Car that runs on Water!!!

[KidViciou$]

http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/News/0,7427,1369-1372_1605834,00.html


how long until this disappears from the media??


edit: pay no attention to this story, it's credibility has been shot

 

[yllus]

If it sounds too good to be true...

Interesting that he's "currently looking for investors to take the device to market". You sort of wonder why the world hasn't beaten a path to his door.

 

[KidViciou$]

maybe the investors will be the oil companies who will bury it? or find a way to make it more expensive for future milking of the population

 

[yllus]

And what, the world will never hear about it again? We have conspiracy theory nuts who still deny man went to the moon, and you think that "the oil companies" can bury a story about the best source of cheap energy the world has ever seen?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
maybe the investors will be the oil companies who will bury it? or find a way to make it more expensive for future milking of the population

I've heard that is what happens a lot. There are a lot of brilliant people out there making remarkable items. 'Tis a shame that it gets wasted most of the time.


Thanks for the link though. :thumbsup:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
maybe the investors will be the oil companies who will bury it? or find a way to make it more expensive for future milking of the population

Back in the day, Henry Ford paid $10,000 for a formula to turn water into gas. This kind of stuff always comes out of the woodwork when oil prices are high.

 

[K1052]

The oil companies have also mastered cold fusion but are holding it back until all fossil fuels reserves have been depleted.

 

[RichPLS]

http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm

 

[yllus]

IT consulting companies with terrible websites are leaders in alternative energy research.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
maybe the investors will be the oil companies who will bury it? or find a way to make it more expensive for future milking of the population

I can't get to the link for some reason. If this is the Hydrogen Fuel cell then remember President Bush put up money 1.7 Billion Dollars for the research. President Clinton also put up some money and while it was spent it was not used for the research it was intended. Although, I would prefer private enterprise (better known as evil non-government operated or controlled businesses to many of you) had done the research. Oh, wait, it WAS private enterprise that made it successful.

Of course the environmentalists didn't like the idea of the Hydrogen Fuel Cell once it looked as if it would become a reality. The media was awash in protests over the fuel cell when it was announced but I can't find them now. The previous link shows their concerns.

Basically, all the alternative sources for fuel either pollute more or cost more or both. It is like the Green Energy company that produced 100% Green energy and offered it to the various nature and environmental groups at $10 per month over their current costs. No one would purchase it because it cost more. To survive the company reduced the green energy percentage to 10% and now the environmentalists are buying from them.

 

[KidViciou$]

this isn't a hydrogen cell, this is pure water that propels the car using something called brown's gas

and it was developed in south africa, not USA so the free market argument doesn't really apply

 

[5LiterMustang]

Originally posted by: K1052
The oil companies have also mastered cold fusion but are holding it back until all fossil fuels reserves have been depleted.

lol oil companies have mastered fusion? something that has eluded scientists for decades? yeah sure...the first fusion reactor is about to go online in france and it is a test reactor. Why? because they havent' figured out how to keep a fusion reaction going. THEY DONT KNOW HOW, not even the OIL companies.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
this isn't a hydrogen cell, this is pure water that propels the car using something called brown's gas

Same concept. Electricity turns water into components. Components combine back into water and release some energy. Note that the article here never states what powers the electricity.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: yllus
IT consulting companies with terrible websites are leaders in alternative energy research.

wow, that's an embarassing website. that alone makes me think this is a big sham

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/News/0,7427,1369-1372_1605834,00.html


how long until this disappears from the media??

Developed by Nelspruit research and development company Ku-Shan Technologies, the device uses electricity from the car's battery to turn water into a gas known as hydroxy, or Brown's Gas.

This gas is then re-aligned using Ku-Shan's process - patents have been applied for - to make it suitable for use in an ordinary petrol engine.

"It's not that the technology is new - it's how it's done," Ku-Shan CEO Danie de Beer told me.

Bwahahahaha! Yeah, that all sounds believable and technologically sound. :laugh:

But once again, any debunking of this garbage can simply be written off as a tactical smear by "big oil." Crackpot conspiracy theorists always have it so easy.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
this isn't a hydrogen cell, this is pure water that propels the car using something called brown's gas

Same concept. Electricity turns water into components. Components combine back into water and release some energy. Note that the article here never states what powers the electricity.

yea, i didn't realize that they were deriving the hydrogen into something called hydroxy

at least they said it's only 1.0 litre of hydroxy at a time, and it's all derived from teh water, not onboard hydrogen

 

[RichPLS]

I have been a car nut for years and read about all sorts of things to replace the gas engine. Many of them work and work well, its just that none of them work as well as the good old gas engine. I don't believe all these stories about someone who has an engine that will get 500 mpg but the oil companies buried the idea.

If it works better than the gas engine, it will sell.

If you don't see them selling then either it is another bright inpractical idea, or there are hedious conspiracies involved...
and if it is conspiracies holding it back, I will sneak in the back door and market it

 

[RichPLS]

Personally, the South African is what lends the incredibility to the article.
I think these are the same Nigerian wire transfer funds scam people that I am waiting for my 20% of $30,000,000 to come in any day now...

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang

Originally posted by: K1052
The oil companies have also mastered cold fusion but are holding it back until all fossil fuels reserves have been depleted.

lol oil companies have mastered fusion? something that has eluded scientists for decades? yeah sure...the first fusion reactor is about to go online in france and it is a test reactor. Why? because they havent' figured out how to keep a fusion reaction going. THEY DONT KNOW HOW, not even the OIL companies.

The aliens showed them how to do it.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: RichPLS
Personally, the South African is what lends the incredibility to the article.

I wouldn't automatically assume that. Not when it comes to energy. South Africa is the world leader in oil alternatives. It has been since WWII. In that war, South Africa was practically completely cut from oil supplies. So their engineers used alternative methods. The main method was to turn coal into gasoline. Sasol is a massive industry leader in that technology. They can produce oil from coal at a cost of $30 per barrel of synthetic oil. Its quite profitable right now. South Africa has been a gas exporter for decades even though they have limited oil resources.

 

[desertdweller]

When I was a tech at a Dodge dealer, I read a few articles on Chrysler working on this same technology. You put distilled water in the fuel tank, run it up to the engine and just before it enters the cylinders they were going to use electricity to seperate the hydrogen and the oxygen. The exhaust will be water vapor.

I read about this around five or so years ago, but I don't know what happened with it since. This was before Diamler bought Chrysler.


DD

 

[alphatarget1]

Do you know how much energy (electricity) it takes to seperate hydrogen and oxygen from H2O? Last time I checked it was quite a bit.

 

[Stunt]

GUYS:

"We think outside the box, and we have come up with the solution in 2 1/2 months."
*atricle posted 15/10/2004*

(I don't think he did it)

 

[RichPLS]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Do you know how much energy (electricity) it takes to seperate hydrogen and oxygen from H2O? Last time I checked it was quite a bit.

The article claims that a single car battery will do it, and consumes less power than you headlights.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: RichPLS
The article claims that a single car battery will do it, and consumes less power than you headlights.

There is an important law of thermodynamics. You cannot get out more energy than you put in. Thus when the "brown gas" recombines, you get less power than you need to power a headlight if that article was true.

Or what is more likely, is that they use external electricity.