Catholocism = Christianity?

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Fritzo
OK, here's a copy and past from the Vatican's website (can't link for some reason):

You're still not 'getting' what I'm saying. Going to a website is still going to a human for answers. If you want the source, go to the source, the Bible.

I can make a website that says anything I want it to say. That doesn't mean it's correct, especially if I make a site that supports my own views. Quite the bias, no?

Please tell me, where do you get the idea that the Bible is the ultimate theological authority? Because, you know, the Bible is just a massive compilation of books, and there were many, many more of them out there around Christ's time.

In 382, the Catholic Church put together a list of all the divinely inspired books and set it as the official canon. This is your closest source? A book compiled by the Cathoic Church itself?

To make matters more complicated, during the Reformation, Protestants simply threw out various books of the Bible. Luther even tried to get rid of James, but didn't succeed.

So I'll ask again: why do you claim a book compiled by Catholics and later modified by Protestants to be the ultimate authority?

I was waiting for the whole "the Bible isn't the only holy book" argument.

Tell me, if God, in all his supremacy, were doing things like turning water into wine, parting the red sea, creating the friggin universe, don't you think that he'd be able do something as easy as preserving the Bible without letting it become corrupted? The Book of Mormon, the Koran, ad nauseum, aren't divinely inspired.

Sure he could, but how do you know that the Book of Mormon, Koran, etc are not what he has protected?

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: rickn
of course Catholics are Christians. lutherans, methodist, episcopal, baptist, mormon, etc etc all came AFTER Catholocism

Catholics came after Christians. They put their roots in Christianity, but aren't Christians. It's like saying Christians are Jews, since our roots are in Judaism. But we about as much like Jews as Catholics are like Christians.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Gurck

I don't crap in ipod threads, I generally give my opinion when asked, then defend myself against the deluge of attacks, generally written in AOLese, from the kiddies who can't tolerate someone not adoring Apple & the ipod.

Religion doesn't interest me in the least, nor do I follow it - why would I know various things about it? What can you tell me about womens fashion? Written Cantonese? Ukraine's GNP?

Your continued stalking is baffling and, truth be told, more than a little creepy. I'm beginning to get the feeling your insistence on my homosexuality is a case of projection. As such, I'll let you know that while I don't look down on it, I don't swing that way either.

Priceless. Just priceless. You really are touched, Gurck.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Religion doesn't interest me in the least, nor do I follow it - why would I know various things about it?

Not being interested in it and not knowing much about it doesn't seem to stop you from bashing religions and their followers in many threads in this forum.

But, like I've said dozens of times, those that have never read the Bible have no trouble entering a debate and claiming to know what they are talking about.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Priceless. Just priceless. You really are touched, Gurck.

I don't recall this, you find me while I was sleeping? ...:Q

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Gurck
Religion doesn't interest me in the least, nor do I follow it - why would I know various things about it?

Not being interested in it and not knowing much about it doesn't seem to stop you from bashing religions and their followers in many threads in this forum.

But, like I've said dozens of times, those that have never read the Bible have no trouble entering a debate and claiming to know what they are talking about.

Links? There's a big difference between bashing something and stating an unpopular opinion, it's unfortunate that so many posters here are unable to see this difference and want everyone to be just like them. Let's start with this thread, please quote me putting down a religion and its followers.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: rickn
of course Catholics are Christians. lutherans, methodist, episcopal, baptist, mormon, etc etc all came AFTER Catholocism

Catholics came after Christians. They put their roots in Christianity, but aren't Christians. It's like saying Christians are Jews, since our roots are in Judaism. But we about as much like Jews as Catholics are like Christians.

that guy will probably come back and say Catholics were never 'Jews'.

that whole post he made just guaranteed if there is a heaven we'd never see it.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: DonVito
Priceless. Just priceless. You really are touched, Gurck.

I don't recall this, you find me while I was sleeping? ...:Q

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Gurck
Religion doesn't interest me in the least, nor do I follow it - why would I know various things about it?

Not being interested in it and not knowing much about it doesn't seem to stop you from bashing religions and their followers in many threads in this forum.

But, like I've said dozens of times, those that have never read the Bible have no trouble entering a debate and claiming to know what they are talking about.

Links? There's a big difference between bashing something and stating an unpopular opinion, it's unfortunate that so many posters here are unable to see this difference and want everyone to be just like them. Let's start with this thread, please quote me putting down a religion and its followers.

I've not seen it in this thread. I haven't seen it recently (last few months) either.

I do recall (and no I don't have links handy) threads in the past were you made comments that anyone that believes in God is of lesser intelligence, or brainwashed, or gullible, or a mix of all three. You've made it very obvious that you think less of people that don't share your point of view on God's existence.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I do recall (and no I don't have links handy) threads in the past were you made comments that anyone that believes in God is of lesser intelligence, or brainwashed, or gullible, or a mix of all three. You've made it very obvious that you think less of people that don't share your point of view on God's existence.

Yeah, the uh, links like, got lost in the uh, mail... :roll:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I do recall (and no I don't have links handy) threads in the past were you made comments that anyone that believes in God is of lesser intelligence, or brainwashed, or gullible, or a mix of all three. You've made it very obvious that you think less of people that don't share your point of view on God's existence.

Yeah, the uh, links like, got lost in the uh, mail... :roll:

Originally posted by: Gurck
Religion doesn't interest me in the least, nor do I follow it - why would I know various things about it?

Look TROLL DEFINED.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I do recall (and no I don't have links handy) threads in the past were you made comments that anyone that believes in God is of lesser intelligence, or brainwashed, or gullible, or a mix of all three. You've made it very obvious that you think less of people that don't share your point of view on God's existence.

Yeah, the uh, links like, got lost in the uh, mail... :roll:

Call me lazy if you like, I'm not going to search through your 11,500 posts to find some that I recall from 2004.

If I'm wrong, great! If you've changed to being more understanding/respectful of others' beliefs that you disagree with, great! Either way, I'll stop this part of the thread since I'm not willing to dig for the proof.

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: DonVito
Priceless. Just priceless. You really are touched, Gurck.

I don't recall this, you find me while I was sleeping? ...:Q

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Gurck
Religion doesn't interest me in the least, nor do I follow it - why would I know various things about it?

Not being interested in it and not knowing much about it doesn't seem to stop you from bashing religions and their followers in many threads in this forum.

But, like I've said dozens of times, those that have never read the Bible have no trouble entering a debate and claiming to know what they are talking about.

Links? There's a big difference between bashing something and stating an unpopular opinion, it's unfortunate that so many posters here are unable to see this difference and want everyone to be just like them. Let's start with this thread, please quote me putting down a religion and its followers.

I've not seen it in this thread. I haven't seen it recently (last few months) either.

I do recall (and no I don't have links handy) threads in the past were you made comments that anyone that believes in God is of lesser intelligence, or brainwashed, or gullible, or a mix of all three. You've made it very obvious that you think less of people that don't share your point of view on God's existence.

I've seen some other lifers who time and time again pop in just to bash religion in threads relating to God or religions. I can't seem to recall Gurck doing it though, iPod bashings are aplenty :laugh: but I didn't recall one in religion thread.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Attrox
I've seen some other lifers who time and time again pop in just to bash religion in threads relating to God or religions. I can't seem to recall Gurck doing it though, iPod bashings are aplenty :laugh: but I didn't recall one in religion thread.

Let me refresh you then.

keep that crap out of OT please.

Ho boy, I done did upset that thar churchgoin dee-mo-graff-ick!

Seriously, if this garbage is allowed here...

Now all we need are more deists who can control their comments

Oh the irony

I disagree, reading it serves no purpose from an educational perspective unless one doesn't already understand the perspective of those who compiled all of those folk tales into the book.

And the snippet to end all snippets, an edit of one of Gurck's posts by a mod:

FYI Gurk this forum was created due to Religious post being made in the Technical Forums. If there is a right forum for this type of thread Off Topic is it.

Now please refrain from acting like a Moderator and let us take care of the forums, your help is not wanted or needed!

That's just a few from just one thread. I could go on, show even threads he himself started in spite of Christianity specifically, since his distaste is solely for the Christian faith, not religion itself.

I'm sure Gurck could carry on a meaningful discussion if he tried, but he often just doesn't try hard enough. No offense Gurck.

 

[Gurck]

keep that crap out of OT please.

Seriously, if this garbage is allowed here...

What's wrong with this? Proselytizing is crap/garbage/BS, and is what I was referring to.

Ho boy, I done did upset that thar churchgoin dee-mo-graff-ick!

Many people are religious without being churchgoers, actually the majority probably don't go aside from special occasions. I was speaking tongue-in-cheek and referring to those who were defending the conversion attempt in off topic.

Now all we need are more deists who can control their comments

I disagree, reading it serves no purpose from an educational perspective unless one doesn't already understand the perspective of those who compiled all of those folk tales into the book.

This is the truth, and doesn't put down religion.

And the snippet to end all snippets, an edit of one of Gurck's posts by a mod:

FYI Gurk this forum was created due to Religious post being made in the Technical Forums. If there is a right forum for this type of thread Off Topic is it.

Now please refrain from acting like a Moderator and let us take care of the forums, your help is not wanted or needed!

Lol, thanks, I didn't realize I had a mod comment in that thread

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Gurck

keep that crap out of OT please.

Seriously, if this garbage is allowed here...

What's wrong with this? Proselytizing is crap/garbage/BS, and is what I was referring to.

What's wrong with it was that it wasn't proselytizing, which everyone tried telling you, even the non-theists. You were the only person that thought that. If nobody else agrees, then the rule of just ignoring it applies.

Ho boy, I done did upset that thar churchgoin dee-mo-graff-ick!

Many people are religious without being churchgoers, actually the majority probably don't go aside from special occasions. I was speaking tongue-in-cheek and referring to those who were defending the conversion attempt in off topic.

And again, it wasn't a conversion attempt, it was a discussion of a book. Ever been in a book club?

I disagree, reading it serves no purpose from an educational perspective unless one doesn't already understand the perspective of those who compiled all of those folk tales into the book.

This is the truth, and doesn't put down religion.

Calling a history book folk tales isn't truth, and it does insult a few religions. It was inconsiderate of you to say that.

And the snippet to end all snippets, an edit of one of Gurck's posts by a mod:

FYI Gurk this forum was created due to Religious post being made in the Technical Forums. If there is a right forum for this type of thread Off Topic is it.

Now please refrain from acting like a Moderator and let us take care of the forums, your help is not wanted or needed!

Lol, thanks, I didn't realize I had a mod comment in that thread

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I hadn't noticed it either.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: rickn
of course Catholics are Christians. lutherans, methodist, episcopal, baptist, mormon, etc etc all came AFTER Catholocism

Catholics came after Christians. They put their roots in Christianity, but aren't Christians. It's like saying Christians are Jews, since our roots are in Judaism. But we about as much like Jews as Catholics are like Christians.

that guy will probably come back and say Catholics were never 'Jews'.

that whole post he made just guaranteed if there is a heaven we'd never see it.

Are you saying catholics were jews at one point? I've never heard of a jewish catholic

I don't know if I'll see heaven, but I sure won't be heading to hell.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: malak
What's wrong with it was that it wasn't proselytizing, which everyone tried telling you, even the non-theists. You were the only person that thought that. If nobody else agrees, then the rule of just ignoring it applies.

Whether or not it was proselytizing was gone over ad nauseum in that thread. Nobody changed anyone else's opinion on it, and I see no reason to continue the debate here. However, that isn't the issue at hand; I was calling what I believe(d) to be proselytizing "crap" and "garbage", not religion.

Calling a history book folk tales isn't truth, and it does insult a few religions. It was inconsiderate of you to say that.

We also went back & forth in that thread over whether or not the bible is a history book. Again, nobody's opinion changed, and again, I see no reason to rekindle it - especially in a seperate thread. It's too bad our belief systems overlap here; neither can state their belief without offending the other. It's also too bad that stating the Christian belief is "ok" because of strength in numbers while stating the opposite isn't.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Whether or not it was proselytizing was gone over ad nauseum in that thread. Nobody changed anyone else's opinion on it, and I see no reason to continue the debate here. However, that isn't the issue at hand; I was calling what I believe(d) to be proselytizing "crap" and "garbage", not religion.

The impression your remarks gave were that you felt the religion was garbage. Maybe you should be clearer with your posts, instead of the single line thread craps that filled that thread. Communication is key. I'm not into the mormon way of pushing religion either, but I wouldn't drop a turd in a thread the way you did.

We also went back & forth in that thread over whether or not the bible is a history book. Again, nobody's opinion changed, and again, I see no reason to rekindle it - especially in a seperate thread. It's too bad our belief systems overlap here; neither can state their belief without offending the other. It's also too bad that stating the Christian belief is "ok" because of strength in numbers while stating the opposite isn't.

All beliefs are mutually exclusive, no religion shakes hands with another. There will always be a difference in beliefs, but that doesn't mean we cannot communicate. All I ask is you try not to do one liners with insults, like I quoted.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Are you saying catholics were jews at one point? I've never heard of a jewish catholic

I don't know if I'll see heaven, but I sure won't be heading to hell.

you have heard of jewish christians though?

I don't think you really understand the history there.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Are you saying catholics were jews at one point? I've never heard of a jewish catholic

I don't know if I'll see heaven, but I sure won't be heading to hell.

you have heard of jewish christians though?

I don't think you really understand the history there.

There's no such thing as a Jewish Christian. The two "religions" teach very different things about Christ which are crucial to the fundamental, core principles of each "religion."

Messianic Jews are Jews that believe that Christ was the son of God, but "jew" refers to the race, not the religion. You cannot belong to two opposing forces at the same time. You either believe that Christ was the son of God or you don't.

 

[dornick]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: chrisms
I believe kinev and others are brining up moot points. The fact is that Catholics worship Jesus Christ as the lord and savior. Now you can get hung up on details which disagree with your own faith, such as the sacraments and the path which one must take to get to heaven, but both Protestants and Catholics believe Jesus is Christ...making them both Christian religions.

You need to take a step back from your own religious beliefs and the definition of what you think is a Christian, and see that from an objectice standpoint that Catholics are Christians.

Demons believe that Jesus is Christ. Are they Christians?

I agree that the question depends on your definition of Christian, though. Mine is following the teachings of Jesus and the Bible. This makes Protestants Christians and Catholics not.

This will probably be my last post in this thread. I am by no means a Catholic apologetics expert, so I really can't argue with you guys.

I just wanted to say one last time that Catholic doctrine is NOT unbiblical. And to plead again that you guys actually read some real Catholic literature. Like many anti-Catholics out there, I have a strong feeling you guys don't have a real understanding of the faith.

God Bless.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: dornick
I just wanted to say one last time that Catholic doctrine is NOT unbiblical. And to plead again that you guys actually read some real Catholic literature. Like many anti-Catholics out there, I have a strong feeling you guys don't have a real understanding of the faith.

God Bless.

Just because you SAY it's not unbiblical doesn't mean it magically changes, fixes itself, and becomes biblical. Catholic doctrine is NOT biblical and many have proven it in this thread.

 

[dornick]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: dornick
I just wanted to say one last time that Catholic doctrine is NOT unbiblical. And to plead again that you guys actually read some real Catholic literature. Like many anti-Catholics out there, I have a strong feeling you guys don't have a real understanding of the faith.

God Bless.

Just because you SAY it's not unbiblical doesn't mean it magically changes, fixes itself, and becomes biblical. Catholic doctrine is NOT biblical and many have proven it in this thread.

Everything presented in this thread has either been a severe distortion of real Catholicism or misunderstandings.

I'm going to say this one LAST time. Read some Catholic literature! When you're familiar with the REAL Catholic church, then we'll talk. I'm done.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: dornick
I just wanted to say one last time that Catholic doctrine is NOT unbiblical. And to plead again that you guys actually read some real Catholic literature. Like many anti-Catholics out there, I have a strong feeling you guys don't have a real understanding of the faith.

God Bless.

Just because you SAY it's not unbiblical doesn't mean it magically changes, fixes itself, and becomes biblical. Catholic doctrine is NOT biblical and many have proven it in this thread.

Everything presented in this thread has either been a severe distortion of real Catholicism or misunderstandings.

I'm going to say this one LAST time. Read some Catholic literature! When you're familiar with the REAL Catholic church, then we'll talk. I'm done.

That's kinda funny because most of us believe Catholicism to be a severe distortion of Christianity.

I refuse to read MORE Catholic literature. When the Catholic church starts following the teachings of Christ and stops molesting children, requiring money to pay for the absolve of sins, requiring prayer to or the worship of Mary, teaching that men have the power to absolve sin ("yoooo ahhh fohgeevin, my sonnnn..."), teaching that missing "mass" is a sin, stop teaching that this and that are sins when Jesus never mensioned anything about them being sins in his sermon on the mount (the new testament law) which by doing so is basically doing what the Jews did millenia ago by creating their own set of rules and saying that Christ somehow created these rules and hid them in the Bible somewhere, blah blah blah --when the Catholic church pulls it's head out of it's goddamn ass, THEN we'll talk.

 

[dornick]

Originally posted by: Nik
When the Catholic church starts following the teachings of Christ and stops molesting children, requiring money to pay for the absolve of sins, requiring prayer to or the worship of Mary, teaching that men have the power to absolve sin ("yoooo ahhh fohgeevin, my sonnnn..."), teaching that missing "mass" is a sin, stop teaching that this and that are sins when Jesus never mensioned anything about them being sins in his sermon on the mount (the new testament law) which by doing so is basically doing what the Jews did millenia ago by creating their own set of rules and saying that Christ somehow created these rules and hid them in the Bible somewhere, blah blah blah --when the Catholic church pulls it's head out of it's goddamn ass, THEN we'll talk.

When you're familiar with the REAL Catholic church, then we'll talk.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: Nik
When the Catholic church starts following the teachings of Christ and stops molesting children, requiring money to pay for the absolve of sins, requiring prayer to or the worship of Mary, teaching that men have the power to absolve sin ("yoooo ahhh fohgeevin, my sonnnn..."), teaching that missing "mass" is a sin, stop teaching that this and that are sins when Jesus never mensioned anything about them being sins in his sermon on the mount (the new testament law) which by doing so is basically doing what the Jews did millenia ago by creating their own set of rules and saying that Christ somehow created these rules and hid them in the Bible somewhere, blah blah blah --when the Catholic church pulls it's head out of it's goddamn ass, THEN we'll talk.

When you're familiar with the REAL Catholic church, then we'll talk.

When the Catholic church pulls it's head out of it's goddamn ass, THEN we'll talk

Do you really want to keep going in circles?