Canadian Election 2011

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ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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Canada.com has a site up called Decision Canada that tracks all of the promises made by each major party, which is great for an at-a-glance summary of where everyone stands.
I'm reading through this right now. Some of it is hilarious.


Democracy / Open Government:
-Conservative party plans to end public subsidies to political parties (ie all funding must come from lobbyists and organized crime)

Crime:
-Liberal party wants to establish a national task force on missing and murdered Aboriginal Women. (because making a task force to cover women of ALL races would not be racist enough)

Foreign Policy:
-Conservative party promises to complete free trade agreements with the European Union by 2010 and India by 2013. (because free trade with China worked so well for the Americans)
-Liberal party wants to re-engage in Africa (like invade Africa? capture their HIV and sell it on the open market?)


The Liberals have a lot of fucked up policies but they're dwarfed by stuff the conservatives want such as ending democracy and offshoring all manufacturing to India.
 

AnitaPeterson

Diamond Member
Apr 24, 2001
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So close to a million Canadians voted for Green and they should just be ignored? I am not saying give them the government, but look at PQ, they got about 500k or 55% more votes than the Green, but PQ got 49 seats. And I would put PQ in the same category as Western Block Party.

That's because the Greens can't threat with secession, like Quebec does.
What are the Greens going to do, declare Algonquin Park off-limits?
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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That's because the Greens can't threat with secession, like Quebec does.
What are the Greens going to do, declare Algonquin Park off-limits?

You think they actually want to separate? It is far better for them to keep extorting money.
 

D1gger

Diamond Member
Oct 3, 2004
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Elizabeth May is running in the riding I live in, and the only thing I beleive she will accomplish is splitting the left vote three ways with the NDP & Liberals and Gary Lunn of the Conservatives will win again, even though IMHO he has been completely ineffectual as an MP.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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WTF? This was a big reason for me to vote Liberal this election. (Well, probably still will, but this is a letdown.)

Canoe.ca - Grits won't revisit crime bills: Holland

OTTAWA -­ A Liberal government wouldn't revisit any of the tough-on-crime legislation passed under the Tories, incumbent Liberal Mark Holland said Monday.

"I don't see anything right now that we need to go back and undo," the public safety critic said in phone interview with QMI Agency.

But Holland underscored that a Liberal government would focus on crime prevention, not incarceration.

...

Holland mused publicly last year that the Liberals might revisit C-25 after the PBO report was unveiled.

But on Monday he said the Liberals would instead review ways to slash the time inmates spend in remand centres.

Holland didn't say whether the Grits would roll back the $601 million in prison infrastructure spending that has already been announced.

"We're going to make sure our prisons are safe," he said.
 

Doppel

Lifer
Feb 5, 2011
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You guys need to drop this Queen dissolving parliament stuff, it's embarrassing. Ger her off your bills already.
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
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You guys need to drop this Queen dissolving parliament stuff, it's embarrassing. Ger her off your bills already.

Parliament effectively dissolved itself. Yes, the GG is the one who actually does it, but the GG does what parliament (through the PM) tells him (or her) to do.
 

Iron Woode

Elite Member
Super Moderator
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally Posted by sdifox View Post
So close to a million Canadians voted for Green and they should just be ignored? I am not saying give them the government, but look at PQ, they got about 500k or 55% more votes than the Green, but PQ got 49 seats. And I would put PQ in the same category as Western Block Party.
That's because too many people don't give a shit about the Green Party or its single issue platform.

and speaking of the Greens:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Federal+court+denies+Elizabeth+join+leaders+debate/4562102/story.html

a letter in the National Post summed it up nicely:

"Having a national debate without the Green party is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You leave a lot of useless, noisy baggage behind." (Topically edited from the original by Jed Babbin, former U.S. secretary of defense.)

:awe:
 

dennilfloss

Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
Oct 21, 1999
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An interesting possibility evoked also by Josée Legault: a Liberal minority government even if they come in second, without a coalition, if a Harper government never got the confidence of the House after the election.

http://www.canada.com/news/decision...ng larger election horizon/4571175/story.html

http://www.voir.ca/blogs/jose_legault/archive/2011/04/06/le-d-233-clin-de-l-empire-lib-233-ral.aspx

I could see Harper brandish the FUD spectre of this to the Canadian electorate as further proof he needs a majority.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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I really like this idea of empowering the PBO - and unofficially enforcing a code of silence on budget proposals until one is evaluated by the PBO - here in Canada.

The Globe & Mail - Why the parties' federal budget projections are less than credible

The federal deficit is going to be one of the most important challenges facing the next government, and the platforms of the three major parties all claim that their programs are consistent with balancing the budget in the medium term. None of these claims are credible.

All parties are using the March 22 budget as a baseline for their scenarios; their platforms enumerate tax and spending plans in terms of deviations from the budget scenario. So the first problem to point out is that the budget’s scenario of freezing nominal expenditures for five years without cutting services or programs is at best implausibly optimistic.

The Liberal platform discussed here builds on that implausible baseline by overestimating anticipated revenues from an increase in the corporate income tax (CIT) by a factor of 2.5.

The Conservative platform’s variation on its own budget is a promise to identify and implement savings worth $4-billion a year within the next three years without cutting programs or reducing services. No other explanation is offered, but then again, neither do they seem to be able to explain the cuts that were announced in the budget.

But the prize for budgetary opacity must surely go to the New Democrats’ “costing document” (pdf). Firstly, their estimate of $9-billion a year from increasing the CIT rate is even more implausible than that of the Liberals: an overestimate by a factor of at least three. The next largest source of revenue -- “Tax Haven Crackdown” -- is supposed to produce more than $3-billion in 2014-15.

I cannot offer you any more in the way of explanation behind that number, because the NDP platform is completely silent on the matter. No measures are announced, no reasoning is offered to explain why those measures might be sensible, and no research is offered to justify the $3-billion estimate. The same goes for the “Ending Fossil Fuel Subsidies” entry: $2-billion a year in extra revenues, again with no explanation, discussion or research.

In the United States, proposals aren’t taken seriously until they are examined by the Congressional Budget Office. We should be thinking seriously about giving the Parliamentary Budget Office -- or some other independent source of professional expertise -- the resources necessary to perform the same service. The current state of affairs is simply unacceptable. Voters shouldn’t be reduced to guessing what lies behind parties’ thinking.
 

Martin

Lifer
Jan 15, 2000
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I wonder if this will become an issue:

The Harper government misinformed Parliament to win approval for a $50-million G8 fund that lavished money on dubious projects in a Conservative riding, the Auditor-General has concluded.

And she suggests the process by which the funding was approved may have been illegal.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...n-g8-spending-auditor-general/article1979865/


I still can't figure out whether Canadians are actually ok with all this shit the Cons do, or they just don't know what the "fiscally responsible" party does with their money.
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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I wonder if this will become an issue:



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...n-g8-spending-auditor-general/article1979865/


I still can't figure out whether Canadians are actually ok with all this shit the Cons do, or they just don't know what the "fiscally responsible" party does with their money.

Lots of people in Canada are every bit as bad as Fox News viewers in the US. Everything is some liberal conspiracy. If CBC exposes some bullshit a conservative does, it's because CBC is the liberal media. When they expose liberals doing the same thing, then suddenly CBC is the most credible source evar and it's good journalism. People are fucking idiots. Everyone below 50 IQ should be forcibly sterilized.
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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Lots of people in Canada are every bit as bad as Fox News viewers in the US. Everything is some liberal conspiracy. If CBC exposes some bullshit a conservative does, it's because CBC is the liberal media. When they expose liberals doing the same thing, then suddenly CBC is the most credible source evar and it's good journalism. People are fucking idiots. Everyone below 50 IQ should be forcibly sterilized.

I always thought Canadian's were smarter.

Just skimming over the comments posted on the Toronto Star and CBC News set me straight. You can't go more than a few posts before someone posts something along the lines of "take that you lefty idiots".
 

desy

Diamond Member
Jan 13, 2000
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Slighty politically smarter because its harder to buy our votes, not because of the general population
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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Looks like they did it twice:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/04/11/cv-election-weston-ag-fraser.html#

The Conservatives' report, presented as a dissenting opinion to the Commons the morning Parliament was dissolved last month, quotes Fraser giving high marks to the Harper government for prudent spending on the summits.

The report quoted the auditor general as saying: “We found that the processes and controls around that were very good, and that the monies were spent as they were intended to be spent.”

But in her letter addressed to members of a Commons committee on Friday, which was received by the clerk and members on Monday, Fraser said the quote had nothing to do with the summits.

Instead, she said, the Conservatives recycled an old comment she made on security spending by a previous Liberal government after the 9/11 terrorist attacks a decade ago.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Looks like they did it twice:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/04/11/cv-election-weston-ag-fraser.html#

The Conservatives' report, presented as a dissenting opinion to the Commons the morning Parliament was dissolved last month, quotes Fraser giving high marks to the Harper government for prudent spending on the summits.

The report quoted the auditor general as saying: “We found that the processes and controls around that were very good, and that the monies were spent as they were intended to be spent.”

But in her letter addressed to members of a Commons committee on Friday, which was received by the clerk and members on Monday, Fraser said the quote had nothing to do with the summits.

Instead, she said, the Conservatives recycled an old comment she made on security spending by a previous Liberal government after the 9/11 terrorist attacks a decade ago.

holly shit, that is blatant lying.
 

desy

Diamond Member
Jan 13, 2000
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Bothers me more that Clements riding receives 4X the avg infastructure spending.
There's pork and then there's pork. . .
Secondly a DRAFT report from January 1? Nothing like somebody sitting on this to just whip it out to help poison an election
 
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iGas

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2009
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Are the Liberals still proposing a carbon tax?
Not sure, but rumor has it that Carbon Tax will be announce soon as Green Party main platform. And, the draconian proceed go to environmental projects (tax grab/gravy train).
 
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silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
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Here's a good one too:

Tories misled parliament on g8 spending

"Ms. Fraser's confidential Jan. 13 draft says the government misinformed Parliament to win approval for a $50-million G8 fund that lavished money on questionable projects in Industry Minister Tony Clement's riding.

And it suggests the process by which the funding was approved may have been illegal."
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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I always thought Canadian's were smarter.

Just skimming over the comments posted on the Toronto Star and CBC News set me straight. You can't go more than a few posts before someone posts something along the lines of "take that you lefty idiots".

The internet is an idiot enabler.
 
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