Canadian Election 2011

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spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
65,469
5
76
Congrats Canadians on your red wave of conservatives! You've done well and are back on the right track.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
99,200
17,487
126
Don't blame the voters, blame the party for being out of touch with Canadians which your candidate represented.

Great article on what went wrong with the Liberals and I mentioned most of it earlier in this thread before the election that the Liberals shifting to the left would hurt them.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-went-wrong-and-where-to-next/article2008011/

Here's a great comment from the comment section that sums it up.



Repeating that the Conservatives are so bad may sound good in the minds of partisans, but Canadians who don't have a partisanship bias voted for the party that best represents their views, and that currently is the CPC. Liberals shouldn't have tried to become NDP light, the NDP just does the left much better.

I do blame the people for allowing the parties to dictate the approach to govern. It is the people that elect candidates and if you keep voting for the party as opposed to candidate, then you are going to get treated that way.


I want my electoral reform damn it. Kick the parties to the curb. I want a Parliament that votes on issue, not party position. In essence I want the good ideas to prevail, no matter what part of the political spectrum it falls on.
 
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ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
15,987
2
81
Repeating that the Conservatives are so bad may sound good in the minds of partisans, but Canadians who don't have a partisanship bias voted for the party that best represents their views, and that currently is the CPC. Liberals shouldn't have tried to become NDP light, the NDP just does the left much better.
At least we can take comfort in knowing that Canadians actually listen to the debates and decide. The Liberals ran a horrible campaign, and they didn't get a lot of seats. The lesson here is that we're not going to vote for you just because you're a liberal or just because you're a conservative. You need to show your case and explain why we should vote for you.
:thumbsup:


Conservatives in Canada are blue. Liberals are red.
Pretty much an international standard. Red = socialist. Red China, "pinko commies", etc. Republicans should really get around to changing that.
 
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Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
18,828
184
106

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
15,987
2
81
Conservatives are further left than your Democrats.
Funny how that works eh?


in USA:
liberals offer programs to help poor people
conservative fight against said programs

in Canada:
liberals offer free shit to help poor people
conservatives offer tax deductions to help poor people

Pretty much everything in Harper's grand scheme is tax deductions or income splitting.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
12,404
2
0
Conservatives are further left than your Democrats.

Yeah, that Steven Harper guy sure is on the left with his anti-abortion, pro-imperialism, pro-monarchy, anti-climate change, anti-same sex marriage, etc. views! :hmm:
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
18,828
184
106
Yeah, that Steven Harper guy sure is on the left with his anti-abortion, pro-imperialism, pro-monarchy, anti-climate change, anti-same sex marriage, etc. views! :hmm:

When you get down to the individual, there are Democrats that are anti-abortion, anti-public healthcare, religious, etc.

So ya, probably more of an "overlap" within a wide range than generally left of Democrats. Still wouldn't say they were as far right as "true" Republicans though.

Regardless, just pointing out that Canadians essentially voted for US Democrats (read Spidey's usual posts...).
 
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CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
12,404
2
0
When you get down to the individual, there are Democrats that are anti-abortion, anti-public healthcare, religious, etc.

So ya, probably more of an "overlap" within a wide range than generally left of Democrats. Still wouldn't say they were as far right as "true" Republicans though.

Regardless, just pointing out that Canadians essentially voted for US Democrats (read Spidey's usual posts...).

I wouldn't say that most of them are as right as Republicans, but saying that they're basically Democrats seems to be too much, too. A group description would be that they're generally in between Democrats and Republicans with obvious outliers.
 

Colt45

Lifer
Apr 18, 2001
19,720
1
0
CPC is sort of odd mix. It's got some neocon types, some old PCs which were more democrat-ish, and a bunch old reform party types (social conservative cancer).
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
27,703
12
81
Whoa, did anyone else see that one of the NDP candidates in Quebec who got elected is 19 and just finished his first year of university? $157k/yr + expenses + allowance + etc for 4 years... wow.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
99,200
17,487
126
Whoa, did anyone else see that one of the NDP candidates in Quebec who got elected is 19 and just finished his first year of university? $157k/yr + expenses + allowance + etc for 4 years... wow.

that is not as bad as the "bar manager" vacationing in vegas, not speaking French, and still win.

this guy is at least in pol sci.
 
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Michael

Elite member
Nov 19, 1999
5,435
234
106
Just about any warm body is better than BQ. Maybe better politically to have voted for the winner, but the Harper Conservatives are so rooted in Western Canada that it is hard to garner votes in Quebec.

At least the new Quebec NPD reps are part of a national party.

Michael
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
27,703
12
81
that is not as bad as the "bar manager" vacationing in vegas, not speaking French, and still win.

this guy is at least in pol sci.

There's many hundreds if not thousands of people at my university alone who have 1 year of polisci under their belts
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
27,703
12
81
But did they run in Quebec?

Well at least one guy ran for the NDP provincially here yeah. He had to withdraw because pictures of him at some party posing with chicks who were flashing made it into the mainstream media.

The point is, the NDP ran a bunch of candidates in Quebec and no one ever thought they'd win, so they just let anyone run. But then they won.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
99,200
17,487
126
Well at least one guy ran for the NDP provincially here yeah. He had to withdraw because pictures of him at some party posing with chicks who were flashing made it into the mainstream media.

The point is, the NDP ran a bunch of candidates in Quebec and no one ever thought they'd win, so they just let anyone run. But then they won.

It's really fucked up that these people are MPs now.
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
18,828
184
106
Well at least one guy ran for the NDP provincially here yeah. He had to withdraw because pictures of him at some party posing with chicks who were flashing made it into the mainstream media.

The point is, the NDP ran a bunch of candidates in Quebec and no one ever thought they'd win, so they just let anyone run. But then they won.

lol

I was really surprised that two of the people out of Quebec, both NDP, were so damn young. Think one of them was on vacation in Vegas during part of the campaign too. Oh well, they got voted in...
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
20,577
432
126
Whoa, did anyone else see that one of the NDP candidates in Quebec who got elected is 19 and just finished his first year of university? $157k/yr + expenses + allowance + etc for 4 years... wow.

Apparently his alternate plans for the summer was to work on a golf course.
 

Spicedaddy

Platinum Member
Apr 18, 2002
2,305
77
91
95% of the people vote for the party or their leader without looking who their candidate is.

Pretty sad, but if you're voting for someone and haven't even taken 2 minutes to check out his bio on the web, you deserve what you get. In this case, a barmaid or a 19 year old student...
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
27,703
12
81
Apparently his alternate plans for the summer was to work on a golf course.

Hey! That's a great summer job for students. That's what I did during school. I wish I had a $157k/yr job at the time though.
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
27,703
12
81
95% of the people vote for the party or their leader without looking who their candidate is.

Pretty sad, but if you're voting for someone and haven't even taken 2 minutes to check out his bio on the web, you deserve what you get. In this case, a barmaid or a 19 year old student...

Which is why we need some electoral reform here. A majority with 38% of the vote, people with no experience being elected to $157k/yr jobs...
 
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