Carry and conceal permit

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: ChanHo78

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Thank you for the answer guys, i am not trying to undermine you in anyway. I am genuinely interested in this topic, and i am trying to understand, as there is such a major difference in thought from Aus to Usa(you guys have it in your constitution, we don't). I mean, if i wanted home protection i would get a rottweiler and a security alarm, or even a ka bar. I would never consider a gun.

If i wanted a gun, i would have to be a farmer or join a shooting club. Even then you have to store the ammo and weapon in separate approved lockers etc.

Not everyone in America is like these guys... They take their guns everywhere because it makes them feel like big strong men. I think they are trying to make up for a shortcoming if you know what I mean. But hey its one of our rights so what can we do? Just hope they know how/when to use them.

I was kinda thinking this. I mean you carry a gun incase you need to kill a person? Fuck.
Like i said, if you use that logic you should also carry a pony bottle in case it floods, a fire extinguisher incase of fire etc etc.

I suppose you could justify carrying a gun if you have a daughter. Or if you live in a rough area. Or if you are a criminal doing drug deals.

 

[kage69]

I don't anymore simply because I have no need to. A mortally wounded deer on the side of the road can be put out of it's misery with a blade (something I've had to do more than once, sadly).

I know my gun is only a .380 ACP but its so small that it fits in no matter what i'm wearing and its invisible... I'd rather have that than exposure or awkwardness.

You know what they say: a .380 in the pocket is better than a .45 in the glove compartment!

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

For the same reason that I wear a seat belt when I'm in a car and have fire extinguishers and smoke detectors at my house. Having a firearm increases the likelihood that I will survive should an unlikely event occur.

As the saying goes, "it's better to have and not need, than to need and not have."

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Edit: one of my mates got held up at knife point by some Muslims a couple of years back... He owned them pretty good, by himself. They demanded his wallet, so he threw it on the ground in front of them, as soon as their eyes dropped he had them. He broke the firsts ones nose, to take him out of the game, then fought one on one with the second guy. My mate is in the army, so has some neat skills.

That's great.

But what about people without those "neat skills"? Do they not deserve to be able to defend themselves?

ZV

 

[Unheard]

I carry 100% of the time, minus showering and sleeping and places I am restricted from doing so. It's not cause it makes me feel like a big man. It's to protect myself in the event I ever need it. I'm a safe driver, yet I still have car insurance. It's about being prepared, not about trying to make an image of myself. I'd leave my gun at home, but a cop is too heavy to carry.

Just because you Aussies rolled over and turned in your guns doesn't mean I am going too. Just because people from the Northeast US are pussies for the most part, doesn't mean I'm going to be a pussy. Firearm ownership is a right. Regulation is unconstitutional, and some states are working to repeal the regulation that our scared gov't has put in place. My home state is one of the states doing this. We have just passed restaurant carry and park carry. We have declared that we are a sovereign state. We have many more bills that are in the working to bring freedom back to America. The freedom that our gov't has taken away.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
But if you carry a gun and not need it, isnt that simply overcompensating? I mean you dont discreetly carry a fire extinguisher under your coat in case of a fire, or a set of jumper leads to start someones car?

Its very strange to me that you choose to carry a gun, cause you can.

You don't know when/if you'll need it. It's simply not possible to state with certainty that a person won't need a firearm on a particular day.

Also, I do carry a set of jumper cables in each of my cars, as well as a fire extinguisher, road flares, and a first-aid kit.

ZV

 

[meltdown75]

got my glock to your dome
now yer goin home

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: Unheard
I carry 100% of the time, minus showering and sleeping and places I am restricted from doing so. It's not cause it makes me feel like a big man. It's to protect myself in the event I ever need it. I'm a safe driver, yet I still have car insurance. It's about being prepared, not about trying to make an image of myself. I'd leave my gun at home, but a cop is too heavy to carry.

Just because you Aussies rolled over and turned in your guns doesn't mean I am going too. Just because people from the Northeast US are pussies for the most part, doesn't mean I'm going to be a pussy. Firearm ownership is a right. Regulation is unconstitutional, and some states are working to repeal the regulation that our scared gov't has put in place. My home state is one of the states doing this. We have just passed restaurant carry and park carry. We have declared that we are a sovereign state. We have many more bills that are in the working to bring freedom back to America. The freedom that our gov't has taken away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant <--- This chap here was basically the reason for tight gun control in the land of Aus. I am not asking you guys to not carry guns, you live in a different culture/country to me. I don't understand the need. Your love for guns is deeply embedded in your culture and way of life. Our last prime minister was smart enough to bring in the strong gun control following martin bryants psychotic episode.

Aus is becoming Americanized more and more, and that was one trend that we do not want here.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

I live in an area with hardly any crime, but I carry anyway - because I can. It is a case of rather having it and not needing it, than needing it and not having it. Same reason I own a fire extinguisher.

But if you carry a gun and not need it, isnt that simply overcompensating? I mean you dont discreetly carry a fire extinguisher under your coat in case of a fire, or a set of jumper leads to start someones car?

Its very strange to me that you choose to carry a gun, cause you can.

i carry jumper cables, fire extinguisher and tools in my truck in case i need them. same as a jack and a spare in case i get a flat. i also carry a gun. i also carry a first aid kit. all tools to be prepared, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Gothgar]

I live in Kommiefornia, so no concealed carry for me... though, to be honest I haven't even applied for it, but I hear their approval rate is extremely low... like 1% or something stupid

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Unheard
I carry 100% of the time, minus showering and sleeping and places I am restricted from doing so. It's not cause it makes me feel like a big man. It's to protect myself in the event I ever need it. I'm a safe driver, yet I still have car insurance. It's about being prepared, not about trying to make an image of myself. I'd leave my gun at home, but a cop is too heavy to carry.

Just because you Aussies rolled over and turned in your guns doesn't mean I am going too. Just because people from the Northeast US are pussies for the most part, doesn't mean I'm going to be a pussy. Firearm ownership is a right. Regulation is unconstitutional, and some states are working to repeal the regulation that our scared gov't has put in place. My home state is one of the states doing this. We have just passed restaurant carry and park carry. We have declared that we are a sovereign state. We have many more bills that are in the working to bring freedom back to America. The freedom that our gov't has taken away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant <--- This chap here was basically the reason for tight gun control in the land of Aus. I am not asking you guys to not carry guns, you live in a different culture/country to me. I don't understand the need. Your love for guns is deeply embedded in your culture and way of life. Our last prime minister was smart enough to bring in the strong gun control following martin bryants psychotic episode.

Aus is becoming Americanized more and more, and that was one trend that we do not want here.

nah, youre just implying we are compensating for emotional control issues or small members. real good there. and the link is to a story of a sociopath, not a normal citizen carrying a gun. if 25% of that victim list had been carrying a gun, the list may have been a lot shorter.

 

[insect9]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
why the fuck do you guys need to be carrying guns in public?! Are you guys in law enforcement or overcompensating, or just live in shitty areas?

I live in an area with hardly any crime, but I carry anyway - because I can. It is a case of rather having it and not needing it, than needing it and not having it. Same reason I own a fire extinguisher.

But if you carry a gun and not need it, isnt that simply overcompensating? I mean you dont discreetly carry a fire extinguisher under your coat in case of a fire, or a set of jumper leads to start someones car?

Its very strange to me that you choose to carry a gun, cause you can.

A set of jumper cables or a fire extinguisher wouldn't have much use outside of my car, so that comparison doesn't make much sense. A lot of people keep those items in their trunks, however. Preparedness FTW.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Unheard
I carry 100% of the time, minus showering and sleeping and places I am restricted from doing so. It's not cause it makes me feel like a big man. It's to protect myself in the event I ever need it. I'm a safe driver, yet I still have car insurance. It's about being prepared, not about trying to make an image of myself. I'd leave my gun at home, but a cop is too heavy to carry.

Just because you Aussies rolled over and turned in your guns doesn't mean I am going too. Just because people from the Northeast US are pussies for the most part, doesn't mean I'm going to be a pussy. Firearm ownership is a right. Regulation is unconstitutional, and some states are working to repeal the regulation that our scared gov't has put in place. My home state is one of the states doing this. We have just passed restaurant carry and park carry. We have declared that we are a sovereign state. We have many more bills that are in the working to bring freedom back to America. The freedom that our gov't has taken away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant <--- This chap here was basically the reason for tight gun control in the land of Aus. I am not asking you guys to not carry guns, you live in a different culture/country to me. I don't understand the need. Your love for guns is deeply embedded in your culture and way of life. Our last prime minister was smart enough to bring in the strong gun control following martin bryants psychotic episode.

Aus is becoming Americanized more and more, and that was one trend that we do not want here.

If you can't grasp the concept of self preservation there is nothing anyone here can say to you.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Unheard
I carry 100% of the time, minus showering and sleeping and places I am restricted from doing so. It's not cause it makes me feel like a big man. It's to protect myself in the event I ever need it. I'm a safe driver, yet I still have car insurance. It's about being prepared, not about trying to make an image of myself. I'd leave my gun at home, but a cop is too heavy to carry.

Just because you Aussies rolled over and turned in your guns doesn't mean I am going too. Just because people from the Northeast US are pussies for the most part, doesn't mean I'm going to be a pussy. Firearm ownership is a right. Regulation is unconstitutional, and some states are working to repeal the regulation that our scared gov't has put in place. My home state is one of the states doing this. We have just passed restaurant carry and park carry. We have declared that we are a sovereign state. We have many more bills that are in the working to bring freedom back to America. The freedom that our gov't has taken away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant <--- This chap here was basically the reason for tight gun control in the land of Aus. I am not asking you guys to not carry guns, you live in a different culture/country to me. I don't understand the need. Your love for guns is deeply embedded in your culture and way of life. Our last prime minister was smart enough to bring in the strong gun control following martin bryants psychotic episode.

Aus is becoming Americanized more and more, and that was one trend that we do not want here.

Wow, I couldn't imagine living in a country like Australia where the only thing stopping average citizens from committing mass murder is gun control. Must be scary.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant <--- This chap here was basically the reason for tight gun control in the land of Aus. I am not asking you guys to not carry guns, you live in a different culture/country to me. I don't understand the need. Your love for guns is deeply embedded in your culture and way of life. Our last prime minister was smart enough to bring in the strong gun control following martin bryants psychotic episode.

Aus is becoming Americanized more and more, and that was one trend that we do not want here.

Guns are not embedded in our culture. Liberty and self-preservation are a basis of the American way of life. If there was a better tool for preserving one's life when in danger, we'd use it, too. Guns just happen to be the best tool for the job at the moment.

I also find it quite telling that despite your self-professed desire to learn about our interest in guns, you've already made up your mind that guns are bad and should be banned.

So, I must ask: Legalities of your country aside, if you are ever in a situation in which you genuinely fear for your life (say, a mad man enters your workplace and starts shooting), what would you consider to be a reasonable response? Do you have the right to respond with deadly force? Do you have the right to do anything within your abilities to save your life, or the lives of your coworkers?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Citizens have a right to have weapons here (of course, you have to register them and there are lots of laws/precautions).

FYI, as far as I know, there are only a handful of states/cities with mandatory gun registration, and usually it is only necessary if one chooses to carry a gun. Registration for ownership is an extreme exception, unless you count the record books maintained by FFLs. I only wanted to point this out since you said "of course" as if registration was a given.

Quoted for quotefail.

I really haven't read up on the different states' laws that much - I mainly know the laws of Massachusetts (my home state) and I know that it's very hard (if not impossible) to get a permit in Wisconsin (where I go to school).

I actually wish it was harder to get a permit in Indiana where I live. I have a lifetime permit. I never have to renew it unless I move out of the state. The only requirements was that I fill out a paper form, get fingerprinted and pay them $75.00.

I firmly believe that safety and legal classes should be added as well as a proficiency test. I don't like thinking that any non-felon without mental problems can just carry a gun without an education on the law, the use, or the retention of their weapon or testing that he can actually hit what he aims at.

I took it upon myself to seek out training. I also highly stress to everyone who wants to carry that they do the same.

Well it's one of those things were it's a right. You shouldn't be able to selectively apply a right. Either everyone gets it or no one gets it.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: ChanHo78

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Thank you for the answer guys, i am not trying to undermine you in anyway. I am genuinely interested in this topic, and i am trying to understand, as there is such a major difference in thought from Aus to Usa(you guys have it in your constitution, we don't). I mean, if i wanted home protection i would get a rottweiler and a security alarm, or even a ka bar. I would never consider a gun.

If i wanted a gun, i would have to be a farmer or join a shooting club. Even then you have to store the ammo and weapon in separate approved lockers etc.

Not everyone in America is like these guys... They take their guns everywhere because it makes them feel like big strong men. I think they are trying to make up for a shortcoming if you know what I mean. But hey its one of our rights so what can we do? Just hope they know how/when to use them.

I was kinda thinking this. I mean you carry a gun incase you need to kill a person? Fuck.
Like i said, if you use that logic you should also carry a pony bottle in case it floods, a fire extinguisher incase of fire etc etc.

I suppose you could justify carrying a gun if you have a daughter. Or if you live in a rough area. Or if you are a criminal doing drug deals.

Typical mantra of the anti- crowd. They think everything is to compensate for a small dick. And in trying to make this point they pussy foot around it and are to afraid to come out and say it.

Sea Moose, we don't carry guns incase we need to kill someone. We carry guns incase we need to stop someone from killing us. It really is an easy concept to understand IF you take your blinders off and can break the brainwashing of your politcal leaders that have told you guns are bad. Guns are not the problem. The asshole trying to take your watch pointing a gun at your head IS the problem.
You said your friend threw his wallet to the ground to distract his attackers, and then he beat them up. So you're OK with someone defending themselves, so why shouldn't they be able to defend themselves with the best option of surviving? If you think Krav Maga is the best martial art there is, actually talk to a Krav Maga expert or any other Martial Arts expert. They will all tell you the same thing. They'd rather have a gun than have to resort to a hand to hand confrontation. Because you just don't know what the other guy is going to bring to the fight.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: kage69
I don't anymore simply because I have no need to. A mortally wounded deer on the side of the road can be put out of it's misery with a blade (something I've had to do more than once, sadly).

I know my gun is only a .380 ACP but its so small that it fits in no matter what i'm wearing and its invisible... I'd rather have that than exposure or awkwardness.

You know what they say: a .380 in the pocket is better than a .45 in the glove compartment!

Well just keep this in the back of your mind. So when the day comes and you can't have that evil assault knife, those poor deer will have to suffer.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Citizens have a right to have weapons here (of course, you have to register them and there are lots of laws/precautions).

FYI, as far as I know, there are only a handful of states/cities with mandatory gun registration, and usually it is only necessary if one chooses to carry a gun. Registration for ownership is an extreme exception, unless you count the record books maintained by FFLs. I only wanted to point this out since you said "of course" as if registration was a given.

Quoted for quotefail.

I really haven't read up on the different states' laws that much - I mainly know the laws of Massachusetts (my home state) and I know that it's very hard (if not impossible) to get a permit in Wisconsin (where I go to school).

I shouldn't have said registration per se, though - you really just need the proper permits/licenses.

I didn't realize you were in Massachusetts. Taking that into consideration, your post makes more sense, since MA does have some of the most stringent gun control measures in the country. It is definitely not the norm.

And, as you mentioned, even MA does not have an official firearm registration procedure. Of course, considering the other requirements, the state does have de-facto firearm registration (for residents, anyway).

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: JD50


Wow, I couldn't imagine living in a country like Australia where the only thing stopping average citizens from committing mass murder is gun control. Must be scary.

If gun control is the only thing stopping mass murder in Aus, then there is a much deeper problem that needs to be addressed. As stating such implies that the majority of Aussies would commit mass murder if they had access to firearms. Talk about a scary place to live. Everyone wants you dead, thye just don't have the tool to do it with.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: JD50


Wow, I couldn't imagine living in a country like Australia where the only thing stopping average citizens from committing mass murder is gun control. Must be scary.

If gun control is the only thing stopping mass murder in Aus, then there is a much deeper problem that needs to be addressed. As stating such implies that the majority of Aussies would commit mass murder if they had access to firearms. Talk about a scary place to live. Everyone wants you dead, thye just don't have the tool to do it with.

Well, the only keeping many Americans from committing murder is a commandment in a book written 2,000 years ago.

Wait, wrong thread. I don't want to add any more fuel to the fire :evil:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: ChanHo78

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Thank you for the answer guys, i am not trying to undermine you in anyway. I am genuinely interested in this topic, and i am trying to understand, as there is such a major difference in thought from Aus to Usa(you guys have it in your constitution, we don't). I mean, if i wanted home protection i would get a rottweiler and a security alarm, or even a ka bar. I would never consider a gun.

If i wanted a gun, i would have to be a farmer or join a shooting club. Even then you have to store the ammo and weapon in separate approved lockers etc.

Not everyone in America is like these guys... They take their guns everywhere because it makes them feel like big strong men. I think they are trying to make up for a shortcoming if you know what I mean. But hey its one of our rights so what can we do? Just hope they know how/when to use them.

I was kinda thinking this. I mean you carry a gun incase you need to kill a person? Fuck.
Like i said, if you use that logic you should also carry a pony bottle in case it floods, a fire extinguisher incase of fire etc etc.

I suppose you could justify carrying a gun if you have a daughter. Or if you live in a rough area. Or if you are a criminal doing drug deals.

one carries a gun so they are not killed. Not so that they can kill people.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Citizens have a right to have weapons here (of course, you have to register them and there are lots of laws/precautions).

FYI, as far as I know, there are only a handful of states/cities with mandatory gun registration, and usually it is only necessary if one chooses to carry a gun. Registration for ownership is an extreme exception, unless you count the record books maintained by FFLs. I only wanted to point this out since you said "of course" as if registration was a given.

Quoted for quotefail.

I really haven't read up on the different states' laws that much - I mainly know the laws of Massachusetts (my home state) and I know that it's very hard (if not impossible) to get a permit in Wisconsin (where I go to school).

I actually wish it was harder to get a permit in Indiana where I live. I have a lifetime permit. I never have to renew it unless I move out of the state. The only requirements was that I fill out a paper form, get fingerprinted and pay them $75.00.

I firmly believe that safety and legal classes should be added as well as a proficiency test. I don't like thinking that any non-felon without mental problems can just carry a gun without an education on the law, the use, or the retention of their weapon or testing that he can actually hit what he aims at.

I took it upon myself to seek out training. I also highly stress to everyone who wants to carry that they do the same.

Well it's one of those things were it's a right. You shouldn't be able to selectively apply a right. Either everyone gets it or no one gets it.

While I can't argue the logic, I'd still much rather like to know that you actually know how to use a weapon before you carry it. We make people learn how to use a car before we let them drive it, and a car is not a implement designed for the expressed purpose of killing another person. A handgun is.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Citizens have a right to have weapons here (of course, you have to register them and there are lots of laws/precautions).

FYI, as far as I know, there are only a handful of states/cities with mandatory gun registration, and usually it is only necessary if one chooses to carry a gun. Registration for ownership is an extreme exception, unless you count the record books maintained by FFLs. I only wanted to point this out since you said "of course" as if registration was a given.

Quoted for quotefail.

I really haven't read up on the different states' laws that much - I mainly know the laws of Massachusetts (my home state) and I know that it's very hard (if not impossible) to get a permit in Wisconsin (where I go to school).

I actually wish it was harder to get a permit in Indiana where I live. I have a lifetime permit. I never have to renew it unless I move out of the state. The only requirements was that I fill out a paper form, get fingerprinted and pay them $75.00.

I firmly believe that safety and legal classes should be added as well as a proficiency test. I don't like thinking that any non-felon without mental problems can just carry a gun without an education on the law, the use, or the retention of their weapon or testing that he can actually hit what he aims at.

I took it upon myself to seek out training. I also highly stress to everyone who wants to carry that they do the same.

Well it's one of those things were it's a right. You shouldn't be able to selectively apply a right. Either everyone gets it or no one gets it.

While I can't argue the logic, I'd still much rather like to know that you actually know how to use a weapon before you carry it. We make people learn how to use a car before we let them drive it, and a car is not a implement designed for the expressed purpose of killing another person. A handgun is.

Driving a car is not a right, it is a privilege.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Citizens have a right to have weapons here (of course, you have to register them and there are lots of laws/precautions).

FYI, as far as I know, there are only a handful of states/cities with mandatory gun registration, and usually it is only necessary if one chooses to carry a gun. Registration for ownership is an extreme exception, unless you count the record books maintained by FFLs. I only wanted to point this out since you said "of course" as if registration was a given.

Quoted for quotefail.

I really haven't read up on the different states' laws that much - I mainly know the laws of Massachusetts (my home state) and I know that it's very hard (if not impossible) to get a permit in Wisconsin (where I go to school).

I actually wish it was harder to get a permit in Indiana where I live. I have a lifetime permit. I never have to renew it unless I move out of the state. The only requirements was that I fill out a paper form, get fingerprinted and pay them $75.00.

I firmly believe that safety and legal classes should be added as well as a proficiency test. I don't like thinking that any non-felon without mental problems can just carry a gun without an education on the law, the use, or the retention of their weapon or testing that he can actually hit what he aims at.

I took it upon myself to seek out training. I also highly stress to everyone who wants to carry that they do the same.

Well it's one of those things were it's a right. You shouldn't be able to selectively apply a right. Either everyone gets it or no one gets it.

While I can't argue the logic, I'd still much rather like to know that you actually know how to use a weapon before you carry it. We make people learn how to use a car before we let them drive it, and a car is not a implement designed for the expressed purpose of killing another person. A handgun is.

Yet cars kill more people. Maybe more regulation is needed there, eh?