Carry and conceal permit

[Mutilator]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

Watch the video I posted, or at least read the description. That may answer your question.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: Mutilator

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

Watch the video I posted, or at least read the description. That may answer your question.

A video by a guy call nutnfancy doesn't answer my question. (plus its 17minutes)
your a worried a random is going to shoot up your local mcdonalds? so your area is shitty?

 

[Mutilator]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Mutilator

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

Watch the video I posted, or at least read the description. That may answer your question.

A video by a guy call nutnfancy doesn't answer my question. (plus its 17minutes)

How long have you been browsing the forums just now? At least 17 minutes going by your post times. You could have left the video playing in the background. You don't necessarily have to watch it, just listen to what he's saying. If you don't have time to do that, then I don't have the time to give you an answer.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
P3AT in front right pocket. Small and lightweight, no excuse not to have it.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Mutilator

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

Watch the video I posted, or at least read the description. That may answer your question.

A video by a guy call nutnfancy doesn't answer my question. (plus its 17minutes)
your a worried a random is going to shoot up your local mcdonalds? so your area is shitty?

No, we're just not ignorant enough to think that crimes don't happen even in the nicest of areas. We carry for the same reason we keep fire extinguishers in our homes, and it's not because our homes are considerably more flammable than others.

 

[BabaBooey]

Originally posted by: JLee
I usually carry. I've been slacking lately because I've been on the bike & I think it peeks out from under the back of my jacket. I need a smaller gun - Kel-tec P3AT, Ruger LCP, etc.

But how is THIS approved by your C.O.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: Mutilator

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Mutilator

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

Watch the video I posted, or at least read the description. That may answer your question.

A video by a guy call nutnfancy doesn't answer my question. (plus its 17minutes)

How long have you been browsing the forums just now? At least 17 minutes going by your post times. You could have left the video playing in the background. You don't necessarily have to watch it, just listen to what he's saying. If you don't have time to do that, then I don't have the time to give you an answer that you're not going to understand.

I am listening bro settle down
You gotta understand i come from an area where guns arent as freely available as in America.
I dont understand the mentality. America must be a scary place to live. I mean, i make sure i dont leave home without my mobile phone, i would never consider leaving home with a gun.

If that guy wants to protect people, then why doesnt he become a cop?

I disagree with what he says about being unarmed. You options are less, but read up about krav maga.

Fuck, america must be a scary place to live in. No offense.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Fuck, america must be a scary place to live in. No offense.

In what country are you currently residing?

I'd sure like to know so that I can move there since it sounds like you have absolutely no random crimes or dangerous criminals there.

We don't carry because there is a lot of crime here (at least, there isn't where I live, relative to the rest of the country). We carry because it is impossible to know in advance when and where a crime is going to occur. Even if your country had the lowest crime rate in the world, that wouldn't be good enough for the few people that were victims.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Fuck, america must be a scary place to live in. No offense.

In what country are you currently residing?

I'd sure like to know so that I can move there since it sounds like you have absolutely no random crimes or dangerous criminals there.

Australia.

We do have crimes, but generally the bikie gangs are engaged in the shootings. There was a stabbing in a nearby street about 5 years ago. I had my fuel tanks stolen out of my boat last year. Nothing really major. Oh, we had the cronulla riots a couple of years back. That was in Sydney tho, bit more dangerous in sydney then where i am from.

Edit: one of my mates got held up at knife point by some Muslims a couple of years back... He owned them pretty good, by himself. They demanded his wallet, so he threw it on the ground in front of them, as soon as their eyes dropped he had them. He broke the firsts ones nose, to take him out of the game, then fought one on one with the second guy. My mate is in the army, so has some neat skills.

 

[sourceninja]

I carry every day and everywhere with the exception of my job. I work at a school, and the state law states that firearms are not allowed in classrooms. So my weapon stays home. I have considered keeping it in my office, but I'm afraid it may make my co-workers uncomfortable if they knew.

it is important to find a holster and position that is comfortable to you. I found that a IWB holster at the 4 o'clock position with my walther PPS (9mm) is how I like to carry in the summer. In the winter I carry OWB with my walther P99 (well used to be my SA XD9, but my wife just bought me a P99) again at the 4 o clock positon. I wear jackets and sweaters all winter, so I can hid the larger weapon and maintain the same comfort level. My requirement was that carrying a weapon should not force me to adjust my life. The PPS handles that. I'm not that guy who is forced to wear a jacket and jeans in the middle of summer. I can go out in shorts and a tshirt with my IWB holster and you will never see that pistol until I pull it. It sits right above my wallet, which is also convenient.

I find that with my walther at this position the firearm is invisible and I can't feel it. So I can walk, sqaut, bend, sit, etc with no issues. No one ever see's the weapon either. In fact yesterday after dinner my step-dad was asking me about getting a permit. He stated that he didn't like the fact that he could tell when people were carrying. So I told him about my walther. He told me I should bring it out sometime for him to check out. So I unholstered it and he was amazed that he had no idea I was carrying all night.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
I carry every day and everywhere with the exception of my job. I work at a school, and the state law states that firearms are not allowed in classrooms. So my weapon stays home. I have considered keeping it in my office, but I'm afraid it may make my co-workers uncomfortable if they knew.

it is important to find a holster and position that is comfortable to you. I found that a IWB holster at the 4 o'clock position with my walther PPS (9mm) is how I like to carry in the summer. In the winter I carry OWB with my walther P99 (well used to be my SA XD9, but my wife just bought me a P99) again at the 4 o clock positon. I wear jackets and sweaters all winter, so I can hid the larger weapon and maintain the same comfort level. My requirement was that carrying a weapon should not force me to adjust my life. The PPS handles that. I'm not that guy who is forced to wear a jacket and jeans in the middle of summer. I can go out in shorts and a tshirt with my IWB holster and you will never see that pistol until I pull it. It sits right above my wallet, which is also convenient.

I find that with my walther at this position the firearm is invisible and I can't feel it. So I can walk, sqaut, bend, sit, etc with no issues. No one ever see's the weapon either. In fact yesterday after dinner my step-dad was asking me about getting a permit. He stated that he didn't like the fact that he could tell when people were carrying. So I told him about my walther. He told me I should bring it out sometime for him to check out. So I unholstered it and he was amazed that he had no idea I was carrying all night.

Your a high school teacher. From how the media here portrays America, aren't you more likely to be shot up at a high school? (like columbine)

Why do you need to carry a gun? Is crime in your area off the scale?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Your a high school teacher. From how the media here portrays America, aren't you more likely to be shot up at a high school? (like columbine)

Why do you need to carry a gun? Is crime in your area off the scale?

I'd like you to address my revision above, which is copied here:

We don't carry because there is a lot of crime here (at least, there isn't where I live, relative to the rest of the country). We carry because it is impossible to know in advance when and where a crime is going to occur. Even if your country had the lowest crime rate in the world, that wouldn't be good enough for the few people that were victims.

Why are you under the impression that there needs to be a lot of crime for someone to carry a gun? You even stated that in Australia the crime is generally between bike gangs, but not entirely. It's no different here in America. But that still doesn't eliminate the rest of crimes committed against law abiding people. Why do they not have the right to defend themselves using a proper tool?

 

[Kirby]

I just got my CC and my gun is in the shop, but I'm not sure how much I'm actually going to carry, if at all.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

Do you have a spare tire? Let me guess, you hate relying on a toy truck and don't trust that your tires are 100% fool proof right?

I hate the fact that I have to rely on police (who btw are under NO obligation to protect you) for my defense. Even good areas can have bad things happen. A guy I knew was killed recently when a lady knocked on his door at 3am saying her car broke down and wanted to call a tow. This was in a good area so he opened the door and a man came from the side and tried to force his way in the home. He fought back and was shot. They then robbed his home.

I'm not saying a firearm would of saved his life, but I bet he would of liked to have that option. I was mugged once in chicago while on a date. I was in a good area downtown and a man with a knife took my wallet. It would of been nice (I was 17 at the time) if I could of reached back for it and instead gave him a few 9mm hollow points.

In my area there has been a rash of brake ins. It's so bad that the county police (yes we are not a city) have stepped up patrols. A few times these brake-ins have happened when someone was home. the intruders have fled, but what if they chose the other route. I feel safe knowing I can investigate that noise with my .357.

The other day I saw a kid broke down on the side of the road looking for help. It was 2am in the dead middle of nowhere. My wife asked me to stop. We called him a tow and waited with him. Afterwords my wife commented that she would of kept driving had I not been there with a gun.

It's just a extra 2 pounds I wear that adds a lot of extra insurance to my (and the people around me) personal safety. My mom worked at a check payday loan place. Recently they had a string of robberies where one store called her saying two others in the area were robbed and to be on the lookout. She reached into her purse and got out of pistol and put it next to her. Had I not pressed her to get that permit when she decided to take that job she would not of had any means to defend herself short of quitting her job (which she eventually did when she finally found work back in her real field).

Plus, I think it helps reduce crime. I want the CC permit numbers and active CC people to be very high in my area. I want criminals to think about the ratio and give them pause. Finally, I don't want regrets in my life. I take active responsibility for my own actions and my own safety. If I am not willing and able to protect myself and others, then I have no buisess expecting others to do the same for me.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose


Your a high school teacher. From how the media here portrays America, aren't you more likely to be shot up at a high school? (like columbine)

Why do you need to carry a gun? Is crime in your area off the scale?

High school shootings are actually pretty uncommon in the US, contrary to how the media portrays it. Most shootings occur in the urban ghettos. Some people like to carry a gun just because they never know what's going to happen. Citizens have a right to have weapons here (of course, you have to register them and there are lots of laws/precautions). It's more common in some states than others; in the Southern states nearly everyone has a weapon, while in the North it's not as common.

Edit: Sourceninja, I would like to shake your hand.

 

[Pegun]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Fuck, america must be a scary place to live in. No offense.

America is no scarier than any other place I've visited. The idea of carrying concealed isn't necessarily about the things that could happen, its more about giving yourself another resource if something should happen. I have a concealed carry permit in my home state but I can not carry in NY. Instead, I keep a knife with me at all times as another tool. While people are often confused or scared when I pull out the knife for the first time, they get used to it and accept that it is a proper tool to carry in case the need arises. While carrying a pistol is less acceptable than a knife in some people's eyes, its the same idea.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Citizens have a right to have weapons here (of course, you have to register them and there are lots of laws/precautions).

FYI, as far as I know, there are only a handful of states/cities with mandatory gun registration, and usually it is only necessary if one chooses to carry a gun. Registration for ownership is an extreme exception, unless you count the record books maintained by FFLs. I only wanted to point this out since you said "of course" as if registration was a given.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: sourceninja
I carry every day and everywhere with the exception of my job. I work at a school, and the state law states that firearms are not allowed in classrooms. So my weapon stays home. I have considered keeping it in my office, but I'm afraid it may make my co-workers uncomfortable if they knew.

it is important to find a holster and position that is comfortable to you. I found that a IWB holster at the 4 o'clock position with my walther PPS (9mm) is how I like to carry in the summer. In the winter I carry OWB with my walther P99 (well used to be my SA XD9, but my wife just bought me a P99) again at the 4 o clock positon. I wear jackets and sweaters all winter, so I can hid the larger weapon and maintain the same comfort level. My requirement was that carrying a weapon should not force me to adjust my life. The PPS handles that. I'm not that guy who is forced to wear a jacket and jeans in the middle of summer. I can go out in shorts and a tshirt with my IWB holster and you will never see that pistol until I pull it. It sits right above my wallet, which is also convenient.

I find that with my walther at this position the firearm is invisible and I can't feel it. So I can walk, sqaut, bend, sit, etc with no issues. No one ever see's the weapon either. In fact yesterday after dinner my step-dad was asking me about getting a permit. He stated that he didn't like the fact that he could tell when people were carrying. So I told him about my walther. He told me I should bring it out sometime for him to check out. So I unholstered it and he was amazed that he had no idea I was carrying all night.

Your a high school teacher. From how the media here portrays America, aren't you more likely to be shot up at a high school? (like columbine)

Why do you need to carry a gun? Is crime in your area off the scale?

Actually, I work at a community college. Crime is variable. In a area where most people don't even lock there doors there was a string of carjackings. There are area's in town where I wouldn't go for a walk, and areas in town where I would let my children freely play (if I had children). Expectation of safety is no reason to not be prepared.

I am trained in multiple martial arts (I train for MMA currently) such as Judo (brown belt), Brazilian jiujitsu (Blue belt), krav maga, mauy thai, TKD(black belt), aikido and I personally think none of it is as useful as a few classes on using a firearm and a good carry pistol. If someone is armed, I'm not going to screw around and get knifed trying to stupid disarm that only works once out of 100 tries when my partner uses real resistance. I'm going to discreetly create space while pulling my pistol and putting 2 in his heart. I saved my life, potentially saved the lives of others, and saved the state a lot of money.

Carrying a weapon is not burden. I don't even know it's there. So there is no issue. It won't be drawn for illegal means (I'm not a criminal) and I live in a good area. So my own personal hope is that it is just an extra item on my belt that I never use. Just like the flashlight in my car, the spare tire, the fire extinguisher, the road flares, the first aid kit, my car and homeowners insurance, or the leatherman on my belt. The only difference is that I can't take any of those other safety measures to the range and have a day of relaxing fun with my friends.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Citizens have a right to have weapons here (of course, you have to register them and there are lots of laws/precautions).

FYI, as far as I know, there are only a handful of states/cities with mandatory gun registration, and usually it is only necessary if one chooses to carry a gun. Registration for ownership is an extreme exception, unless you count the record books maintained by FFLs. I only wanted to point this out since you said "of course" as if registration was a given.

Quoted for quotefail.

I really haven't read up on the different states' laws that much - I mainly know the laws of Massachusetts (my home state) and I know that it's very hard (if not impossible) to get a permit in Wisconsin (where I go to school).

I shouldn't have said registration per se, though - you really just need the proper permits/licenses.

 

[Sea Moose]

Thank you for the answer guys, i am not trying to undermine you in anyway. I am genuinely interested in this topic, and i am trying to understand, as there is such a major difference in thought from Aus to Usa(you guys have it in your constitution, we don't). I mean, if i wanted home protection i would get a rottweiler and a security alarm, or even a ka bar. I would never consider a gun.

If i wanted a gun, i would have to be a farmer or join a shooting club. Even then you have to store the ammo and weapon in separate approved lockers etc.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Citizens have a right to have weapons here (of course, you have to register them and there are lots of laws/precautions).

FYI, as far as I know, there are only a handful of states/cities with mandatory gun registration, and usually it is only necessary if one chooses to carry a gun. Registration for ownership is an extreme exception, unless you count the record books maintained by FFLs. I only wanted to point this out since you said "of course" as if registration was a given.

Quoted for quotefail.

I really haven't read up on the different states' laws that much - I mainly know the laws of Massachusetts (my home state) and I know that it's very hard (if not impossible) to get a permit in Wisconsin (where I go to school).

I actually wish it was harder to get a permit in Indiana where I live. I have a lifetime permit. I never have to renew it unless I move out of the state. The only requirements was that I fill out a paper form, get fingerprinted and pay them $75.00.

I firmly believe that safety and legal classes should be added as well as a proficiency test. I don't like thinking that any non-felon without mental problems can just carry a gun without an education on the law, the use, or the retention of their weapon or testing that he can actually hit what he aims at.

I took it upon myself to seek out training. I also highly stress to everyone who wants to carry that they do the same.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

I live in an area with hardly any crime, but I carry anyway - because I can. It is a case of rather having it and not needing it, than needing it and not having it. Same reason I own a fire extinguisher.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

I live in an area with hardly any crime, but I carry anyway - because I can. It is a case of rather having it and not needing it, than needing it and not having it. Same reason I own a fire extinguisher.

But if you carry a gun and not need it, isnt that simply overcompensating? I mean you dont discreetly carry a fire extinguisher under your coat in case of a fire, or a set of jumper leads to start someones car?

Its very strange to me that you choose to carry a gun, cause you can.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

I live in an area with hardly any crime, but I carry anyway - because I can. It is a case of rather having it and not needing it, than needing it and not having it. Same reason I own a fire extinguisher.

But if you carry a gun and not need it, isnt that simply overcompensating? I mean you dont discreetly carry a fire extinguisher under your coat in case of a fire, or a set of jumper leads to start someones car?

Its very strange to me that you choose to carry a gun, cause you can.

How do you know when you are going to need it?

Most people seriously just buy guns to feel like a little bad ass. I think it's so stupid and those are the dangerous ones.

While I wouldn't carry everyday (I can't bring a firearm to work and don't believe leaving one in my glovebox for anything but short term), I would carry concealed going to bad areas or traveling.

I wouldn't be bragging to everyone "HEY LOOK AT ME I HAVE A GUN AND IT'S LEGAL"...showing up at a party and getting a hug from someone that notices you have a gun strapped on sets the stage for you being outcast by most (unless you are hanging with a bunch of tweekers/gangbanger wannabes). It's just not 'cool' to most people.

I know some that never remove their gun and I am one of the few to ever know they are packing.

 

[ChanHo78]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Thank you for the answer guys, i am not trying to undermine you in anyway. I am genuinely interested in this topic, and i am trying to understand, as there is such a major difference in thought from Aus to Usa(you guys have it in your constitution, we don't). I mean, if i wanted home protection i would get a rottweiler and a security alarm, or even a ka bar. I would never consider a gun.

If i wanted a gun, i would have to be a farmer or join a shooting club. Even then you have to store the ammo and weapon in separate approved lockers etc.

Not everyone in America is like these guys... They take their guns everywhere because it makes them feel like big strong men. I think they are trying to make up for a shortcoming if you know what I mean. But hey its one of our rights so what can we do? Just hope they know how/when to use them.