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Atrail

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Originally posted by: Riprorin

You call that a music career?

If he's opposed to terrorism but supports terrorists, it doesn't say much for his intelligence or judgement.

He sold over 25 million albums. That might qualify as a career...
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Atrail
Originally posted by: Riprorin

You call that a music career?

If he's opposed to terrorism but supports terrorists, it doesn't say much for his intelligence or judgement.

He sold over 25 million albums. That might qualify as a career...

How many albums has he made and how many performances has he done since he converted to Islam?


 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Atrail
Found the answer to my own question.

"He abandoned his music career in the late 1970s and changed his name after being persuaded by orthodox Muslim teachers that his lifestyle was forbidden by Islamic law."

He has been in the studio recently in the 90's
Him Elton and a bunch of other artists compiled a CD and sent all the proceeds the 9/11 families fund.
Such a terrorist .....

:roll:

You call that a music career?

If he's opposed to terrorism but supports terrorists, it doesn't say much for his intelligence or judgement.[/quote]

hmmm...sounds like something John Kerry would do!

 

Yo Ma Ma

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Terrorist Cat Stevens:

Morning has broken, like the first morning
Blackbird has spoken, like the first bird
Praise for the singing, praise for the morning
Praise for the springing fresh from the world

Sweet the rain's new fall, sunlit from heaven
Like the first dewfall, on the first grass
Praise for the sweetness of the wet garden
Sprung in completeness where his feet pass

Mine is the sunlight, mine is the morning
Born of the one light, eden saw play
Praise with elation, praise every morning
God's recreation of the new day

No wonder he is anathema to the neocons
Right.. you know he junked his entire music career after converting to Islam? I don't think the denial of entry was based on any of his old songs.


It seems Islam ruined his looks too, he looks like a beardy Paul Simon now, or something.
 

T2T III

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Yusuf Isam: Live ... Recorded at the Mecca.

Seems like a good title for an album to me. :Q

 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: Garuda
Cat Stevens has given money to Hamas, a terrorist organization. Also, he has - on record - supported the fatwa (Islamic death sentence issued by mullah) against Indian Muslim writer Salman Rushdie for writing a book critical of Islam. Salman Rushdie has since fled London and taken refuge in New York.

Those two things are not just two small little things on the checklist of "Potential troublemaker". They are two very large red flags. Cat Stevens has no business being in the U.S. He is an accessory terrorist and a very sick Islamic fanatic.
Additionally, some of "Cat's" money "may have ended up helping to fund blind sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, who was convicted for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing".

And he was denied entry? Well, damn, I hope so.
 

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The Liberal's only method of debate is to appeal to the emotions of mis-educated and illogical persons. Liberals seek to insult and discredit anyone who dares to disagree with them, especially in the college classroom. Why? Because the facts of logic and history do not support the agenda they are seeking to advance.

Wow, I know this is OT but this almost knocked me out of my chair with laughter. And here I thought the art of irony was dead. Bravo, sir!
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: Garuda
Cat Stevens has given money to Hamas, a terrorist organization. Also, he has - on record - supported the fatwa (Islamic death sentence issued by mullah) against Indian Muslim writer Salman Rushdie for writing a book critical of Islam. Salman Rushdie has since fled London and taken refuge in New York.

Those two things are not just two small little things on the checklist of "Potential troublemaker". They are two very large red flags. Cat Stevens has no business being in the U.S. He is an accessory terrorist and a very sick Islamic fanatic.
Additionally, some of "Cat's" money "may have ended up helping to fund blind sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, who was convicted for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing".

And he was denied entry? Well, damn, I hope so.

Shoot, he sounds like a stand up guy to me. Can't imagine why we wouldn't want to let him in. :roll:
 

GoPackGo

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The guy now is such a fraud...he no longer goes by the name "Cat Stevens" yet the media tries to portray thats who he is...that man is no more....he only tries to don that moniker when he is trying to raise more money for terrorism.
 

FelixDeCat

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"This decision was taken even though Queen's frontman Freddie Mercury was an outlandish gay icon. "

:laugh:

 

chess9

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Does someone have a link to support these allegations about CS giving money to Hamas? That would definitely put him on my sh*t list, for sure.

-Robert
 

CaptnKirk

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Of course not, it's the painting with a broad brush syndrome.

He gave money to Muslin Charities, they may have had money that was
diverted to some cause that was friendly with some 'aledged' Hamas friendly group.

Maybe - but not know, nor proven makes him guilty by inuendo.
 

CaptnKirk

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From Andy Borowitz - LA Times:

Hours after being refused entry into the U.S., 1970s recording star Cat Stevens lashed out at the government Wednesday, vowing to resume his recording career "immediately" as the ultimate act of revenge.

Appearing on the Arabic-language satellite TV channel Al Jazeera, a visibly angry Stevens ? now known by the name Yusuf Islam ? threatened to attack the United States with the full force of his insipid folk-rock music.

Brandishing an acoustic guitar, the erstwhile pop star warned that "no one in America would be safe from my insidious melodies" before launching into a spirited rendition of his 1971 hit "Peace Train."

A spokesman for the CIA said experts needed more time to study the chilling video but that it appeared to be authentic: "We do not believe that anyone but the real Cat Stevens remembers the lyrics to 'Peace Train.' "

On the campaign trail, Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry blasted President Bush for the Cat Stevens incident, saying Bush's reckless actions had resuscitated an irritating singer's long-dormant recording career.

"When George Bush took office, Cat Stevens was not a threat," Kerry told a rally in Akron, Ohio. "Through a successful policy of containment, his music had mainly been limited to classic rock stations. But now, thanks to George Bush's misguided decision to provoke Cat Stevens, we may be subjected to renditions of 'Morning Has Broken' and 'Moonshadow' and 'Wild World' for years to come."

Aides to Kerry passed out lyrics of songs by Stevens, including this one from 1970: "I wish I knew, I wish I knew; what makes me, me, and what makes you, you. It's just another point of view, ooo. A state of mind I'm going through."

For his part, Bush defended the decision, telling a Denver audience, "Cat Stevens is the first front in the war on terror, with Seals and Croft a close second."
 

Red Dawn

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In other news Travis Tritt was denied entrance into Yale for a one night show. Yale Authorities were quoted as saying "He is too fscking stupid to be allowed on campus". A spokesman for the President intervened by informing the Yale Authorities that this is a change in Yale Policy by noting that President Bush himself attended Yale.
 

chess9

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You two guys are TWO TWO MUCH! ROFLMAO!!!!

CNN has a little blurb on their web site. Apparently Israel also refused him permission to enter on pretty much the same grounds. I guess if you give to an Islamic charity that gives money to feed Palestinians starving in the West Bank, you are a terrorist.

If he gave money directly to Hamas that would another matter.

-Robert
 

dudleydocker

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
From Andy Borowitz - LA Times:

Hours after being refused entry into the U.S., 1970s recording star Cat Stevens lashed out at the government Wednesday, vowing to resume his recording career "immediately" as the ultimate act of revenge.

Appearing on the Arabic-language satellite TV channel Al Jazeera, a visibly angry Stevens ? now known by the name Yusuf Islam ? threatened to attack the United States with the full force of his insipid folk-rock music.

Brandishing an acoustic guitar, the erstwhile pop star warned that "no one in America would be safe from my insidious melodies" before launching into a spirited rendition of his 1971 hit "Peace Train."

A spokesman for the CIA said experts needed more time to study the chilling video but that it appeared to be authentic: "We do not believe that anyone but the real Cat Stevens remembers the lyrics to 'Peace Train.' "

On the campaign trail, Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry blasted President Bush for the Cat Stevens incident, saying Bush's reckless actions had resuscitated an irritating singer's long-dormant recording career.

"When George Bush took office, Cat Stevens was not a threat," Kerry told a rally in Akron, Ohio. "Through a successful policy of containment, his music had mainly been limited to classic rock stations. But now, thanks to George Bush's misguided decision to provoke Cat Stevens, we may be subjected to renditions of 'Morning Has Broken' and 'Moonshadow' and 'Wild World' for years to come."

Aides to Kerry passed out lyrics of songs by Stevens, including this one from 1970: "I wish I knew, I wish I knew; what makes me, me, and what makes you, you. It's just another point of view, ooo. A state of mind I'm going through."

For his part, Bush defended the decision, telling a Denver audience, "Cat Stevens is the first front in the war on terror, with Seals and Croft a close second."

TOO FUNNY!! I gotta check this columnist out.

Actually, I went to see Cat Stevens AND Seals & Crofts in '73 when I was in grade school. My "college activist" brother took me. I have most of Steven's vinyl and a couple of Seals & Crofts records too. they were into the B'hai faith, mentioned it during concerts, etc.

The chasing religion thing is too bad. I remember an pre-9/11 interview with him in which he said he wouldn't consider a comeback career. Maybe events of this week will change his mind.

Oh, by the way, "Morning Has Broken" is a Christian HYMN....not sure when written or by who...anybody know? Too lazy to look it up. Can't give Cat credit for that one
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: chess9
You two guys are TWO TWO MUCH! ROFLMAO!!!!

CNN has a little blurb on their web site. Apparently Israel also refused him permission to enter on pretty much the same grounds. I guess if you give to an Islamic charity that gives money to feed Palestinians starving in the West Bank, you are a terrorist.

If he gave money directly to Hamas that would another matter.

-Robert

Where's your evidence that Palestinians are "starving"? The Palestians own leader are to blame for their poverty.

Understanding Palestinian Poverty
AFP blames Israel for Palestinians' deep financial crisis, but facts point to criminal PA mismanagement as the real culprit.

On Sept. 7, Agence France-Presse released an article entitled 'Most Palestinians live in poverty, on two dollars a day.' Why are most Palestinians so tragically poor? The AFP reporter turns to a U.N. representative who blames Palestinian poverty on four sources:

Israel's blockade of the territories, destruction of assets [in Palestinian areas], expansion of Jewish settlements and the separation barrier.

Israel is thereby accused of complete responsibility for the unfortunate state of the Palestinian economy. The AFP report provides no dissenting voices, and Israel is not granted the right of response to any one of these serious allegations.

This article is not merely anti-Israel ? it's sloppy journalism at its worst.

AFP fails to acknowledge the mounds of evidence that while Israeli anti-terror policies have created some hardships, the primary reason for Palestinian poverty is irresponsible Palestinian leadership, whose embezzlement, diversion of funds to terror, and failure to invest in infrastructure have left the average Palestinian destitute.

HonestReporting encourages subscribers to write to AFP (contact@afp.com), using the documentation below.

MASSIVE AID DIVERTED TO TERRORISTS

Since the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993, the international community has shown unprecedented generosity toward Palestinians, donating approximately $5 billion to the Palestinian Authority. The World Bank noted recently that 'donor disbursements to the Palestinians currently amount to approximately $1 billion per year or $310 per person ? one of the highest per capita rates in the history of foreign assistance.' (By comparison, the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe after World War II provided $68 per year, in today's dollars, to Europeans.)

So where's all the money going? A recent, in-depth study from the independent Funding for Peace Coalition (FPC) found overwhelming evidence that 'European aid has not reached its intended target ? the Palestinian people. It has been diverted towards graft, terrorism and incitement to hatred.'

While direct PA payments to terror gangs (with Yassir Arafat's own signature as authorization) have been documented since 2002, the FPC continues to find a 'compelling connection' between EU aid and funding of Palestinian terror. Just one point of evidence cited by the FPC: An interview with PA officials and Fatah leaders on the BBC in November 2003 revealed that the PA had reimbursed $50,000 of monthly expenses to one of the deadliest terror groups, the Al-Aksa Martyrs' Brigades.

So the EU, now the single largest donor to the PA, literally contributes to keeping bands of terrorists on the PA payroll. Precious funds intended to ease Palestinian poverty are used instead for suicide bombs targeting Israeli civilians.

ARAFAT'S CORRUPTION

But checks to terrorists are small change compared to Yassir Arafat's record of personal theft. Over the course of his 'revolutionary' career, Arafat has siphoned off hundreds of millions of dollars of international aid money intended to reach the Palestinian people.

Estimates of the degree of Arafat's wealth differ, but are all staggering. Last year, Forbes magazine listed Arafat in its annual list of the wealthiest 'Kings, Queens and Despots,' with a fortune of 'at least $300 million.' Israeli and US officials estimate Arafat's personal holdings between $1-3 billion. Rachel Ehrenfeld, Director of the American Center for Democracy, arrives at a figure of $1.3 billion and laments:

This money is enough to a) feed 3 million Palestinians for 1 year, b) buy 1,000 mobile intensive care units, c) fund 10 hospitals for a decade, and d) would still leave $585 million to fund other social projects.

And while the average Palestinian barely subsists, Arafat's wife Suha (at left) in Paris receives $100,000 a month from PA sources, as reported on CBS' 60 Minutes. That CBS report also noted that Arafat maintains secret investments in a Ramallah-based Coca Cola plant, a Tunisian cellphone company, and venture capital funds in the U.S. and the Cayman Islands.

Arafat also uses foreign aid funds to pay off cronies who bolster his autocracy: A recent International Monetary Fund report indicates that upwards of 8% ($135 million) of the PA's annual budget is handed out by Arafat 'at his sole discretion.' The 2003 budget for Arafat's office, which totaled $734 million, was missing $34 million that Arafat had transferred to pay unidentified 'organizations' and 'individuals.' And Ehrenfeld notes that this IMF report 'did not take into account Arafat's control of 60 percent of the security apparatus budget, which leaves him with at least an additional $360 million per year to spend as he chooses.'

FAILURE TO INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE

Bringing the Palestinian people out of poverty would require building an infrastructure that is no longer utterly dependent on foreign aid and jobs in Israel. But almost none of the PA budget has been directed to this end. The situation is best summarized by Mohammad Dahlan, former PA Interior Minister, who recently told The Guardian that of all the funds donated to the Palestinian Authority, a total of $5 billion 'have gone down the drain, and we don't know to where.'

Education is one key to building a robust Palestinian economy. But Palestinian schools and universities are infested with terrorist ideology and incitement. This was the scene (at right) at a West Bank university's back-to-school day, earlier this week ? huge portraits of terrorist 'heros' hovered over students perusing new schoolbooks.

Why doesn't the PA allow foreign aid to promote a sustainable Palestinian future by removing such incitement and educating toward peace?

Other highly symbolic episodes: When an American convoy traveled to Gaza last year to interview potential Palestinian Fulbright scholars, it was blown up by local terrorists. And as documented by Palestinian Media Watch, $500,000 of USAid funds was used recently to build 'Martyr Salakh Khalaf Stadium.' Salakh Khalaf, better known as Abu Iyad, was head of the Black September terrorist organization, and was responsible for the murder of two American diplomats in Sudan in 1973, and the murder of 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972.

* * *

Yet Agence France-Presse ignores all of these points, relying instead on one dubious source to blame Palestinian poverty solely upon Israeli strictures. In truth, the primary reason for Palestinian poverty is the criminal failure of the Palestinian leadership to serve its own constituency ? despite massive international aid intended to promote precisely that goal.

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Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: chess9
You two guys are TWO TWO MUCH! ROFLMAO!!!!

CNN has a little blurb on their web site. Apparently Israel also refused him permission to enter on pretty much the same grounds. I guess if you give to an Islamic charity that gives money to feed Palestinians starving in the West Bank, you are a terrorist.

If he gave money directly to Hamas that would another matter.

-Robert

Where's your evidence that Palestinians are "starving"? The Palestians own leader are to blame for their poverty.

Understanding Palestinian Poverty
AFP blames Israel for Palestinians' deep financial crisis, but facts point to criminal PA mismanagement as the real culprit.

On Sept. 7, Agence France-Presse released an article entitled 'Most Palestinians live in poverty, on two dollars a day.' Why are most Palestinians so tragically poor? The AFP reporter turns to a U.N. representative who blames Palestinian poverty on four sources:

Israel's blockade of the territories, destruction of assets [in Palestinian areas], expansion of Jewish settlements and the separation barrier.

Israel is thereby accused of complete responsibility for the unfortunate state of the Palestinian economy. The AFP report provides no dissenting voices, and Israel is not granted the right of response to any one of these serious allegations.

This article is not merely anti-Israel ? it's sloppy journalism at its worst.

AFP fails to acknowledge the mounds of evidence that while Israeli anti-terror policies have created some hardships, the primary reason for Palestinian poverty is irresponsible Palestinian leadership, whose embezzlement, diversion of funds to terror, and failure to invest in infrastructure have left the average Palestinian destitute.

HonestReporting encourages subscribers to write to AFP (contact@afp.com), using the documentation below.

MASSIVE AID DIVERTED TO TERRORISTS

Since the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993, the international community has shown unprecedented generosity toward Palestinians, donating approximately $5 billion to the Palestinian Authority. The World Bank noted recently that 'donor disbursements to the Palestinians currently amount to approximately $1 billion per year or $310 per person ? one of the highest per capita rates in the history of foreign assistance.' (By comparison, the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe after World War II provided $68 per year, in today's dollars, to Europeans.)

So where's all the money going? A recent, in-depth study from the independent Funding for Peace Coalition (FPC) found overwhelming evidence that 'European aid has not reached its intended target ? the Palestinian people. It has been diverted towards graft, terrorism and incitement to hatred.'

While direct PA payments to terror gangs (with Yassir Arafat's own signature as authorization) have been documented since 2002, the FPC continues to find a 'compelling connection' between EU aid and funding of Palestinian terror. Just one point of evidence cited by the FPC: An interview with PA officials and Fatah leaders on the BBC in November 2003 revealed that the PA had reimbursed $50,000 of monthly expenses to one of the deadliest terror groups, the Al-Aksa Martyrs' Brigades.

So the EU, now the single largest donor to the PA, literally contributes to keeping bands of terrorists on the PA payroll. Precious funds intended to ease Palestinian poverty are used instead for suicide bombs targeting Israeli civilians.

ARAFAT'S CORRUPTION

But checks to terrorists are small change compared to Yassir Arafat's record of personal theft. Over the course of his 'revolutionary' career, Arafat has siphoned off hundreds of millions of dollars of international aid money intended to reach the Palestinian people.

Estimates of the degree of Arafat's wealth differ, but are all staggering. Last year, Forbes magazine listed Arafat in its annual list of the wealthiest 'Kings, Queens and Despots,' with a fortune of 'at least $300 million.' Israeli and US officials estimate Arafat's personal holdings between $1-3 billion. Rachel Ehrenfeld, Director of the American Center for Democracy, arrives at a figure of $1.3 billion and laments:

This money is enough to a) feed 3 million Palestinians for 1 year, b) buy 1,000 mobile intensive care units, c) fund 10 hospitals for a decade, and d) would still leave $585 million to fund other social projects.

And while the average Palestinian barely subsists, Arafat's wife Suha (at left) in Paris receives $100,000 a month from PA sources, as reported on CBS' 60 Minutes. That CBS report also noted that Arafat maintains secret investments in a Ramallah-based Coca Cola plant, a Tunisian cellphone company, and venture capital funds in the U.S. and the Cayman Islands.

Arafat also uses foreign aid funds to pay off cronies who bolster his autocracy: A recent International Monetary Fund report indicates that upwards of 8% ($135 million) of the PA's annual budget is handed out by Arafat 'at his sole discretion.' The 2003 budget for Arafat's office, which totaled $734 million, was missing $34 million that Arafat had transferred to pay unidentified 'organizations' and 'individuals.' And Ehrenfeld notes that this IMF report 'did not take into account Arafat's control of 60 percent of the security apparatus budget, which leaves him with at least an additional $360 million per year to spend as he chooses.'

FAILURE TO INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE

Bringing the Palestinian people out of poverty would require building an infrastructure that is no longer utterly dependent on foreign aid and jobs in Israel. But almost none of the PA budget has been directed to this end. The situation is best summarized by Mohammad Dahlan, former PA Interior Minister, who recently told The Guardian that of all the funds donated to the Palestinian Authority, a total of $5 billion 'have gone down the drain, and we don't know to where.'

Education is one key to building a robust Palestinian economy. But Palestinian schools and universities are infested with terrorist ideology and incitement. This was the scene (at right) at a West Bank university's back-to-school day, earlier this week ? huge portraits of terrorist 'heros' hovered over students perusing new schoolbooks.

Why doesn't the PA allow foreign aid to promote a sustainable Palestinian future by removing such incitement and educating toward peace?

Other highly symbolic episodes: When an American convoy traveled to Gaza last year to interview potential Palestinian Fulbright scholars, it was blown up by local terrorists. And as documented by Palestinian Media Watch, $500,000 of USAid funds was used recently to build 'Martyr Salakh Khalaf Stadium.' Salakh Khalaf, better known as Abu Iyad, was head of the Black September terrorist organization, and was responsible for the murder of two American diplomats in Sudan in 1973, and the murder of 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972.

* * *

Yet Agence France-Presse ignores all of these points, relying instead on one dubious source to blame Palestinian poverty solely upon Israeli strictures. In truth, the primary reason for Palestinian poverty is the criminal failure of the Palestinian leadership to serve its own constituency ? despite massive international aid intended to promote precisely that goal.

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By God we can end this corruption and hunger by letting the Palestinians die or maybe if they had their own state they'd turn their focus to getting rid of their leaders. Nah, that one wouldn't work any better there than here.

 

chess9

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Well, Rip, that's badly slanted, but some of it is true. Arafat is a louse and you won't get any disagreement from most of us about that.

Arafat made a big mistake not taking the offer he got from Israel back in, what, 1999? Then Sharon got elected and he tried to accept as I recall. A bit late and quite stupid. Clinton was that close to getting a half-way decent peace agreement. Now, it may be too late, but I hope not.

Anyway, you are entirely off point here. You've been sitting at the feet of HS too long. Besides, he has smelly feet and worse arguments.

I want someone to tell me what Cat Stevens actually did that was so bad. If they won't do that then he is presumed innocent as far as I'm concerned. Massad is just as untrustworthy as the CIA and maybe worse under Sharon. And that fact alone makes this world a very unsafe place.

-Robert
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: chess9
Well, Rip, that's badly slanted, but some of it is true. Arafat is a louse and you won't get any disagreement from most of us about that.

Arafat made a big mistake not taking the offer he got from Israel back in, what, 1999? Then Sharon got elected and he tried to accept as I recall. A bit late and quite stupid. Clinton was that close to getting a half-way decent peace agreement. Now, it may be too late, but I hope not.

Anyway, you are entirely off point here. You've been sitting at the feet of HS too long. Besides, he has smelly feet and worse arguments.

I want someone to tell me what Cat Stevens actually did that was so bad. If they won't do that then he is presumed innocent as far as I'm concerned. Massad is just as untrustworthy as the CIA and maybe worse under Sharon. And that fact alone makes this world a very unsafe place.

-Robert

When did Arafat try to accept the deal that offered him about 95% of what he wanted? I must have missed that. I do recall that the homicide bombings started shortly after he rejected the deal.
 
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