Cat about to be declawed.... :(

[Canai]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
0roo0roo - do you know why all rescue/shelters and responsible breeders require their animals to be spayed/neutered?

All of my dogs are spayed/neutered. None of their personalities changed after the operation. And if it did, it's for the better. I don't have to worry that my male dog will go crazy if he senses a bitch in heat and try to break out of the house, etc to get to her. I also know that there are health benefits to having them spayed/neutered. And lastly, I don't have to worry that they'll add to the animal overpopulation where millions of dogs/cats are euthanized every year b/c people didn't spay/neuter their pets.

i'm not against either spay/neutering or declawing. i'm just against those who think its dandy to go on a moral crusade against the one they don't like. as for over population, yea it does put it into context. these people froth at the mouth over well cared for cats that lose their claws when millions of others are put to death.

Did you read anything I posted, or are you just dumb ? Declawing is mutilation that is completely unnecessary. Spaying/neutering lengthens and improves the life of the animals.

Why the fuck can't someone be for neutering (population control, quality of life, etc...) and against declawing (generally done by lazy owners who can't be bothered to trim their cats claws)

If you weren't a moran, you would have read that I am against declawing to prevent the cats from scratching. If there is a good reason to do it, then do it. But to keep the furniture safe, that's just fucking idiotic.

I just don't understand how you can't see the hypocrisy of your views. According to you, maiming an animal is fine, as long as there's no other alternative. Spay/neuter and declawing are both big procedures, it is not like a vasectomy or tubal ligation in humans, you are actually removing most/all of the reproductive organ. In terms of what's being done spay/neuter is much more serious than declawing IMO. The only reason neutering is so widely accepted is because the reason behind it is usually very altruistic: control the pet population so animals don't have to be needlessly euthanized.

But what bugs me is that, from your posts, I get the impression that your neutered cat is primarily or exclusively an indoor animal. You justify neutering by saying it controls population, but if it's an indoor cat who the hell is it going to mate with? Seems to me that the main reason behind neutering your cat is to prevent it from spraying and engaging in other activies of heat that are inconvenient for the owner. And yet you call people willing to declaw their cat lazy. Hmm...

Also, you mention there is no alternative to neutering, actually there is. If you are so against animals being maimed, yet can't live with them spraying, then your alternative is to not own a cat. It's that simple.

Neutering is NOT THE SAME as declawing. Get it?

My cat is not neutered to control population. My cat is neutered because it lengthens his life. My cat also spent the first year of his life running free with me on my dad's farm.

As for the bolded text: you are retarded. Show me a way to prevent a cat from spraying. I dare you. Even some neutered cats still spray. You can prevent a cat from scratching by spending five minutes a week trimming it's claws. Declawing is NOT necessary to fix the clawing problem. A little care from the owner is all that is needed. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT YET? Point out to me what doesn't make sense about this.

I am not being hyprocritical. Read the above paragraph. Read alkemyst's post.

One final time, and maybe it'll stick in some of your heads. Neutering is often viewed as a necessity in house pets. It is a common practice around the world, and improves the longevity and temperment of the animal. Declawing is officially in the US a last resort, according to the AVMA. It is viewed and prosecuted as animal cruelty in much of the rest of the civilized world. A simple, effective alternative to declawing is spending five minutes with your cat once a week, to trim it's claws. You can't trim the cat's nuts once a week. You can't train it not to fight other males, or refuse kitty sex. You can train a cat not to scratch. You can't train a cat not to spray.

See what I'm getting at? Neutering/spaying is the ONLY way to prevent a lot of health problems for your animals. Declawing is the cruelest way to stop your cat from scratching.

Declawing is more like debarking than neutering.

 

[frostedflakes]

You keep on pointing out organizations that claim it's inhumane and cruel, why don't you think for yourself. Like I mentioned before I've been around declawed cats and they were back on their feet in no time and have lived long, healthy lives. Therefore, based on my personal experiences it doesn't seem cruel at all. I guess that's where we differ, I base my opinion on what I've actually experienced, you base it on BS that animal rights organizations feed you.

Also, would you mind explaining how neutering lengthens an animals life? Sure, the risk of cancer is decreased, but I'm sure that's offset by the increased risk of infection, hemorrhage, etc. due to the operation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for spay/neuter, I think generally the advantages far outweigh the risks. I just want you to admit that you neutered your cat because you're too lazy to spend five minutes cleaning up their piss when they spray.

 

[alkemyst]

A few things on spay and neutering of an indoor animal that people that haven't owned one just can't understand.

A sexed animal during it's 'mating season' is going to be incredibly hard to keep from escaping.

Also intact males will spray and females will bleed on things in heat.

The problem with claws is even if you start at a kitten and keep them clipped most cat's instinct to groom their claws is stronger than training against it. What usually happens is they learn not to scratch one thing and then find another. Even without the hooks things like lace can be destroyed and leather can be damaged by jumps.

The whole declaw/inhumanity is promoted via the same information from about 4-6 sites that are against it. They list off countries where it's illegal but also include many that it's really not illegal...just not as popular. Also in almost all of the world declawing is not banned, just not considered the first approach to keeping a cat from scratching (and I can agree with that...however; I have also only seen a few cats that never 'scratch' at things and like I have said many declawed cats will still go through the motions).

Thing is unlike most of america many of those other countries are alot differently laid out in population and esp. driving ethic and it's not so bad to even have cats running around outdoors.

I have personally owned 7 cats of my own....growing up I had another 4 around me. There was not any difference in the cats that were clawed vs declawed that I could contribute to not having claws. Many websites will compare it to losing part of a finger, but that is so not like what it's like.

Also not all 'declaw' methods remove the claw...there is a procedure that just keeps them retracted (you have to keep them clipped to keep the animal's paw healthy).

However; IMHO if a person would only adopt a cat if they can have it declawed I say get that cat into a home. There are far more cats (and dogs) than those willing to own them.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Also, would you mind explaining how neutering lengthens an animals life? Sure, the risk of cancer is decreased, but I'm sure that's offset by the increased risk of infection, hemorrhage, etc. due to the operation.

Outside of the preventions of cancers, it also keeps them less prone to fights (assuming the dog is in mixed environment) and eliminates the stress of wanting to mate and being unable too.

Neutering surgical risks are possible, but an non-event really.

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
You keep on pointing out organizations that claim it's inhumane and cruel, why don't you think for yourself. Like I mentioned before I've been around declawed cats and they were back on their feet in no time and have lived long, healthy lives. Therefore, based on my personal experiences it doesn't seem cruel at all. I guess that's where we differ, I base my opinion on what I've actually experienced, you base it on BS that animal rights organizations feed you.

Also, would you mind explaining how neutering lengthens an animals life? Sure, the risk of cancer is decreased, but I'm sure that's offset by the increased risk of infection, hemorrhage, etc. due to the operation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for spay/neuter, I think generally the advantages far outweigh the risks. I just want you to admit that you neutered your cat because you're too lazy to spend five minutes cleaning up their piss when they spray.

I'm not agreeing with Canai, but what you say about cleaning up the piss and it taking 5min? It's not possible!......... Ahem....... It's Impossible! The only way to remove the smell, is to replace the padding and carpet. I don't care how much of that special spray for cat piss you spray on it, it 'aint comin' up. Trust me! It's going to smell for a LONG time! If you're lucky, it will soak through the padding and to the plywood flooring underneath.

When I first met my wife she had 2 cats and the house smelled of cat piss. She said it was from the cats spraying. Cats were fixed, put out on the porch, carpet and pad replaced, plywood floor treated and that was that. They stay on the new porch 80% of the time now. They only come in when someone is home.

For those of you with cats, here's what I bought for them when I moved into my new house. You see these in PetsMart, etc for an easy $400.++, but you can get these for under $200.00 on Fleabay. Paid $160. for the one in the pic. It's 6'8in tall and the Brand is ArmarKat. Don't buy from the webpage....... Better deal on Fleabay from same Co.
Cat Tree

 

[Deeko]

Canai, you are a sad and pathetic little man.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Canai, you are a sad and pathetic little man.

Seriously? You really think that just because he has a different opinion than you? That makes me LOL.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Canai, you are a sad and pathetic little man.

I'm done with this thread. It's like talking to a Christian about evolution.

In threads like these, smart people act like idiots, and idiots act like smart people.

Go ahead, maim your cats, I don't care. I'm just glad that OP made the right choice :thumbsup:

edit: well, I do care, but I can't do anything about it, and reading the same crap from half a dozen people gets old, fast.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Deeko
Canai, you are a sad and pathetic little man.

Seriously? You really think that just because he has a different opinion than you? That makes me LOL.

No, quite the opposite. I think it because everyone that disagrees with him he calls an idiot, a retard, lazy, or irresponsible.

Canai, stay up on that high horse. Keep maiming YOUR cat, because you don't want to clean up it's piss. Just another example of maiming an animal to make it a more suitable pet. Not that there's anything wrong with that...just with your attitude about it. Maybe if your cat hadn't clawed your brains out, you'd be able to understand that.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

I'll say this, I have 3 cats. The first was declawed by scalpal and I'd never have it done again. The cat looks pittiful hobbling around after its done.

The second cat the vet recommended I try the laser removal method and said it was much better. It was. To be honest the cat was up same day and acted as though nothing happened, same with the third.

So, in short scalpal is cruel but the laser doesnt bother them at all

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Deeko
Canai, you are a sad and pathetic little man.

Seriously? You really think that just because he has a different opinion than you? That makes me LOL.

No, quiet the opposite. I think it because everyone that disagrees with him he calls an idiot, a retard, lazy, or irresponsible.

Canai, stay up on that high horse. Keep maiming YOUR cat, because you don't want to clean up it's piss. Just another example of maiming an animal to make it a more suitable pet. Not that there's anything wrong with that...just with your attitude about it. Maybe if your cat hadn't clawed your brains out, you'd be able to understand that.

Oh, I know. I was playing devil's advocate.

I'm all for declawing if it suits the owner. But I've had fun in this thread regardless.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Deeko
Canai, you are a sad and pathetic little man.

Seriously? You really think that just because he has a different opinion than you? That makes me LOL.

No, quiet the opposite. I think it because everyone that disagrees with him he calls an idiot, a retard, lazy, or irresponsible.

Canai, stay up on that high horse. Keep maiming YOUR cat, because you don't want to clean up it's piss. Just another example of maiming an animal to make it a more suitable pet. Not that there's anything wrong with that...just with your attitude about it. Maybe if your cat hadn't clawed your brains out, you'd be able to understand that.

Read what I posted you idiot. My cat was an outdoor cat for the first year of his life. He stayed in the garage and barn at my dad's farm.

All this because I said that people who declaw their cats to prevent them from clawing the furniture are idiots :laugh:

It's so true

 

[Deeko]

Oh I read. I also read when you said your decision to neuter the cat had nothing to do with the cat breeding (which is actually the "morally" acceptable answer). I also read the multiple times that you whined about spraying. That cat really did do a number on your brain with his claws, huh? Can't even remember something you wrote, even when it's right in front of you!

You maimed your cat to make it a more acceptable pet (and for the CHANCE of a longer life, nothing assured there...which is also counteracted by the risks due to the procedure anyway). By YOUR logic, you are an idiot and a retard, you don't love your cat, and not ready to have a cat anyway.

I say it again....pathetic. Goodnight.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Is this really the end of the awful ATOT chapter known as "Declaw You, Declaw Me"? I think not.

Tune in later this evening as more insults are thrown between the meowing liberals and the hissing conservatives in what will surely turn out to be a battle of the century.

They say they're leaving the thread, but as we know...they never truly leave.

SmoochyTX will be on this story as it continues to unfold so don't forget to tune in tomorrow.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Is this really the end of the awful ATOT chapter known as "Declaw You, Declaw Me"? I think not.

Tune in later this evening as more insults are thrown between the meowing liberals and the hissing conservatives in what will surely turn out to be a battle of the century.

They say they're leaving the thread, but as we know...they never truly leave.

SmoochyTX will be on this story as it continues to unfold so don't forget to tune in tomorrow.

:laugh:

shit. I posted again

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Deeko
Canai, you are a sad and pathetic little man.

I'm done with this thread. It's like talking to a Christian about evolution.

In threads like these, smart people act like idiots, and idiots act like smart people.

Go ahead, maim your cats, I don't care. I'm just glad that OP made the right choice :thumbsup:

edit: well, I do care, but I can't do anything about it, and reading the same crap from half a dozen people gets old, fast.

funny you bring up christians and evolution canai.

anti declaw folks are very very much like rabid pro lifers.

and it comes down to this. you choose to own an animal for frivolous reasons that requires butchery of its genitals to make it a viable pet. its funny that you could consider that an ethical thing to perpetuate. no ones forcing you to own a cat.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Deeko
Canai, you are a sad and pathetic little man.

I'm done with this thread. It's like talking to a Christian about evolution.

In threads like these, smart people act like idiots, and idiots act like smart people.

Go ahead, maim your cats, I don't care. I'm just glad that OP made the right choice :thumbsup:

edit: well, I do care, but I can't do anything about it, and reading the same crap from half a dozen people gets old, fast.

funny you bring up christians and evolution canai.

anti declaw folks are very very much like rabid pro lifers.

and it comes down to this. you choose to own an animal for frivolous reasons that requires butchery of its genitals to make it a viable pet. its funny that you could consider that an ethical thing to perpetuate. no ones forcing you to own a cat.

YHPM

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Canai
Trim the claws like a responsible pet owner?

Declawing is maiming. Once a cat loses it's main weapons, it'll start to bite more.

I have to disagree.
My cat was only upset for the first week and he didnt bite at an increased frequency for the remaining 15 years of his life.

I agree its kind of cruel, but I dont condone domestic animals who would destroy my house. If you cant handle declawing, dont get a cat.

As for the rear claws, every vet I've talking with opposes removing them.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
You keep on pointing out organizations that claim it's inhumane and cruel, why don't you think for yourself. Like I mentioned before I've been around declawed cats and they were back on their feet in no time and have lived long, healthy lives. Therefore, based on my personal experiences it doesn't seem cruel at all. I guess that's where we differ, I base my opinion on what I've actually experienced, you base it on BS that animal rights organizations feed you.

Also, would you mind explaining how neutering lengthens an animals life? Sure, the risk of cancer is decreased, but I'm sure that's offset by the increased risk of infection, hemorrhage, etc. due to the operation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for spay/neuter, I think generally the advantages far outweigh the risks. I just want you to admit that you neutered your cat because you're too lazy to spend five minutes cleaning up their piss when they spray.

I'm not agreeing with Canai, but what you say about cleaning up the piss and it taking 5min? It's not possible!......... Ahem....... It's Impossible! The only way to remove the smell, is to replace the padding and carpet. I don't care how much of that special spray for cat piss you spray on it, it 'aint comin' up. Trust me! It's going to smell for a LONG time! If you're lucky, it will soak through the padding and to the plywood flooring underneath.

When I first met my wife she had 2 cats and the house smelled of cat piss. She said it was from the cats spraying. Cats were fixed, put out on the porch, carpet and pad replaced, plywood floor treated and that was that. They stay on the new porch 80% of the time now. They only come in when someone is home.

For those of you with cats, here's what I bought for them when I moved into my new house. You see these in PetsMart, etc for an easy $400.++, but you can get these for under $200.00 on Fleabay. Paid $160. for the one in the pic. It's 6'8in tall and the Brand is ArmarKat. Don't buy from the webpage....... Better deal on Fleabay from same Co.
Cat Tree

My sick cat (who was 'fixed') peed in my house which had carpet at the time and in my car during one of the trips to/from the animal hospital. Cat pee simply does not come our of carpet/padding. I tried every oder eliminator or cover up and it never went away until I had the carpet removed and sold the car.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Canai
Trim the claws like a responsible pet owner?

Declawing is maiming. Once a cat loses it's main weapons, it'll start to bite more.

First point is false second is MYTH!

 

[alkemyst]

I have come to the conclusion that people don't understand what maiming means, esp the ones using the declaw argument to apply to sex altering.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Canai
Trim the claws like a responsible pet owner?

Declawing is maiming. Once a cat loses it's main weapons, it'll start to bite more.

First point is false second is MYTH!

Totally agree. My cats have always been declawed and I've never had a cat I owned bite me other than when playing and that was only play biting - never a vicious bite. The funny thing is sometimes when grab his stomach he will wrap his front paws to hold then kick with his back paws. He also 'sharpens his claws' on the underside of the sofa table.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: maxster

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Wag
Hmm, I wonder if all the people who think it's OK to declaw a cat think it's ok to "debark" a dog?

That makes no sense.

He's talking about cutting out a part of the throat such that the dog can't bark anymore. Personally I never even heard of it until today.

What that person meant was the comparision makes no sense.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
Basically you are placing a higher value on an inanimate object than on a living breathing creature. This boils down to what has more value to you. The couch or the cat?

Wrong...you don't even comprehend the argument. It's about living happily together.

Not many of even the highest animal lovers could handle their furniture destroyed daily.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Canai


Well, I value my cat more than my furniture. Living things > inanimate objects.

You'd value an ant more than your couch? That's how I feel about your cat.