's that? /Even Michael Geist considered C-32 "flawed but fixable" and of all of the people in power in recent memory, it's the Conservatives who have slapped down our telecom incumbents (and the CRTC) when rulings looked to impede competitiveness.

Believe me, I've been harping about C-32 for a while now. Geist knows it, too (I talk to the guy, and with others) on a regular basis. The problem is that DRM trumps consumer (oh, I HATE that word, I prefer "citizen") rights... and the Conservatives know it, but refuse to budge on this point.

While Cons are known to pander to the "ethnic vote", it would serve them well if the "ethnics" would realize that C-32, in its current form criminalizes the circumvention of ANY digital locks. This includes region coding for DVDs. In other words, watch a DVD from Europe, Asia or Oceania = automatically become a criminal.

Some will say that this is nothing, or "everybody does it, like jaywalking"... but I have serious concerns against broad laws which have the potential to criminalize a large portion of the population - it's like giving any government/authority a "carte blanche" to fine, jail or harass you at will. Could this be used as an excuse to deal with inconvenient people? History says yes... all hyperbole aside, remember that Al Capone was not tried for racketeering - instead, they got him on a tax evasion charge.

Will many people be affected directly and drastically by C-32 in its current form? Common sense says no, but... why should we live under that idiotic threat?

And, on the other hand, does it serve the country to create laws that nobody in their right mind would respect? What does this say about the democratic process? What does it say about the legal system? I've seen this happen in Eastern Europe, it's destructive for the society in the long run.
 

AnitaPeterson

Diamond Member
Apr 24, 2001
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I've met people from Quebec, and it's weird how so many of them really do care a lot about mundane things nobody else cares about. One guy I worked with was upset that Canadian money has a British monarch on the back side. I really didn't think anyone cares about things like that.


I took CBC's online quiz and it said I should vote liberal this time. I guess I'll just do what it says. It can't be worse than letting Harper stay in power. Test below:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/

Yes, I took the quiz as well, and got a similar recommendation... oh, well, here goes nothing!
 

Dominato3r

Diamond Member
Aug 15, 2008
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I've met people from Quebec, and it's weird how so many of them really do care a lot about mundane things nobody else cares about. One guy I worked with was upset that Canadian money has a British monarch on the back side. I really didn't think anyone cares about things like that.


I took CBC's online quiz and it said I should vote liberal this time. I guess I'll just do what it says. It can't be worse than letting Harper stay in power. Test below:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/

Wow, that thing has been up for 2 or 3 days and its gotten 570k runs. Impressive.
 
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